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hinduism♥krishna
22 June 2013, 09:22 PM
I want to know is there any bhagavat puran except that of iskcon ?

Iskcon has changed the meaning of many verses . They are trying to teach gaudiya vaishnwas philosophy in bhagavatam and hiding actual philosophy written in bhagavatam . If we read accurate translated bhagavata verses, we get what advaita says.

So anybody have original bhagavat puran ebook ?

Hari Krishna ...

smaranam
24 June 2013, 11:39 PM
praNAm

There is Bhagvat PurAN in 2 volumes only, including Mahatmya, pArAyaN details and Bhagvat Arati by

Gita Press, GorakhpUr.

It is definitely available in Hindi and Marathi,
and perhaps Gujrathi plus other languages.

It does not have purports or sanskrit break-up (translitration), just translations, but they would be just perfect for you is what i feel.

I have the set in Marathi. It is good. You will like it.

The authors say it is more than translation - it is bhAvArtha, but i find it consistent. Also, it is enough for those with an Indian language as mother-tongue and familiar with some Sanskrit, to map the shloka to the translation and check for themselves.

My neighbour has another one in 16 volumes - in continuous story form with verse transliteration in appendix. However, they are not as balanced as Gita Press. The panel of authors have induced their own bias into the narration, and in addition, have translated Bramhan as BramhA sometimes !

(My last post on the "Shrimad Bhagvat says..." thread has English translations of the Gita Press translation. Hence highlighting key words in red.)

_/\_

om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya

hinduism♥krishna
25 June 2013, 03:35 AM
praNAm

There is Bhagvat PurAN in 2 volumes only, including Mahatmya, pArAyaN details and Bhagvat Arati by

Gita Press, GorakhpUr.

It is definitely available in Hindi and Marathi,
and perhaps Gujrathi plus other languages.

It does not have purports or sanskrit break-up (translitration), just translations, but they would be just perfect for you is what i feel.

I have the set in Marathi. It is good. You will like it.

The authors say it is more than translation - it is bhAvArtha, but i find it consistent. Also, it is enough for those with an Indian language as mother-tongue and familiar with some Sanskrit, to map the shloka to the translation and check for themselves.

My neighbour has another one in 16 volumes - in continuous story form with verse transliteration in appendix. However, they are not as balanced as Gita Press. The panel of authors have induced their own bias into the narration, and in addition, have translated Bramhan as BramhA sometimes !

(My last post on the "Shrimad Bhagvat says..." thread has English translations of the Gita Press translation. Hence highlighting key words in red.)

_/\_

om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya

thanks for giving info.

Namste.shri hari
If you don't mind can you send me that ebook ? My mothertounge is marathi.So i want bhavat purana in hindi or marathi with accurate translation.

Or help me where to download bhagavat ebook from gitapress ?

I hope u will help me.

Jai shri hari govinda !!!!

smaranam
26 June 2013, 04:27 AM
thanks for giving info.

Namste.shri hari
If you don't mind can you send me that ebook ? My mothertounge is marathi.So i want bhavat purana in hindi or marathi with accurate translation.

Or help me where to download bhagavat ebook from gitapress ?

I hope u will help me.

Jai shri hari govinda !!!!

Hari Govind! Certainly.

Here is the Gita Press Bhagvat in e-book form http://www.4shared.com/office/JFSr6Nt2/Bhagvat_Purana_-_Unabridged_-_.html
It is also available on scribd http://www.scribd.com/doc/35909233/Bhagwat-Puran-In-Hindi. but NO SANSKRIT SHLOKA.
Please also see this HDF thread (http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=10090)in this subforum (puranas) by Omkar. He has compiled a huge library of all shAstra (scriptures).

I have the hard copy - the 2-volume set of Sanskrit Shloka and Marathi translation-bhAvArtha. I looked up the Gita Press Website (http://www.gitapress.org/Puran.asp?pagenum=20)
and they are selling the hard copy (pl. see 3rd book in list), but they don't have an e-book for bhagvat on the site itself.

Anyhow, following is a compilation of hyperlinks to various PDF downloads of Gita, purans, Ved, itihas by other publishers. (Most of these will not have the original shlokas in sanskrit).

Before going to the numerous links, i recommend buying the hard copy considering the price.
* It is just 2 volumes, portable, and easy for study as well as pArAyaN.
* It costs Rs. 400 on the Gita Press site and Rs. 300 as of today at Nerlekar's Book Store opposite Dagdusheth Halwai Ganapati Mandir, Appa Balwant Chauk, Pune (if you ever happen to be there). I am sure dharmic book stores in your area will do the same. The price was Rs. 250 two yrs ago, and will go up and up so grab it.
Compare with multi-volume Bhagvat grantha costing thousands of rupees.


OK here is our list of PDFs by other (unknown) authors/publications - may include Gita Press:

All Ved, Puran, itihas, Gita (Hindi):
http://vedpuran.net/download-all-ved-and-puran-pdf-hindi-free/

Bhagvat audio in Hindi (and others) : http://shivrudrabhishek.com/Music-Bhagwat-Maha-Puran-Hindi.php

Multiple puran, itihas and other jewels (Vidur niti, Chanakya niti, Manu smriti, books by Ramsukhdas ji, Gita Press books, PrabhupAd's books, Nitaiveda and vedabase links )
http://singhal.50webs.com/books.htm


_/\_ at your service.

om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya

hinduism♥krishna
26 June 2013, 06:53 AM
Hari Govind! Certainly.

Here is the Gita Press Bhagvat in e-book form http://www.4shared.com/office/JFSr6Nt2/Bhagvat_Purana_-_Unabridged_-_.html
It is also available on scribd http://www.scribd.com/doc/35909233/Bhagwat-Puran-In-Hindi. but NO SANSKRIT SHLOKA.
Please also see this HDF thread (http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=10090)in this subforum (puranas) by Omkar. He has compiled a huge library of all shAstra (scriptures).

I have the hard copy - the 2-volume set of Sanskrit Shloka and Marathi translation-bhAvArtha. I looked up the Gita Press Website (http://www.gitapress.org/Puran.asp?pagenum=20)
and they are selling the hard copy for Rs. 200 per volume (pl. see 3rd book in list), but they don't have an e-book for bhagvat on the site itself.

Anyhow, following is a compilation of hyperlinks to various free PDF downloads of Gita, purans, Ved, itihas by other publishers. (Most of these will not have the original shlokas in sanskrit).

Before going to the numerous links, i recommend buying the hard copy considering the price.
* It is just 2 volumes, portable, and easy for study as well as pArAyaN.
* It costs Rs. 400 on the Gita Press site and Rs. 300 as of today at Nerlekar's Book Store opposite Dagdusheth Halwai Ganapati Mandir, Appa Balwant Chauk, Pune (if you ever happen to be there). I am sure dharmic book stores in your area will do the same. The price was Rs. 250 two yrs ago, and will go up and up so grab it.
Compare with multi-volume Bhagvat grantha costing tens of thousands of rupees.


OK here is our list of PDFs by other (unknown) authors/publications - may include Gita Press:

All Ved, Puran, itihas, Gita (Hindi):
http://vedpuran.net/download-all-ved-and-puran-pdf-hindi-free/

Bhagvat audio in Hindi (and others) : http://shivrudrabhishek.com/Music-Bhagwat-Maha-Puran-Hindi.php

All Ved, Puran, itihas, Gita (Hindi):
http://www.rajkot4g.com/2012/07/download-all-ved-and-puran-pdf-hindi.html#!/2012/07/download-all-ved-and-puran-pdf-hindi.html

Multiple puran, itihas and other jewels (Vidur niti, Chanakya niti, Manu smriti, books by Ramsukhdas ji, Gita Press books, PrabhupAd's books, Nitaiveda and vedabase links )
http://singhal.50webs.com/books.htm


_/\_ at your service.

om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya

thank you sooooo much for giving me such useful info


jai shri hari govinda

Amrut
26 June 2013, 10:18 AM
thanks for giving info.

Namste.shri hari
If you don't mind can you send me that ebook ? My mothertounge is marathi.So i want bhavat purana in hindi or marathi with accurate translation.

Or help me where to download bhagavat ebook from gitapress ?

I hope u will help me.

Jai shri hari govinda !!!!

Namaste,

Have you tried Shri Dongre Maharaj's Bhagavat. I do not know if online copy. Better have a hard copy.

Ask in R R Sheth, they may have it.

Mumbai branch no:
022-2201 3441
022-2205 8293

Ahmedabad branch no:
079-2550 6573
Fax: 079-2550 1732

Ask for full bhagavat and not concise or bhagavat sara

If you want it to be written by an advaitin, I saw a copy of Bhagavatam in English by Shri S. N. Shastri in Central Chinmaya mission, Powai

022-2857 2367

If you want in Hindi try

Karam Singh Amar Singh, Haridwar,

01334-225619
01334-313200

Note: Though nothing much has been said about haridwar, keeping mind mind current situation in Uttarakhand, enquire about books and may be later on buy them after things are back to normal.

Another one is a commentary written by Shri Sreedhar Swami

Gita Press do have Bhagavat in Marathi. I have a list in which Marathi Version is mentioned, but is not clarified that it is only marathi or Sanskrit - Marathi.

Good Luck

Aum

Smaranam ji Jai Shri Krishna :)

smaranam
27 June 2013, 03:01 AM
Jai Shri KRshNa, Amrutji.

Dongre Maharaj's BhAgvat did cross my mind. It is exceptionally popular in Maharashtra and Gujarath. Most people i know have it in continous story form.

Yes, the Gita Press one is Sanskrit-Marathi of course, otherwise i wouldn't buy it.

Shreedhar Swami's commentary was popular at Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's time and He supported it when someone opposed it.

_/\_

om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya

Ra K Sankar
27 June 2013, 05:30 AM
Namaste

True original Srimad Bhagawatham Sanskrit text was translated faithfully into classical English matching the original classical Sanskrit by Swami Tapasyananda of the Sri Ramakrishna Mission, the then Vice-President of the Sri Ramakrishna Order. There are 4 volumes (yellow colour cover way back in the 1980s) costing Rs 100 each. Guaranteed wonderful original reading in English.

Regards
Ra K Sankar

hinduism♥krishna
27 June 2013, 06:51 AM
:) shri hari govinda ! thank youso much all of you .

hinduism♥krishna
27 June 2013, 07:01 AM
Bhagavatam would be much better if it has accurate translation of sanskrit texts without commentry rather than interpreting according to sectarian believes . I read iskcons bhagavatam .But I am not satisfied with it. In that bhagavatam even if original sanskrit verse wants to say shri krishna is atma of all jivas , Iskcon translates it as shri krishna is paramatma situated with jiva. They don't consider unity of Atma and Bramhan which is indeed the essence of all shastras.

They give more importance to differ between atma and paramatma. Besides it has extra words in many verses. In short, most verses of Iskcon's Bhagavata are biased and misinterpreted.

So I want pure bhagavata as it should be.

Thank you !

philosoraptor
27 June 2013, 07:47 AM
i want to know is there any bhagavat puran except that of iskcon?

iskcon has changed the meaning of many verses . they are trying to force gaudiya vaishnwas philosophy in bhagavatam and hiding actual philosophy written in bhagavatam.

so anybody have original bhagavat puran ebook? help me.

Almost any translation you read is going to be slanted towards the views of the translator. That's true of almost any Sanskrit scripture translated into English. This is partly because many terms in Sanskrit have multiple dictionary meanings, and some interpretation which considers the context is going to be required in order to produce a translation that is understandable to the reader. It is the translator's responsibility in my opinion to show why he translates in the way he does, and why alternate meanings are less satisfactory. This is the essence of good commentary.

If you want the original, you would be better off reading it in Sanskrit. Failing that, the best thing you can do is compare and contrast different translations and appreciate their different strengths and weaknesses.

hinduism♥krishna
27 June 2013, 09:19 AM
Almost any translation you read is going to be slanted towards the views of the translator. That's true of almost any Sanskrit scripture translated into English. This is partly because many terms in Sanskrit have multiple dictionary meanisome interpretation which considers the context is going to be required in order to produce a translation that is understandable to the reader. It is the translator's responsibility in my opinion to show why he translates in the way he does, and why alternate meanings are less satisfactory. This is the essence of good commentary.

If you want the original, you would be better off reading it in Sanskrit. Failing that, the best thing you can do is compare and contrast different translations and appreciate their different strengths and weaknesses.
You r right But iskcons commentry is not acceptable by all . That is not according to vedas. Veda's final aim is oneness of atma and bramha . But iskcon doesnt accept oneness of atma and bramhan.That's the big problem !

philosoraptor
27 June 2013, 08:19 PM
But iskcons commentry is worst . That is not according to vedas. Vedas and bhagavatas final aim is oneness of jiva and bramha . But iskcon doesnt accept oneness of atma and bramhan. So that commentry is totally nonvedic.
One should read bhagava purana which is focussing on devotion to hari and oneness of jiva and supreme bramhan.
Iskcon bhagavatam says bramha paramatma and bhagavan are different
But original bhagavat says they are one and only one.

I hate to break this to you, but the Advaitic concept of "oneness" of jiva and brahman isn't based on the veda-s, either. Nor will you find such a concept in the bhAgavatam. There really isn't any controversy here. The bhAgavatam is not an Advaitic text, period. Taken as a whole, the bhAgavatam, like the upaniShad-s clearly endorses a kind of qualified oneness and difference between jIva-s and brahman. Their conclusions are quite consistent with those of the bhagavad-gItA and viShNu purANa-s also.

Anyway, it looks like you have decided what the conclusion is, and now just want to find the translation that seems to authenticate your bias. I don't find any real difference between your preference for a "oneness" translation and an ISKCON devotee's preference for, well, the ISKCON translation. But best of luck in your search!

Amrut
28 June 2013, 12:42 AM
But iskcons commentry is worst . That is not according to vedas. Vedas and bhagavatas final aim is oneness of jiva and bramha . But iskcon doesnt accept oneness of atma and bramhan. So that commentry is totally nonvedic.
One should read bhagava purana which is focussing on devotion to hari and oneness of jiva and supreme bramhan.
Iskcon bhagavatam says bramha paramatma and bhagavan are different
But original bhagavat says they are one and only one.

Namaste,

I think you need to read copies outside Vaishnav tradition, as almost all Vaishnav will not agree with Advaita, needless to say that they try to disqualify Advaita as vedic.

This fight will go on like dev-asura fight. Better not to start this debate nonsense debate as none will change their paths :) - outcome will be nothing but waste of time, swelling / hurting of ego. HDF has seen this saga. The experience has not been pleasant.

As a friend, I request you not to hate any path or faith, as actually, you are feeding your negative qualities.

Aum

Amrut

hinduism♥krishna
28 June 2013, 01:57 AM
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smaranam
28 June 2013, 07:13 AM
Namaste


Bhagavatam should be as per accurate translation of sanskrit texts...
So i want pure bhagavata as it should be.


Almost any translation you read is going to be slanted towards the views of the translator.

1. Shrimad BhAgvatam is about 2 things
a) TattvadnyAna (philosophical knowledge of the Absolute Truth in accordance with Veda-VedAnta)
b) Bhakti Yoga, bhakti ras (in accordance with Veda-VedAnta), process, means, ideals and examples of devotion towards the Lotus Feet of the Supreme Lord, BhagavAn Shri KRshNa Hari Govind NArAyaNa HRshikesh MadhusUdana.

2. VaishNav AchAryas will elaborate on jivAtmA-paramAtmA interaction as otherwise it will leave no scope for bhakti for most except inherent bhAgvats. The bhakti shlokas are their jewels. So they add things like "individual soul kshetrajna", "Lord causes jivas to enjoy" etc. A perspective. Nothing wrong.

3. Advaita AchAryas downplay the significance of bhakti bhAv, ras, yoga in their translations and commentaries. To do so they add some things - again - as per their perspective.
e.g. "Although the ultimate knowledge is to be situated in the AtmA, it is OK that some stay in dual consciousness for bhakti towards NArAyaNa"

4. This is why i recommend Gita Press as there are no purports, commentaries or viewpoints. It is the product of an honest attempt at very innocent translations of the sanskrit, yet, the Gorakhpur publisher's author panel is fully devotionally inclined. This is consistently observed with their Bhagavad Gita translations as well.
They do mention jivatma, and how it should be devoted to Parameshwar. However, they are not afraid to translate the sanskrit that says there is one kshetrajna-AtmA that is purAN-purush VAsudev, who becomes all lokas and beings and experiences the guNas through the bhUta (living entities) OR that jivatma is the paramAtmA itself (UpadRshTA anumantA cha bhartA bhoktA maheshwara).

This is because they see the strength of the numerous bhakti yoga and bhakti rasa shlokas, for which they have bhAvpUrNa yet accurate translations. Their final message is 'bhakti rules'

In addition, the translations in BhAratIya (Indian) languages gives immense scope for best word usage as these languages have their origin in Sanskrit, and better appreciated by those whose mother-tongue, regional, national or spoken language it is. It speaks to them culturally and naturally. While something spills thru' the fingers - although very slightly - with English. (As Amrutji always notes).

_/\_

om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya ~

Amrut
28 June 2013, 07:26 AM
Smaranam ji is right,

Any acharya will try to be consistent with the views of path they follow and represent.

Regarding Gita press, Saints like Goenka and Swami Ramsukhsdasji, were both Ram Bhakta nas Tatva Jnani. their commentaries are inclined with bhakti with Jnana mixed, but mostly bhakti. They are honest in translation. Sometimes I wonder how they manage to print and sell so economically.

Also the authors are not just scholars but live spiritual dedicated life.


Originally quoted by Smaranam ji

3. Advaita AchAryas downplay the significance of bhakti bhAv, ras, yoga in their translations and commentaries.

I agree. If you try to pile up layers, then the joy of reading will be lost.

Aum

Amrut

smaranam
28 June 2013, 07:33 AM
That being said, if you are a detached dRshTA (witness) albeit a devotee, Shrila PrabhupAd's purports are a treasure. He explains many things and gives references into other shAstra (purAN, upanishad, tApani upanishads, GautamIya tantra etc.)
He explains things behind the scenes. Bhakti secrets. How to grow and nurture your bhakti latA starting from sowing the bhakti latA beej.
He brings in wisdom from Chaitanya, Goswamis, Vishwanath Chakravarti Thakur etc. all jewels.
So if one is not going to get carried away, and can discriminate, then they are definitely candidate for PrabhupAd nectar. Then you will appreciate why the AchArya translates the way he does, and says what he says.

I used to own a broken bhagavatam set by PrabhupAd (broken because the store (a temple library store) had lost a few books and that is all they had).

sacchidAnanda rUpAya vishwatpatyAdi hetave
tApatraya vinAshAya shri kRshNAya vayam numah:
(BhAgvat MahAtmya verse 1)

hinduism♥krishna
28 June 2013, 07:41 AM
I hate to break this to you, but the Advaitic concept of "oneness" of jiva and brahman isn't based on the veda-s, either. Nor will you find such a concept in the bhAgavatam. There really isn't any controversy here. The bhAgavatam is not an Advaitic text, period. Taken as a whole, the bhAgavatam, like the upaniShad-s clearly endorses a kind of qualified oneness and difference between jIva-s and brahman. Their conclusions are quite consistent with those of the bhagavad-gItA and viShNu purANa-s also.

Anyway, it looks like you have decided what the conclusion is, and now just want to find the translation that seems to authenticate your bias. I don't find any real difference between your preference for a "oneness" translation and an ISKCON devotee's preference for, well, the ISKCON translation. But best of luck in your search!
Namaste, phil.
I just read this and decided which one should i buy.

The main topic of vedas are oneness of atma and parabramhan. To know veda mind shoul b very pure without having any duality.

Look what bramhan krishna wants to say in bhagavat :

Lord krishna says to his dearest devotee in 11th canto ( uddhava gita )the secret of oneness between himself and jiva.

24 chapter verse 3

Meaning of the Verse:
That absolute reality, Brahman, which is beyond the ken of speech and the mind become dual in the shape of Maya (objective existence) and that which is reflected in it viz the Jeeva or the seer.

The Brahman is absolute and all pervading. There is not particular form and name in it. It cannot be understood by mind or caught by intellect. It is not reachable by any organs.
It is without Sattwa etc modifications, and it has no particular shape. It is the only Reality, the only truth. It is beyond even the minutest inarticulate speech and it has not modifications in its Real Being.

Even there, in the Brahman, what miracles are made by Maya are beyond imagination. It
creates two fictitious factors in the Brahman. One is the onlooker and the other is the object of looking. It itself becomes the Male (Purusha) and Female (Prakruti) and through this dual factors creates the inanimate as well as the living beings in the world.

As soon as a solid form comes into existence, its shadow also comes there. Similar is the life
of Maya related to Brahman. It has created Shiva as Male and Shakti as his female counterpart
which is the primary duality.

That, which is God in the Universe, becomes on a smaller scale the Jeeva in a Body (Pinda).
This Maya has created the duality of Purusha and Prakruti.

Veda declares that Brahman is not divisible. How was it torn or cut into two pieces? It is like
our face seen in a mirror by ourself.

If we face the east, the image of ourself is not facing the east. It looks at us, and thus looks at
west. This is the magic of Maya.

If we say that the reflection is in front of us, it is not facing east as we are, but it faces to our
opposite direction. The man is looking at East, but the reflection faces west.

Similarly the Atman is always facing swaroop i.e. the Reality and Jeeva is looking at the
outward world. That is why Jeeva cannot turn its face towards the Reality. Jeeva is looking at
the opposite direction.

Similarly the original pulsation in the Brahman is the Root Maya. There we face the God in
our own self, because we are directly in front of Him.

In the pure Reality of Brahman, the apparent Maya is a false thing, but that Maya has created twoness in one and created shiva and shakti ( purusha and prakriti)

21 chapter verse 35

Meaning of the Verse:
Vedas are having three divisions. Finally, aiming at oneness of Brahman and Atman. The sages are in the habit of writing indirectly and I also like indirect suggestive statements. (35)

Vedas has three divisions dealing each with karma, Worship and Knowledge (Karma, upasana dhyana) by which through purity of mind soul reaches bramhan.

Just as a fisherman pulls a fish by a hook, using a bait, Vedas also, by using the bait of
heavenly enjoyments pulls the soul towards the real spiritual life.

The stanzas in Veda contain terms which convey hidden meaning by indirect speech, e.g. by teaching the man to gradually relinquish things and sacrifice; he is guided to give up attachments to objects etc.

When this secret meaning is properly understood by the soul and he becomes one with the
Brahman, the two factors as Action and the Actor become unreal. Then the social classes
and the stages in personal life (Varna-Ashrama infrastructure of society) are of no importance.

Then what place has the three factors viz the object of mediation, the act of meditation, and the person who meditates? What place is there for the knower, the knowing and the subject to be known? As he is total, one Absolute Reality, the devotee, the devotion, and the object of devotion also do not remain!

What is then the performance of action? What is non-action? The very Vedas and the study of Vedas are also no more! Where is the place for the spiritual effort? He is complete all- pervading Brahman!

Then faults and merits, sin and good deeds, birth and death do not exist for him. Everything
is nothing but Brahman. !

Where is the division and where is the awareness of Unity or one-ness? What is the bondage
and what is the freedom? O Uddhava! There is total eternal bliss! And this is what the Vedas
mean!

If, however, this is clearly stated and taught to all, the core intention of Vedas to teach life of
virtue to the people will be defeated and, therefore, I have arranged to keep this hidden.

This is the essence of the secret of Vedas and the store of hidden knowledge. I have told you
because I know your worthiness for it.

If this is revealed for everybody, people who do not deserve, will give up all good deeds
and will miss both the Brahman and the duty.

Great sages have considered this point and kept direct meaning hidden, giving expression only to the obvious meaning of encouragement to worldly activities.

I also consider it the proper approach in order to maintain the evolutory nature of social
structure, because normally all people like to work for outward objects.

Though I am a non-doer, I do work in order to maintain the order of the world and to give
guidance to people I also follow the obvious meaning of the Vedas.

24 chapter verse 27

Meaning of the Verse:
The Time merges into Jeeva (Purusha), and the Jeeva merges into me, the Atman which has no
birth. Atman is Atman itself, where there is not Vikalpa. (Duality). (27)


When the Purusha is disturbed it becomes Time-Spirit and the creation, the existence and the
dissolution of forms comes into being.

When these three are finished, the function of Time is also finished and naturally it gets
merged into Jeeva.

Purusha who gives life to the lifeless and makes living beings from matter is called Jeeva.

By the power of Prakruti, the pure Brahman, or Purusha becomes Jeeva.

Prakruti is like a mirage; it appears but has no real existence.

If a man falls into the apparent water of mirage, he will not find actual water there, and he
would not be drowned. Similarly, Prakruti is unreal and Jeeva also is unreal!

For example, if we look at the ocean, we feel that sky has fallen in it, but it will be foolish to
think that the sky has fallen. Similarly, the form, the name, the quality, the Karma – are all
illusions within Maya.

O Uddhava, even if Prakruti is supposed to exist, the Jeeva-hood is false. I shall tell you the
facts.

When we look into the mirror, we see ourselves as reflection, but we are aware that, we
exist ourselves quite separate from the image.

O Uddhava, similarly, though I appear to be within the created universe, i.e. Prakruti while
the process of creation etc is going on, you should remember that I am different from
Prakruti.

The sky is seen as reflected in the water, but it does not get wet. Similarly, though I work
using Prakruti, I am not affected in any way.

When we consider on these lines, the facts, we come to the conclusion or realization that
Prakruti or Maya does not exist at all, the two names viz Jeeva and Shiva are false, because
what is known as Jeeva is really the Paramatman.

When the existence of Jeeva is negated, its counterpart Shiv is also finished, and what remains is Atman, one complete non-duality.

When the Jeeva remembers that it is not Jeeva, but Atman, at that moment, Jeeva becomes
Absolute Reality, the Paramatman, which is having no birth, no destruction, no division, and is endless.

When in the Brahman, there is no awareness that itself is Brahman, where is the scope to say I or You, and who will say it? O Uddhava, at that stage, there is only the highest bliss!

You may ask what that highest bliss is. My answer is I am the highest bliss, which is without
births or deaths. I Shri Krishna is that endless eternity. It has no other place than myself.

O Uddhava! You are also the same bliss, because there is no duality of You and I. Only the
greatest original cause of everything - the Brahman exists.

I am the soul of your soul. There is no difference between You and Me! Thus I have told you
– The sign of my secret nature.
I, Shri Krishna am the Atman of all the world and you, Uddhava, are the Atman of myself –
Listening to this statement made by Shri Krishna, Uddhava was confused.

He thought – ‘No doubt, the Lord says that I am his Atman, but I am ignorant of his greatness.
Strange is the miracle of this Supreme Person. How can we, ordinary men know it?

Identity as Uddhava is no doubt understood to be false. When I considered what the Lord
says, I do not see myself separately.

But if I attain the consciousness, where my identity is lost, the Lord seeing me as enlightened, will go to his permanent abode, leaving me to suffer the pangs of estrangement, which I will not be able to contain, to sustain.

philosoraptor
28 June 2013, 12:03 PM
So basically, the problem here is we need to find a non-Vaishnava translation of the bhAgavatam, right? Something that lacks all those crazy ISKCON ideas like "Vishnu is the only Supreme God, other gods are not the Supreme God."

Good luck with that....

hinduism♥krishna
28 June 2013, 02:02 PM
So basically, the problem here is we need to find a non-Vaishnava translation of the bhAgavatam, right? Something that lacks all those crazy ISKCON ideas like "Vishnu is the only Supreme God, other gods are not the Supreme God."

Good luck with that....

Namaste.shri hari.
Plz don't misunderstand me.
I dont consider any crazy in saying vishnu is supreme god. vedas say narayana is bramhan . Vishnu is turiya state
I sincerely quoted the real verse with real meaning.
The people will understand immediately what is the true philosophy of purana.

Hari govinda !!!!!

brahma jijnasa
28 June 2013, 08:18 PM
Namaste hinduism♥krishna

Maybe this will be of help:
http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?p=102720#post102720

This also, starting with post #18 and further:
http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?p=100053#post100053

This too:
http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?p=105044#post105044


regards

N.R.Ranganathan
04 July 2013, 10:11 AM
Sir,

Is it available in tamil or sanskrit-tamil ? If so, can you kindly guide me from where I can get it ?

hinduism♥krishna
15 September 2013, 10:55 AM
Namaste,all of you !

Where can i get genuine hindu scriptures including Upanishads?

Anyone suggest me any good dharmic book store in Mumbai .

philosoraptor
15 September 2013, 11:45 AM
Namaste,all of you !

Where can i get genuine hindu scriptures including Upanishads?

Anyone suggest me any good dharmic book store in Mumbai .

Genuine Upanishads are heard by a qualified student from a qualified guru, not purchased off the shelf of a bookstore.

hinduism♥krishna
15 September 2013, 12:00 PM
Genuine Upanishads are heard by a qualified student from a qualified guru, not purchased off the shelf of a bookstore.

Namaste phil,

Yes, You are right ! But i just want to know about any good store which sells all hindu scriptures .

If you know any famous book store ,then tell me.

Thank you.

Sudas Paijavana
15 September 2013, 12:10 PM
Namaste phil,

Yes, You are right ! But i just want to know about any good store which sells all hindu scriptures .

If you know any famous book store ,then tell me.

Thank you.

Pranam-s,

What about Crossword on Link Road and Turner Road in Mumbai? That is a very famous bookstore in Mumbai, is it not?

Amrut
15 September 2013, 12:18 PM
Namaste,all of you !

Where can i get genuine hindu scriptures including Upanishads?

Anyone suggest me any good dharmic book store in Mumbai .

Namaste

Smaranam ji gave best option on first page. Do not doubt on her honesty. Gita Press has store in Mumbai.

You may not like PR's advice, but he is correct. I have given this address in a hope that you will study them for your own upliftment and not to prove anything. True advaitin remains calm and not get exited.

There is a way to express ourselves in public forum

Bold means giving special importance
Typing in Red colour means you are angry
Typing in CAPITAL letters means you are shouting

I do not think it was necessary in this post.

Hari OM

Amrut
15 September 2013, 12:24 PM
Pranam-s,

What about Crossword on Link Road and Turner Road in Mumbai? That is a very famous bookstore in Mumbai, is it not?

Namaste,

They mostly keep books written by Westerners.

Gita Press was inspired by Shri Goenka ji, who is said to have divine vision of Lord Rama and had Advaita Jnana too. SAme with case of Swami Ramsukhdas ji Maharaj. Goenka ji also build Gita Bhavan, which runs Vedic pathashala and has accommodation for monks and laymen.

I have heard that Git Press is running in loss since many years. It has sustained due to tremendous volunteering. They sell books which at times do not even cover page and ink cost.

e.g. 9 Upanishads which is a 1000 page book cost just Rs. 125.00

Brihad and Chandogya cost Rs. 120.00 (1000 page) and Rs. 100.00

There is another version with just moola sloka-s.

Shankara Bhashya contains translation of moola sloka. They are both available in hindi.

They have noble intention to spread our dharma.

Gita Press bookstore is just near Marine Lines Station in Bombay. It is very famous and anyone can give direction.

Jai Shri Krishna

Sudas Paijavana
15 September 2013, 12:27 PM
e.g. 9 Upanishads which is a 1000 page book cost just Rs. 125.00

Brihad and Chandogya cost Rs. 120.00 (1000 page) and Rs. 100.00


Pranam-s,

Long Live Shri Gita Press!

Amrut
15 September 2013, 12:36 PM
Namaste,

Another one is a book store at Sri Ramakrishna Ashram, Khar (West) mumbai.

They also sell books very cheep e.g. Gita, Madhusudhan's commentary is 1000 page costing Rs. 195.00

There may be some issues with Translation of some verses

OM

hinduism♥krishna
15 September 2013, 12:53 PM
Thank you :) , sudas and amrit.
I have decided to go to gita press store tomorrow.
Hari om.

smaranam
16 September 2013, 01:04 AM
Namaste


There is a way to express ourselves in public forum

Bold means giving special importance
Typing in Red colour means you are angry
Typing in CAPITAL letters means you are shouting

Hari OM
Thanks for this protocol.

I don't use bold, italics, underline and capitol letters because I am angry or shouting, but for the same reasons that publishers or mothers would use them.

I thought mother puts nutritious aromatic food on the table in bold italics underlined and capitol letters, so that the children too engrossed in play will get diverted. Lunch time. This is not to say that people who read my posts are children, oh no, but using this analogy for indrIya-mana-buddhi (senses-mind-intellect) impersonally, as a general group, mine included. Many times the bolding is for me. I had a habit of reading books with highlighter in hand (personal copies of course).

Now I see why and how someone thought I was 'very angry' when I was simply stating facts, and why the feedback came as a surprise :)

No more wordprocessing features for me. Noteapad ki jay.

* Never make the forums your playground. What you toss as a soft beach ball, may be received as a hard rock.

_/\_

om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya ~

Amrut
16 September 2013, 02:15 AM
Namaste


Thanks for this protocol.

I don't use bold, italics, underline and capitol letters because I am angry or shouting, but for the same reasons that publishers or mothers would use them.

I thought mother puts nutritious aromatic food on the table in bold italics underlined and capitol letters, so that the children too engrossed in play will get diverted. Lunch time. This is not to say that people who read my posts are children, oh no, but using this analogy for indrIya-mana-buddhi (senses-mind-intellect) impersonally, as a general group, mine included. Many times the bolding is for me. I had a habit of reading books with highlighter in hand (personal copies of course).

Now I see why and how someone thought I was 'very angry' when I was simply stating facts, and why the feedback came as a surprise :)

No more wordprocessing features for me. Noteapad ki jay.

* Never make the forums your playground. What you toss as a soft beach ball, may be received as a hard rock.

_/\_

om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya ~

Namaste,

That was not for you, it was for HLK, regarding post #24. In general we use them sparingly. HLK uses them quite often. You use them differently. I do not think that they should offend anyone. Atleast I didnt find them offending or shouting, etc :)

General Info:

Web designers call them attributes, they are written between <a> and <\a>, while forums uses BB code for some reason and uses sq. brackets [ ]

robots, crawlers identity them them give them importance.

e.g. if It type smaranam and you type and give bold attribute smaranam, your webpage will get priority and will be displayed higher than mine :)

using blue does not mean to shout or to get angry, it's only with blood red ;)

Same with head tags, H1, H2, H3, H4 --> these are headers, used to give title to a para, chapter or a Section

Jai Shri Krishna.

smaranam
16 September 2013, 04:39 AM
I know it was [good advice] for HLK. I happened to use all those for different reason (red only for GaNesh - His favourite colour), so this protocol is important for me. Who knows, people may think I am shouting :)

Therefore, notepad ki jay.