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Who am i
22 April 2014, 05:24 AM
Dear Learned Members

I understand both SadGuru and God will take care of a true devotees.But why is that Sadguru is willing to change the karma of his devotee while God do not prefer to change the fate.

What is logic behind this?

devotee
22 April 2014, 06:11 AM
Namaste Wai,



I understand both SadGuru and God will take care of a true devotees.But why is that Sadguru is willing to change the karma of his devotee while God do not prefer to change the fate.


It is God alone who sends a Sadguru to a Truth Seeker. So, when Sadguru helps, it is as desired by God. Again, there is no law that God won't do it by Himself and that for changing fate a Sadguru is always needed. Actually, getting God's grace is a lot easier through a Sadguru as he can connect with God easily than a common seeker at lower spiritual level can do himself. Once seeker attains some required spiritual level, he can communicate with God as we do with any other person and seek intervention in genuine cases.

OM

c.smith
22 April 2014, 11:41 AM
Hari Om!

It is also said that God and Satguru are one. Many subscribe to this those and there are those who don't.

I am of the opinion that Sadguru is God, or rather God on Earth. Is this proper? It fits in with my current thinking and contributed to my total surrender to Guru some time back.

So, I am not totally convinced that fate is changed per se. Karma is still playing itself out regardless of circumstance. Some do and some don't even aspire to meet a Satguru in a lifetime. Those that do, again in my opinion, are very fortunate.

yajvan
22 April 2014, 03:12 PM
hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~
namasté


Dear Learned Members

willing to change the karma of his devotee

This is a finer point that one may wish to consider... karma (properly karman) occurs within the field of the 3 guna-s. When the guru talks to 'you' he is talking beyond the 3 guna-s, and is talking to the Self (ātman) that is the real 'you'. Hence he ( the guru) is talking to his own Self for this Self is the same in all that is in you ( housed in the body).
So, is the guru concerned with that which comes and goes ( body/thoughts/feelings/ideas) ? All these are the impediments that form that curtain in front of the Self. It is that which he wishes to change? He is much more interested in that Being that is changeless, that is untouched by karma. Bring that to the forefront and karma means nothing , other then the completion of actions that occur within the 3 guna-s.

So what is my point ? What karma can he 'accept' if he is changeless himself, if he is beyond the 3 guna-s ? Where can karma touch him ( or her). There must be more to this notion then meets the eye.

iti śivaṁ

Ketan1234
23 April 2014, 01:32 AM
God send sadguru to decrease your karmas and connect him with you. So the updesh give you by guru is always like GOD gives you. You must follow his saying. he will definitely shows you right path.

Who am i
23 April 2014, 03:56 AM
Hari Om!

It is also said that God and Satguru are one. Many subscribe to this those and there are those who don't.

I am of the opinion that Sadguru is God, or rather God on Earth. Is this proper? It fits in with my current thinking and contributed to my total surrender to Guru some time back.

So, I am not totally convinced that fate is changed per se. Karma is still playing itself out regardless of circumstance. Some do and some don't even aspire to meet a Satguru in a lifetime. Those that do, again in my opinion, are very fortunate.

Hi Smith

thanks for reply.I fully agree with your views.I have heard many stories of Kanchi Parmacharaya who changed the karma of his devotees.There are people still living now who witnessed his love for this devotees.

He was a living God.My opinion is that karma cant be removed but it can transferred.That is why many SadGurus suffered from various diseases (eg Ramanar suffering from cancer..etc) because they transferred devotees Karma to themself.

Who am i
23 April 2014, 04:12 AM
hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~
namasté



This is a finer point that one may wish to consider... karma (properly karman) occurs within the field of the 3 guna-s. When the guru talks to 'you' he is talking beyond the 3 guna-s, and is talking to the Self (ātman) that is the real 'you'. Hence he ( the guru) is talking to his own Self for this Self is the same in all that is in you ( housed in the body).
So, is the guru concerned with that which comes and goes ( body/thoughts/feelings/ideas) ? All these are the impediments that form that curtain in front of the Self. It is that which he wishes to change? He is much more interested in that Being that is changeless, that is untouched by karma. Bring that to the forefront and karma means nothing , other then the completion of actions that occur within the 3 guna-s.

So what is my point ? What karma can he 'accept' if he is changeless himself, if he is beyond the 3 guna-s ? Where can karma touch him ( or her). There must be more to this notion then meets the eye.

iti śivaṁ


Respected Yajvanji

Excellent reply.Thanks a lot

Ajeet
25 April 2014, 06:27 AM
Jai Shree Maa

Sadguru & God is not two entity...

Its the same. We have God in different manifestations.. like Guru,Mata(Mother),Pita(Father) .

But due to our illusions (That I am the body or the body is me...) we start discreminating..

Once we have a clean thought/ mind, we see GOD in our GURU, Maata & Pita(father) only.

God had presented himself to us in the form of our respected GURU.

Thank you so much.

Jai Shree Maa

Ajeet

jopmala
28 April 2014, 10:30 AM
pranam

who is sad guru and who is asad guru ?

jiva123
10 September 2019, 02:47 AM
Jai Srimannarayana,

Though Sunlight is essential for a lotus to blossom, it remains that way only if it stays in the pond with water. If the same lotus jumps out of the pond assuming that Sun alone is enough, the same Sun withers it! Likewise, Guru’s grace is essential to help one blossom in the love of God!

https://chinnajeeyar.org/guru-purnima-stay-bonded-with-water-to-blossom-under-the-sun/ (this beautiful analogy is given here in the last section)
https://chinnajeeyar.org/guru-purnima-vedic-wisdom-in-five-levels/ (also the greatness of Guru and his role is explained on the day of Guru Purnima here)

SuryaVedanta754
29 March 2020, 11:35 AM
I don't believe SadGuru is a real teacher. I think he is a fraud. People have to remember that all one really has to do, to fake being a true teacher...is memorize some philosophy, dress like a Guru...and take a few acting lessons on how to pretend to be holy.

Actions speak louder than words. If you look at the life of Mahatma Gandhi, there is an endless list of real world actions that he took that were incredible courageous, faithful, pure, honest and on. it is documented what a real saint he was.

he personally indicated that Swami Vivekananda was a real saint. And he also indicated that Paramahansa Yogananda was a real saint.

So, right there, you have 3 credible people.

Swami Vivekananda even joked about all the false teachers. He said, "in Bengal, the avatars grow like mushrooms."

No, saints don't grow like mushrooms...they are very rare. But frauds do grow like mushrooms and are everywhere.

Oh and Bhagwan Shree Rajnesh...now known as Osho...that is another fraud. That guy was literally accused of bio-terrorism in Oregon, USA.

Back in the 80's he had a center near here. I think he collected Rolls Royce cars and had guards who carried machine guns. Pure fraud.

Paramahansa Yogananda himself regarded Sri Ananda Moi Ma and Sri Ramana Maharishi as true saints. So there are two more. The writings of all the saints I mentioned are available, online....free.

timetraveler
30 March 2020, 12:54 AM
Namaste Surya,

Very tricky subject to discuss.

But primarily your final discernment is very true. All subjects and scriptures are free..

markandeya 108 dasa
30 March 2020, 10:49 PM
Hare Krsna surya

firstly your free to have your own opinion which you say is your belief

one important consideration is that guru is impersonal and nirguna and will act according to kala desha and patra even when talking to groups nations and the individual they will address the consciousness of the person and this can vary that is what is meant by impersonal and nirguna

what impersonal means in dharma and in western cult religious and intellect are two different things

mostly people in the west choose a guru to replace the Jesus figure in a failed religion and look for an outside leader to guide them and do all the thinking for them but this concept of Jesus is a false one when in fact Jesus was not a historical religious dictator he was a mushroom

you say VJ sadhguru is fake but for many people he is not also he does a lot of very important social welfare work in Tamil Nadu providing free food health care and education and spiritual guidance to native tribals and poor people many people like him and to pick and choose who is the right guru and wrong can often cause division

osho was a genius and also inspiration to many people conservative religious rule followers wont like him but that’s because they don’t understand what he said he was against suppression and rules that bound one from understanding ones own freedom expertly dismantled an oppressive rigid self righteous religious system that has enslaved the world for 2000 years and creates mindless zombies

he would was to say follow your freedom don’t repress don’t be bound by rules be bound by freedom and consciousness

the western society is very heavily conditioned by suppression of the church and subconscious programming of Freudian psychology, what a great mix and no wonder you come out with comments that most Americans are idiots the rest of the world would tend to agree


i don’t drink beer not because I am not allowed to because I have no desire to if I repress something falsely then there is a chance it will come back and more stronger

if osho met met a person and his freedom was little or no desire i doubt he would tell him to change

also it was Sheila behind the food poisoning and the rolls Royce’s was to outrage materialist who give importance to metal objects



ghandi is also under scrutiny by dual thinking’s linking some of policies to current problems of the day so you will have mixed opinion on that too but can one human can fully satisfie everyone

another puzzle to consider if we judge who is who by standards of mundane religious rules and morality

swami vivekanda ate meat but eating meat is a sin was he saint or sinner where do these strange concepts come from

blind followers will say he can do because he is saint but others can’t because they are not saints

sadhu is not a saint

does a sadhu think there is difference between himself and other will he feel he is more special



hence the importance to raise the level of consciousness to understand nirguna and kala desha pata or time place and circumstance

and abandon mundane religious thinking by thought police


for your consideration

Harih Om