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Jigar
26 March 2007, 10:52 PM
Namaste,
What stage of the 4 stages is the kali yuga? What can I expect the Earth to be like after the stage is over and which stage is next? Because I'm expecting the earth to change from it like the ice ages.


Swas Tik Hai,
Jigar

Agnideva
27 March 2007, 11:04 AM
Namaste Jigar,


What stage of the 4 stages is the kali yuga? What can I expect the Earth to be like after the stage is over and which stage is next? Because I'm expecting the earth to change from it like the ice ages.

As you've seen from our discussion in another thread, the traditional model (this is the only one I'll mention here) says we are in the kaliyuga since the year 3102 BCE, and this age lasts a total of 432000 years. The kali yuga is the last of the four yugas in the mahayuga cycle. It is also called the iron age or age of discord when dharma declines, and adharma rules.

The mahayuga cycle goes as follows:

satya yuga - 1728000 years
treta yuga - 1296000 years
dvapara yuga - 864000 years
kali yuga - 432000 years

After the kaliyuga is finished, another satya yuga begins. The idea is that dharma and spirituality are at the highest in the satya yuga, and lowest in the kali yuga. In other words, dharma waxes and wanes through the yuga cycles.

As for the second part of your question, I'm not sure what you can expect of the earth once this age is over. From a geological perspective, ice ages come and go every 100000 years or so. And also don't forget, we are overdue for a shift in the magnetic poles ;).

OM Shanti,
A.

saidevo
27 March 2007, 12:12 PM
Namaste Jigar,



What stage of the 4 stages is the kali yuga? What can I expect the Earth to be like after the stage is over and which stage is next? Because I'm expecting the earth to change from it like the ice ages.


According to Theosophy, as the Yugas roll by, the Earth will shrink and become a satellite, just as the Moon was once a full-fledged planet and became a satellite!

For more details, check: http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7318&postcount=3

yajvan
28 March 2007, 07:33 PM
Hari Om
~~~~~




According to Theosophy, as the Yugas roll by, the Earth will shrink and become a satellite, just as the Moon was once a full-fledged For more details, check:

Namaste saidevo,
Can you adivse on any books, shastra, agama's I may take a look-see?

Regards and pranams,

Jigar
28 March 2007, 09:26 PM
Namaste Jigar,



According to Theosophy, as the Yugas roll by, the Earth will shrink and become a satellite, just as the Moon was once a full-fledged planet and became a satellite!

For more details, check: http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7318&postcount=3


Namaste,
I find that theosophy ludicris. It needs supporting evidence.

Namas Car,
Jigar

saidevo
28 March 2007, 11:04 PM
Namaste Yajvan.



Can you adivse on any books, shastra, agama's I may take a look-see?


Most Hindus and many others believe that there was a universal faith akin to Sanatana Dharma (may be SD itself) that was prevalent in the world before the advent of the Western religions. And then there were the Atlantean, Lemurian and other pre-historic civilizations that perished over time. These ancient cultures and 'civis' had their own technology in their daily walks of life that matched, if not excelled the modern technology. For example, the Atlanteans are believed to have harnessed nuclear power for transport and knew ways of generating that power without its radiational hazards. Plato talks about this civilization. Where did he obtain that knowledge?

Theosophy seeks to find and re-establish the roots of all faiths, so man can know his true history and culture and unite in a White Brotherhood. I am interested in knowing about and reading the Hindu Scriptures that have details on the parts of the world beyond Bharat Varsha of those times. The growing agression of Christianity and Islam seeks to destroy such universal truths and bring humanity inside an iron curtain. If humanity is to thwart their schemes, it needs to look beyond its religions (however universal they may be), find the roots that united the world in faith and culture and seek to re-establish them.

I have read some of the works of Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater. While they are elaborate in the holistic world view of the hereafter offered by Theosophy based on Brahminism (the philosophy of Brahman) and Buddhism, they don't speak much about the roots. There is one author, H.P. Blavatsky, the founder of the Theosophical movement, who gives elaborate details of these roots in her works. I have started reading her work The Secret Doctrine. It is rich in details even within the first fifty pages of its introduction. I would recommend this work for you, so you may read it, compare it with Hindu Scriptures you are well-versed with, and highlight the correspondences and contradictions. And then if you are interested in a quickie on Theosophy, read these wonderful compilations by Arthur E. Powell: 1. The Solar System 2. The Etheric Body 3. The Mental Body 4. The Causal Body (I have read the first three of them).

Jigar
29 March 2007, 08:04 PM
Namaste,


if you are interested in a quickie on Theosophy, read these wonderful compilations by Arthur E. Powell: 1. The Solar System 2. The Etheric Body 3. The Mental Body 4. The Causal Body (I have read the first three of them).



I read a few review about each book. Although it is referenced as inaccurate it seems to be of a very interesting read indeed.

Namas Car,
Jigar

saidevo
30 March 2007, 02:07 PM
Namaste,
I read a few review about each book. Although it is referenced as inaccurate it seems to be of a very interesting read indeed.
Jigar

Arthur E. Powell's compilations can be read/downloaded at:
http://www.theosophical.ca/OnLineDocs.htm

and HPB's books at: http://www.theosophy.org/index.html and many other Theosophical Websites.

For the books of Annie Besant and Leadbeater, check:
http://www.anandgholap.net/index.html

Rishi
22 December 2007, 11:58 PM
Vishnu Purana states that Earth will become desolate and desert-like at the very end of this Kali Yuga.

yajvan
27 December 2007, 10:16 PM
Hari Om
~~~~~

Namaste,

http://bp3.blogger.com/_poozp2TeXhg/R3Rjit1je7I/AAAAAAAAAv0/70_GgkM4ZsY/s320/bhutto_assassinated.jpg (http://bp3.blogger.com/_poozp2TeXhg/R3Rjit1je7I/AAAAAAAAAv0/70_GgkM4ZsY/s1600-h/bhutto_assassinated.jpg) I am watching the news on Pakistan's former PM Benazir Bhutto's assassination Thursday ( December 27, 2007) by a suicide bomber. The bomber also killed at least 22 of her supporters. CNN is now reporting that a motorcyclist drove to the side of her convoy then blew himself up.

AS I look around the world I think how can this not be a sign of Kali yugaą continuing. I mention this, as on one forum I attended the notion was vehemently argued that we are not in this age kali yuga.

So, I pinched myself a few times to insure I was not in dream REM state of consciousness and then opened the papers, watched the news, and pondered, again, how can this not be Kali yuga, and what the heck am I doing here? I figured out why I am here, yet I am still aghast that some do not see Kali Yuga blooming.

Now to the mukti, and his/her balanced vision all this is Brahman, all this is consciousness. To the un-aided eye there is this time that is upon us that is called out in the Mahabharata by Yudhishthira ( Vana Parva, Section CLXXXIX ) we are experiencing now. http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaliyuga.htm


Do I think we can change the course of time? Yes I do. How so? The infusion of the Divine, Brahman, the SELF, this Bhuma into the good people of this earth.


May we all contribute to improving this world, starting with ourselves.


pranams

1. Kali Yuga timing - a few discussion points: http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1803 (http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1803)
Svami Yukteshvar's calculations for this age: http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showpost.php?p=14254&postcount=2 (http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showpost.php?p=14254&postcount=2)

Arvind Sivaraman
27 December 2007, 11:29 PM
Namaste,
What stage of the 4 stages is the kali yuga? What can I expect the Earth to be like after the stage is over and which stage is next? Because I'm expecting the earth to change from it like the ice ages.


Swas Tik Hai,
Jigar

Om Shirdi Sai Ram.
Namaste Jigar.



Table : Infrastructure of the Chatur-Yuga period.


Krita Yuga Period

Dawn
400 - Divine Years
144,000 - Solar Years
Krita-Yuga
4,000 - Divine Years
1,440,000 - Solar Years
Twilight
400 - Divine Years
144,000 - Solar Years
Subtotal
4,800 - Divine Years
1,728,000 - Solar Years





Treta Yuga Period
Dawn
300 - Divine Years
108,000 - Solar Years
Treta-Yuga
3,000 - Divine Years
1,080,000 - Solar Years
Twilight
300 - Divine Years
108,000 - Solar Years
Subtotal
3,600 - Divine Years
1,296,000 - Solar Years



Dvapara Yuga Period
Dawn
200 - Divine Years
72,000 - Solar Years
Dvapara-Yuga
2,000 - Divine Years
720,000 - Solar Years
Twilight
200 - Divine Years
72,000 - Solar Years
Subtotal
2,400 - Divine Years
864,000 - Solar Years


Kali Yuga Period
Dawn
100 - Divine Years
36,000 - Solar Years
Kali-Yuga
1,000 - Divine Years
360,000 - Solar Years
Twilight
100 - Divine Years
36,000 - Solar Years
Subtotal
1,200 - Divine Years
432,000 - Solar Years
Total
12,000 - Divine Years
4,320,000 - Solar Years

Soul
28 December 2007, 06:28 PM
And also don't forget, we are overdue for a shift in the magnetic poles ;).

OM Shanti,
A.

Namast Agndeva,

How is this known ?

Bob G
03 January 2008, 02:41 PM
Namaste Soul, Here is a little info about magnetic pole shift:

"When talking about the magnetic poles flipping, we can say three things with reasonable confidence: it's going to happen, we don't know when, and it probably won't be as bad as some people think.

As far as scientists can tell, the earth has had a magnetic field for billions of years. The ancient Chinese were likely the first to discover the field's effect on lodestones, although Europeans may not have figured it out till the Middle Ages. In 1600 a physician in Queen Elizabeth's court named William Gilbert proposed that the earth itself generated the force that moved compass needles. Scientists began measuring the strength of the earth's magnetic field in the 1830s using a magnetometer invented by Carl Friedrich Gauss. Since then the magnetic field has been subject to intensive if somewhat inconclusive study, the upshot of which is that we're not certain why it's there, but we're lucky it is — it does a lot more than make compasses work. In combination with the atmosphere it shields us from many of the solar and other charged particles that would otherwise spatter the planet's surface and its inhabitants; it also protects the atmosphere itself from erosion by the solar wind.
While the experts are vague on the details, they're pretty sure the earth's magnetic field is a result of movement in the planet's liquid iron and nickel core (although Jupiter and other planets believed to lack such cores also have magnetic fields). They also know the field isn't stable and tends to shift in at least two different ways: the magnetic poles typically wander around slowly, but every so often flip completely, reversing the magnetic polarity of the planet.
Ever since the compass was invented, navigators have noticed that the direction indicated by the needle changes slightly each year. Over the last century, both the north and south magnetic poles have been drifting north (that is, toward the geographic north pole, which itself wanders somewhat, but let's not make this more complicated than it already is). The north magnetic pole historically has moved at a rate of about ten kilometers per year, but has lately accelerated, heading toward Russia at four times that rate.
The first evidence for a complete flip of the magnetic poles came in the 1950s, when studies of the tectonic plates in the mid-Atlantic revealed that the rock making up the ocean floor was arranged in stripes of alternating magnetic polarity. It turns out that as the iron-rich magma pushing up from beneath the plate boundary cools and spreads out, the mineral crystals align themselves with the magnetic field as it then exists, creating a tree-ring-style record of its direction and strength. The alternating stripes attest to frequent field flip-flops over geological time.
Intervals between pole flips vary greatly — sometimes things will be stable for tens of millions of years, other times the poles reverse after a few tens of thousands of years. The last flip was roughly 780,000 years ago, making some think we're overdue, although since no one really understands polar acrobatics, prediction seems futile. Circumstantial evidence suggests that a comet or large meteorite impact could trigger a magnetic pole flip, but proof is lacking. Recent reports about a decrease in the strength of the earth's magnetic field have led to anxiety that another reversal looms. However, while the field's strength has weakened by about 10 percent since the 1800s, it's still about double the average strength over the last million years.
When the magnetic field does reverse, it won't be like someone hit a light switch — the process can take thousands of years, and that's part of the problem. While the poles are in midflip, the earth will have a much weaker magnetic field than normal, allowing more solar and cosmic radiation to penetrate. Recent research suggests that a weak magnetic field could lead to severe damage of the ozone layer, letting in more ultraviolet radiation and sharply increasing skin cancer rates, resulting in perhaps a hundred thousand additional cancer deaths per year. Pole flips generally haven't coincided with mass wildlife extinctions, so most plants and animals (presumably including us) will likely survive. Still, during the flipping process not only would the north and south poles radically shift location, there might be several different small poles scattered around the planet. This could lead to disruption of electrical systems and satellites, auroras appearing at tropical latitudes, and widespread death (or at least confusion) among animals like the loggerhead turtle that rely upon the earth's magnetic field for navigation. So OK, things might get ugly for a bit. But my guess is we'll deal with it."
—CECIL ADAMS

Soul
03 January 2008, 05:28 PM
Namaste Bob,

Wow....

Thanks for posting that info....

Enjoy :)

Soul

Bob G
03 January 2008, 08:06 PM
You are welcome Soul!

I believe one can find Hindu teachings about how all things (including all the yugas) are really spinning together right now. (and past and future are only apparent...etc.) Anyway, if you are interested here is a quote from a Buddhist source that I believe speaks of such:

All of Dharmadhatu Coexist as a Whole


"It is commonly held to be the case that what was in the past are gone, what are at present are transient, and what will come have not yet occurred. Consequently, even though after having accepted the Dependent Origination View that all dharmas are mutually dependent as causes and conditions for their coexistence, one still regards Dharmadhatu as a flow of dharmas—past dharmas have faded away, present dharmas are apparent but transient, and future dharmas have not arrived and are unpredictable. This view of Dharmadhatu is under the limitation of the notion of time, and as such it deviates from the correct meaning of the Buddhist Dharmadhatu.


According to the correct view of Dharmadhatu all dharmas in the past, all dharmas at present and all dharmas in the future are all together in the Dharmadhatu. Dharmadhatu is neither limited by space nor by time. Ordinarily people can experience only a minute part of all dharmas at present, and therefore people sustain the view that dharmas in the past are gone and future is unpredictable. If one practices according to Buddhist teachings and thereby comes out of the bondage of the fixed view of a space-and-time framework, then it is possible to experience or witness dharmas in the past as well as dharmas in the future. According to biographies of ancient Buddhist sages, some witnessed that the ancient assemblage of Buddha, holy beings and his disciples, in which the teachings recorded in Wondrous Dharma Lotus Sutra were given, had not dispersed yet. There are also numerous records of valid prophecies regarding important events or personages in Buddhist history. Even though for common people these matters are difficult to believe, nevertheless, among practitioners it is common experiences that knowledge of future events are revealed now and then through inspirations" from Dr. Yutang Lin

Om

TatTvamAsi
22 January 2008, 03:59 PM
According to various sources, we are still in the dawn of the Kali Yuga. If the state of the world is so bad now, I wonder how it would be towards the end of the Kali Yuga.

In the Kalki Purana, it states that we will war with China (?) for over 20 years and at the end of the war Kalki will come and vanquish them. So I suppose Kali is embodied in the Chinese and they will attack Bharat in the future? Kind of scary to read. Any thoughts on this?

Another interesting theory I've come across is that Ashwatthama, the son of Dronacharya, was banished from Aryavarta with leprosy for 6000 years by Krishna and hence he is one of the Chiranjeevins. Apparently he fled to the Arabian peninsula and I'm just wondering if that is dawn of Christianity & Islam? LOL. Just a radical thought, but he has enough reason to hate Hindus and India...so I wonder if those subtler forces gave birth to Christianity & Islam and consequently the invasions into Aryavarta & constant degradation of Sanathana Dharma?

It states in the Srimad Bhagavatam that after the demise of King Parikshit, Sanathana Dharma will have a steady decline and only at the end of the Kali Yuga will Vishnu manifest as Kalki to restore dharma on this earth.

Then the Sandhi Kalam where the earth is submerged in the 'Waters' only to give rise to a new Satya Yuga!

Subham.

sarabhanga
22 January 2008, 11:33 PM
Namaste TTA,

ashvatthAma was the son of droNAcArya (who, as the preceptor of both kuru and paNDu, was the veritable cause of the dramatic action on kurukshetra). droNAcArya is said to have been generated (in a bucket) by the RSi bharadvAja; and bharadvAja, droNa, and ashvatthAma are all AŃgirasa. After the appearance of srI kRSNa on kurukshetra, however, the pANDava princes’ sadguru usurped the previous guru status of droNAcArya.

Both droNa and ashvatthAma were kings of uttara pańcAla, while kRSNa was the yAdava lord. And the suggestion that ashvatthAma was banished for 6,000 years with leprosy by kRSNa is surely a subsequent yAdava exaggeration (a bit of “my guru beat your guru” propaganda).

TatTvamAsi
23 January 2008, 03:35 AM
Namaste TTA,

ashvatthAma was the son of droNAcArya (who, as the preceptor of both kuru and paNDu, was the veritable cause of the dramatic action on kurukshetra). droNAcArya is said to have been generated (in a bucket) by the RSi bharadvAja; and bharadvAja, droNa, and ashvatthAma are all AŃgirasa. After the appearance of srI kRSNa on kurukshetra, however, the pANDava princes’ sadguru usurped the previous guru status of droNAcArya.

Both droNa and ashvatthAma were kings of uttara pańcAla, while kRSNa was the yAdava lord. And the suggestion that ashvatthAma was banished for 6,000 years with leprosy by kRSNa is surely a subsequent yAdava exaggeration (a bit of “my guru beat your guru” propaganda).

Namaste Sarabhanga,

Interesting...how about the part where he 'migrated to the Arabian peninsula'? Another myth?

It's funny that the Kalki Purana gives so much detail that it is very hard to believe! "White winged steed"? haha. it sounds like a video game...I just hope the world doesn't look like a huge landfill in ~400k years.

Subham.

Rajalakshmi
23 January 2008, 04:02 AM
ashvatthAma is said to have committed the midnight massacre of upa-pANDavas, along with kR^ipa and kR^itavarma. After this, Arjuna and ashvatthAma were locked in a war of divyAstras. ashvatthAma hurls the brahmashIrsha astra on Arjuna who replied with the same astra. When these astras collided, the world was about to destroyed. Sages like vyAsa and nArada interfered and prevented the disaster. Both Arjuna and ashvatthAma were commanded to withdraw their weapons. Arjuna was able to do so, while ashvatthAma failed. The weapon was directed at the womb of uttara( who was carrying the would be parIxit) , the wife of abhimanyu - the only hope of the pANDAva line as everybody else had been killed by the trio. For this miserable act, ashvatthAma was stripped of his precious jewel he wore on his head. He was cursed by vyAsa to lead a miserable long life, for his sins. Later, Krishna by his Yogic power, restored the life of parIxit.

sarabhanga
23 January 2008, 04:19 AM
How about the part where he 'migrated to the Arabian peninsula'? Another myth?

Namaste TTA,

The mythic pańcapaNDava are the historic pańcakRSTaya, and it was the descendents of yAdu, represented by yudhiSThira, who followed the sun’s westward course and finally reached the land promised to them by their promise to yama ~ the sunset realm of nara shiva, from which there can be no reincarnation, only eternal bliss. They followed the expansive order of bRMhan, and became abRMham. They yoked their twin and went west seeking only yama. And they knew the wide earth as their own inheritance. The yudhA have always followed the way of the sun, and of course that eventually led them to the arabian peninsula (c. 1,500-1,000 BC).

droNAcArya is known as the yuddhAcArya (military preceptor) of the pANDavas, but it was the wide ranging yAdavas who actually reached the middle east and first established an outpost of vaidika traditions (the exact origins of which soon became lost across the desert sands somewhere in the east).

soham3
29 January 2008, 03:41 AM
(1) I have read some where that kali-yuga period of 432000 years is to be divided by some number to get a figure nearing 5000 years.
(2) Following anecdote is told about the exact time when kali-yuga started :-
Yudhishthir was the king of Hastinapur ( Delhi ) then. Two farmers, Ram & Shyam, came to him. They wanted him to give judgment. Ram had sold to Shyam a piece of land for rupees one hundred. After one month, while ploughing the land, Shyam discovered a pot filled with gold coins. Shyam went to Ram to return it but Ram refused to take it saying that the pot went with the land. Shyam refused to keep it. Now both of them wanted Yudhisthir to decide. Yudhishthir asked advice from Sri Krishna who said that let the pot be kept in safe custody in the palace of the king.
After 3 years, both the farmers , with their minds having had changed, came back to Yudhishthir with their respective arguments for pot to be handed over to them.
Sri Krishna said, that is the exact moment when kaliyuga had started and they all left for Himalayas.

Pretnath
14 January 2009, 12:25 PM
Namaste all,

Your posts are very interesting, but I have a say that Krishan died at kaliyug very much and also Yadavs who fought among themselves died

The remaining women elder and children survivors were destroyed by Bheils. At that time Arjun forget all war hymns and was not able to save the remaining Yadavs. ok all knows that but tell me about something-

The place were Yadavs fought among themselves.
The place were Kalki will start.
Vishnu's Avtaars time ie- Ram in Treta, Krishan in Dwaper, Kalki in Kali and others?