sanataniyodha
14 May 2013, 05:37 AM
In this long boring summer afternoon I decided to read a book about the ancient Indian History. I came across Edwin Bryant's "quest for the origin of vedic culture". It's a really good book and contains essays which briefly discusses the origins of the vedic cultures.
I would love to discuss with you guys the heavily distorted history of India and how to fix it. I will be mostly discussing the paradoxes proposed by the so called history of India written by the "great" western Indologists.
First let's start by Indus-saraswati culture as I like to call It Instead of Indus valley civ as it was mostly built around the long lost sarasvati river.
Based on satellite imagery and research, there is an apparent correlation between the dried up Saraswati river bed and most of the ‘Indus-Valley civilization’ archaeological sites.
So Let's come back to the rig veda -
"Saraswati is mentioned more than 60 times in the Rigveda. But, the Ganga gets only one mention – and that too, possibly a latter-day insertion. Saraswati, as the river is the “purest among the rivers, flowing from the mountains to the sea.” The sixth book of Rig Veda (6.61.2), describes the powerful Saraswati, in her course through the mountains, “slayeth the Paravatas.” In the Gritsamada verse (II.41.16), Saraswati is ambitame, naditame, devitame Saraswati. (“Saraswati, best of mothers, best river, best goddess.”).
As the river dried, Saraswati changed from being a river goddess to the goddess of learning, wisdom and music. Was it because most of the Indic texts and knowledge was composed along the banks of the Saraswati? Was the extinct river honoured by being elevated to ‘devi’ status!"
So After Drying up of the saraswati the People of IVC living along the saraswati basin had to leave their home. They have to either move toward the east (ganges plain) or west (punjab , baluchistan and afghanistan)
But we surely don't what happened to them.
Now the second phase- Coming of the beloved "Indo-europeans" or "Aryans".
Let's see Aryans were supposed to be the "semi-nomadic" and their culture to be proto-indo-iranian (wikipedia: There are strong linguistic and cultural similarities with the early Iranian Avesta, deriving from the Proto-Indo-Iranian times, often associated with the early Andronovo and Sintashta-Petrovka cultures of c. 2200 – 1600 BC) As the Aryans who composed the rig veda during the proto-indo-iranian time then their language must have been "unorganized" and pretty "proto" But lo and behold! one of the most archaic form of indo-european languages have most defined grammar. Grammar and structure good speech is the quality of a settled cultured civilization not that of a semi-nomadic culture.:cool1:
Dating of the rigveda- Most gora sahab's :p make the mistake of dating indic texts as they were composed during a span of few hundred years while indic texts were living documents, constantly updated. Moreover the vedas are known to be a single entity and ved vyas is credited to break them into rig, sama, yajur and atharva. There lies the problem. Vedas are dated according to western studies of comparative philology, according to them Rig veda is the most respected, then comes sama and yajur and then comes atharva. So it is foolish to consider the rig veda as the sole "most important" veda.
clay tablets from middle east ( Treaty between the Mittanis and Hittites) -In this treaty, Vedic Gods like Indra, Varuna, The Ashwini twins were invoked to bless and witness the treaty. The Hittites who had become past masters at treaties did not invoke these Gods with any other kingdom – except the Mittanis. This says that Hittites and Mittanis were both Indo-aryan with full presence in the middle east, this treaty was dated 1303 B.C considering the date of 1500 B.C for the "aryan invasion" and presence of Mitanni kingdom and Hittite kingdom in 1700 B.C leads to an undeniable paradox. If Indo-europeans came from pontic steppes entered punjab in 1500 BC, THEN composed the rigveda how do the Mitanni kingdom show full presence of Indic Gods? :headscratch: (wiki:"chariot-wielding Aryans appear in Mitanni by the 15th to 16th century BCE." -klejn and Brentjes)
I will post more later.
:feedback: I would love if anyone else would like to join me.
I would love to discuss with you guys the heavily distorted history of India and how to fix it. I will be mostly discussing the paradoxes proposed by the so called history of India written by the "great" western Indologists.
First let's start by Indus-saraswati culture as I like to call It Instead of Indus valley civ as it was mostly built around the long lost sarasvati river.
Based on satellite imagery and research, there is an apparent correlation between the dried up Saraswati river bed and most of the ‘Indus-Valley civilization’ archaeological sites.
So Let's come back to the rig veda -
"Saraswati is mentioned more than 60 times in the Rigveda. But, the Ganga gets only one mention – and that too, possibly a latter-day insertion. Saraswati, as the river is the “purest among the rivers, flowing from the mountains to the sea.” The sixth book of Rig Veda (6.61.2), describes the powerful Saraswati, in her course through the mountains, “slayeth the Paravatas.” In the Gritsamada verse (II.41.16), Saraswati is ambitame, naditame, devitame Saraswati. (“Saraswati, best of mothers, best river, best goddess.”).
As the river dried, Saraswati changed from being a river goddess to the goddess of learning, wisdom and music. Was it because most of the Indic texts and knowledge was composed along the banks of the Saraswati? Was the extinct river honoured by being elevated to ‘devi’ status!"
So After Drying up of the saraswati the People of IVC living along the saraswati basin had to leave their home. They have to either move toward the east (ganges plain) or west (punjab , baluchistan and afghanistan)
But we surely don't what happened to them.
Now the second phase- Coming of the beloved "Indo-europeans" or "Aryans".
Let's see Aryans were supposed to be the "semi-nomadic" and their culture to be proto-indo-iranian (wikipedia: There are strong linguistic and cultural similarities with the early Iranian Avesta, deriving from the Proto-Indo-Iranian times, often associated with the early Andronovo and Sintashta-Petrovka cultures of c. 2200 – 1600 BC) As the Aryans who composed the rig veda during the proto-indo-iranian time then their language must have been "unorganized" and pretty "proto" But lo and behold! one of the most archaic form of indo-european languages have most defined grammar. Grammar and structure good speech is the quality of a settled cultured civilization not that of a semi-nomadic culture.:cool1:
Dating of the rigveda- Most gora sahab's :p make the mistake of dating indic texts as they were composed during a span of few hundred years while indic texts were living documents, constantly updated. Moreover the vedas are known to be a single entity and ved vyas is credited to break them into rig, sama, yajur and atharva. There lies the problem. Vedas are dated according to western studies of comparative philology, according to them Rig veda is the most respected, then comes sama and yajur and then comes atharva. So it is foolish to consider the rig veda as the sole "most important" veda.
clay tablets from middle east ( Treaty between the Mittanis and Hittites) -In this treaty, Vedic Gods like Indra, Varuna, The Ashwini twins were invoked to bless and witness the treaty. The Hittites who had become past masters at treaties did not invoke these Gods with any other kingdom – except the Mittanis. This says that Hittites and Mittanis were both Indo-aryan with full presence in the middle east, this treaty was dated 1303 B.C considering the date of 1500 B.C for the "aryan invasion" and presence of Mitanni kingdom and Hittite kingdom in 1700 B.C leads to an undeniable paradox. If Indo-europeans came from pontic steppes entered punjab in 1500 BC, THEN composed the rigveda how do the Mitanni kingdom show full presence of Indic Gods? :headscratch: (wiki:"chariot-wielding Aryans appear in Mitanni by the 15th to 16th century BCE." -klejn and Brentjes)
I will post more later.
:feedback: I would love if anyone else would like to join me.