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Believer
02 August 2013, 05:46 PM
Namaste,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAzEMKoWKe8&sns=em

Pranam.

jignyAsu
02 August 2013, 06:35 PM
Thank you for the link. Michael Cremo, SR Rao and others are very blessed souls indeed.

The world is brainwashed with adament theories that deny India of our great history beyond a few thousand years, be it aryan invasion or dancing ethiopian theory.

Very few even accept our ItihAsAs as they are. Even here, bringing in E.Ts and aliens here was unnecessary.

Believer
02 August 2013, 07:59 PM
Namaste,

Even here, bringing in E.Ts and aliens here was unnecessary.
Yes, they put some star wars type gubli-gook at the end to cheapen the whole thing. Perhaps some uninformed Hindus narrated to them the stories about the attack on Dwarka being from UFO's; the documentary makers could not have invented it themselves.

Pranam.

Sudas Paijavana
02 August 2013, 09:46 PM
Namaste,

The following also talks about this matter. I believe Dwarka is real and Lord Shri Krishna did live there.

http://vimeo.com/14466776

Paijavana

philosoraptor
04 August 2013, 07:57 AM
Namaste,

The following also talks about this matter. I believe Dwarka is real and Lord Shri Krishna did live there.


So far as I know, neither Sri Krishna nor Dvaaraka are mentioned in the Rig Veda Samhita, the only scripture you have previously opined is authoritative.

Viraja
04 August 2013, 10:25 AM
A related story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmXHQzAtP4w

(Krishna History or Myth - The Movie)

Sudas Paijavana
04 August 2013, 01:43 PM
So far as I know, neither Sri Krishna nor Dvaaraka are mentioned in the Rig Veda Samhita, the only scripture you have previously opined is authoritative.

Greetings,

Lord Shri Vishnu is described as a "father who comes down to earth" - I see avataras as being backed up by the epithets ascribed to Lord Shri Vishnu in Shruti. Also, really? Ad hominem on a thread about Lord Shri Krishna? Really?

philosoraptor
04 August 2013, 04:47 PM
Greetings,

Lord Shri Vishnu is described as a "father who comes down to earth" - I see avataras as being backed up by the epithets ascribed to Lord Shri Vishnu in Shruti. Also, really? Ad hominem on a thread about Lord Shri Krishna? Really?

Ad hominem? Who? Me? I'm just pointing out that Sri Krishna is not mentioned in Rg Veda. Vishnu is certainly mentioned, but if you only believe Rig Veda is authority, you can't argue that a non-Rg-veda avatAra is a genuine avatAra of Vedic deity, since your standard of proof is different from the evidence which describes the avatAra.

Anyway.... this thread is about submerged Dvaraka, so let me not derail it further.

Viraja
04 August 2013, 06:05 PM
Namaste,

Yes, they put some star wars type gubli-gook at the end to cheapen the whole thing. Perhaps some uninformed Hindus narrated to them the stories about the attack on Dwarka being from UFO's; the documentary makers could not have invented it themselves.

Pranam.

The thing they are referring to as UFO's being involved in the attack by King Salwa on Dwaraka is nothing else but the various astras - like 'Brahmastra'. We see in Mahabharata, in the tale of Parikshit maharaja, that when he was a little infant in his mother's womb, Ashwattama issued the Brahmastra to kill the infant, the attack being averted by Sri Krishna's protection. So also in Ramayana, we see the usage of various astras being under play in the war between Rama and Ravana and his men. So in this clipping on submerged Dwarka, I believe Westerners are trying to present as realistic a picture as could be on how these astras or 'celestial weapons' could have acted on Dwaraka, destroying the city. An overall interesting narrative!

jignyAsu
04 August 2013, 06:54 PM
I believe Westerners are trying to present as realistic a picture as could be on how these astras or 'celestial weapons' could have acted on Dwaraka, destroying the city.

Exactly! And aliens at this point is more realistic to them than accepting such a long human history, scared and brainwashed they are by atheistic conclusions.

Long time back people were laughing at the Hindus for making ridiculous claim about world being more than 5000 years. Now, even if we escavate entire Dwaraka, they will say - ok, we push you back to 1000BC more that's all.

Even our Indian scientists like Dr Vartak, assigns dates of 8000 BC to Ramayana etc. only to seem more "real". For e.g. he refers to incident of killing of Jayadrata where Krishna blocks the sun with His maya. He takes this incident to be a solar eclipse and calculates a date - Krishna hiding sun is too much for him and yet Sri Vyasa has document many an eclipse and so knows the difference. Very few fortunate souls are able to take our Itihasa puranas as they are.

Ofcourse such pseudo conclusions are useful for agnostics struggling with their faith.........

Believer
05 August 2013, 02:23 AM
Namaste,

So in this clipping on submerged Dwarka, I believe Westerners are trying to present as realistic a picture as could be on how these astras or 'celestial weapons' could have acted on Dwaraka, destroying the city.
Viraja, you are too kind and too charitable.

As 'jignyAsu' has alluded, redefining the use of 'celestial weapons' and turning them into UFO attacks is equivalent to making a mockery of the whole thing. They should be explained for what they are, not what is the equivalent to them in the fictional star war type movies of today.

Pranam.

Viraja
05 August 2013, 07:46 AM
Even our Indian scientists like Dr Vartak, assigns dates of 8000 BC to Ramayana etc. only to seem more "real". For e.g. he refers to incident of killing of Jayadrata where Krishna blocks the sun with His maya. He takes this incident to be a solar eclipse and calculates a date - Krishna hiding sun is too much for him and yet Sri Vyasa has document many an eclipse and so knows the difference. Very few fortunate souls are able to take our Itihasa puranas as they are.

Ofcourse such pseudo conclusions are useful for agnostics struggling with their faith.........

Astrologer, both Indian and Western, who have been interested in Ramayana, have been thinking it happened about merely 5000 years ago.. Because it seems there had been a day 5000 yrs ago when Rama's natal astrological placements vibed with the planetary placements for the day! That puts 'Treta yuga' just 5000 yrs ago! And they are eager to place Mahabharata to have happened 3000 yrs ago, giving a gap of just 2000 yrs of Treta yuga to complete before Dwapara yuga to have started! Very funny indeed, but it was interesting to read that there was a day 5000 yrs ago when planetary placement was in alignment with Rama's jatakam.

jignyAsu
05 August 2013, 08:42 AM
Astrologer, both Indian and Western, who have been interested in Ramayana, have been thinking it happened about merely 5000 years ago.. Because it seems there had been a day 5000 yrs ago when Rama's natal astrological placements vibed with the planetary placements for the day! That puts 'Treta yuga' just 5000 yrs ago! And they are eager to place Mahabharata to have happened 3000 yrs ago, giving a gap of just 2000 yrs of Treta yuga to complete before Dwapara yuga to have started! Very funny indeed, but it was interesting to read that there was a day 5000 yrs ago when planetary placement was in alignment with Rama's jatakam.


The planetary placements as described in detail by our great sages are indeed a very good source to trace our history. I don't know about jatakams, but the astronomical positions tend to repeat themselves every several thousand years or so and that can explain the similar patterns. And the scientists' idea of astronomy is not as accurate as they project to be.

Scientists will be ridiculed today if they talk about a treta yuga being a million years back. But by projecting the theory of a "perfect being" Rama evolved from grandpa rock after having travelled across the globe as per the "dancing ethiopian theory", they can be in good books everywhere. But in the end all we have remaining is a sudden unexplainable transformation to a unique Vedic wisdom, which happened only in India.

Viraja
05 August 2013, 09:40 AM
It might be interesting to read this article that discusses various astrologers' stand on Rama's birthday being 10th January 5114 BC at 12:30 PM.

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/lord_rama_fact_or_fiction.htm

rakovsky
25 September 2016, 11:20 PM
Namaste!
Let me make two comments:
1. Alexandria in Egypt is on the coast and it is 2000+ years old and nowadays part of it is underwater. Therefore, I don't find it unreasonable to propose that part of the city of Dwarka is underwater, since we know that Dwarka was settled by the Indus society 3500+ years ago.

2. I would not expect the underwater part of the city to be both bigger and older than the other major cities of the Indus society of 3500-1500 BC. I expect that the more primitive cities/villages of 8000-3500 BC of Hindustan would be comparable to the underwater part of Dwarka. In other words, I expect that in 8000-3500 BC, Indus society was more primitive than in 3500-1500 BC, and that we would not expect the "Underwater Dwarka" to be more developed in the period of 8000-3500 BC than the rest of our findings. Do you understand what I mean?