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Trent Wilkerson
21 October 2014, 04:22 PM
Modern Physics has discovered that what we perceive as matter is, if we look closer, a swirling dance of energy. The question then becomes: What holds these patterns of energy together? Clearly, it is something outside of "themselves". This something must be a form of cosmic consciousness. The Field must have a Know-er. And the Dance must have a Dancer.

This Know-er, this Dancer, is within all of this, and yet outside. No words, numbers, or symbols can define the place where He is. This is why all the Unified Field Theories have failed. The field equations of String Theory are said to have an infinite number of possible solutions. Unfortunately, for technical reasons, we can never know which is the correct one. The same thing could be said for different schools of philosophy.

Language (and mathematics) is based on the senses and the mind. Their purpose is to divide and categorize.
They will never capture That One. They cannot go There. Only with these renounced can one go There.
And meet That Person.

This body will end in ashes.
Om.
Oh purpose remember,
Oh deed remember.

Eastern Mind
22 October 2014, 07:47 PM
Modern Physics has discovered that what we perceive as matter is, if we look closer, a swirling dance of energy. The question then becomes: What holds these patterns of energy together? Clearly, it is something outside of "themselves". This something must be a form of cosmic consciousnesses. The Field must have a Know-er. And the Dance must have a Dancer.

Vannakkam: It is no accident that a Siva Nataraja stands outside the particle accelerator in Switzerland.

https://www.facebook.com/LordShiva.TheOnlyPower/posts/406695656046691

Aum Namasivaya

Trent Wilkerson
22 October 2014, 08:18 PM
The so-called God Particle, the Higgs boson, is said to prove the presence of a field that extends throughout the universe and gives fundamental particles their existence (mass). In other words, this field exists prior to the existence of matter. Let us be clear what science is saying here. The primary reality is the field. This field comes before matter. The structure of the universe cannot, therefore, be derived from matter. The root is above and the branches below. It is important to remember that this is physics we are discussing. (grin)

So is the four dimensional space-time continuum merely the flip-side of consciousness? Einstein proved that matter and energy are equivalent. When one looks outwardly one sees the "machinery" of consciousness spread out in space and time. And when one looks inwardly, one becomes aware of the unity. But there is another element. Something (or someone) had to set this all in motion.

In the beginning desire arose in the One, of thought the product.

kallol
22 October 2014, 11:47 PM
Om

Namaste :)

The same wave is in continuum through out transcending gross matters and subtle matters.

Even the minds (subtle matter) have this wave. The constant changing mind is the example of it.

Nataraja Shiva represents this constant dance of the cosmic wave.

Now is this wave (frequency / wavelength) fixed or constant ? Who or what is driving this waves or the changes of its characteristics ?

How is this wave related to the related to the manifestation and un-manifestation ?

savithru
24 October 2014, 01:12 AM
Empirical reality is an illusion, it is only a state of mind. This empirical universe is no different to a dream. Science is a complete hoax. Stars, planets and galaxies do not exist out there independent of us.

satay
24 October 2014, 10:40 AM
Namaste,


Empirical reality is an illusion, it is only a state of mind.

That's the best oxymoron I have heard in a while. Empirical yet illusion.:D

savithru
24 October 2014, 11:44 AM
Namaste,



That's the best oxymoron I have heard in a while. Empirical yet illusion.:D

Or in other words knowledge obtained from our senses cannot be trusted. In the west the opposite view is known as Empiricism and it was used to convey that Empiricism is false.

Believer
25 October 2014, 12:51 AM
Namaste,


Science is a complete hoax. Stars, planets and galaxies do not exist out there independent of us.

I wish you had told me about science being a hoax before I spent umpteen years learning about science and its applications. :)

Pranam.

savithru
25 October 2014, 08:10 AM
Namaste,



I wish you had told me about science being a hoax before I spent umpteen years learning about science and its applications. :)

Pranam.

Thank God I didn't pursued my career in the Pure Sciences.

satay
25 October 2014, 08:00 PM
Namaste savi


Thank God I didn't pursued my career in the Pure Sciences.

Science has its limitations but it's definitely not a hoax. It demands a repeatable verifiable evidence for the argument, assertion or proposal anyone makes. This I beleive is its strength and ironically it is also science's biggest weakness. By limiting itself to verifiable repeatable evidence it has closed the door on all the mysteries that exist in this universe and in our lives.

Science may never discover the mystery of the universe yet it has figured out how to cure many diseases of the body. We cannot just be dismissive of that fact and call it a hoax.

satay
25 October 2014, 08:04 PM
Namaste
Just wondering about your post out loud.

Why must there be a 'person' or the 'one'? Why can't there be just conciousness.


Modern Physics has discovered that what we perceive as matter is, if we look closer, a swirling dance of energy. The question then becomes: What holds these patterns of energy together? Clearly, it is something outside of "themselves". This something must be a form of cosmic consciousness. The Field must have a Know-er. And the Dance must have a Dancer.

This Know-er, this Dancer, is within all of this, and yet outside. No words, numbers, or symbols can define the place where He is. This is why all the Unified Field Theories have failed. The field equations of String Theory are said to have an infinite number of possible solutions. Unfortunately, for technical reasons, we can never know which is the correct one. The same thing could be said for different schools of philosophy.

Language (and mathematics) is based on the senses and the mind. Their purpose is to divide and categorize.
They will never capture That One. They cannot go There. Only with these renounced can one go There.
And meet That Person.

This body will end in ashes.
Om.
Oh purpose remember,
Oh deed remember.

Trent Wilkerson
26 October 2014, 07:43 AM
This is where language fails. Does Cosmic Consciousness perceive itself as a person or is "it" pure, disembodied awareness. The answer is that unity cannot be described by a thought-system that is inherently dualistic. The answer is never the answer. A lot of people over the millinia have thought that they have found the ultimate answer, but all they really found were words. It is human nature to get overly exited about them. If one seeks the Mystery instead of the answer, one will always be seeking. The need for Mystery is greater than the need for an answer.

P.S. This is not to say that philosophy cannot be interesting, or even inspiring. It's just important to remember that the ultimate cannot, and never will, be adequately expressed in words. It can only be experienced. This is why we are here, and the journey back to unity is the highest gift the gods can bestow. Experience of the transcendent is the greatest bliss. There are, of course, many different "skillful means" to achieve this.

Mana
26 October 2014, 08:26 AM
Namaste,

I must say; for all the empirical proof of reality other than that which illusions are worth; these plastic typewriter like thingies upon which we are communicating, are very handy device type illusions.

Kind regards.

savithru
26 October 2014, 11:08 AM
Namaste savi
Science has its limitations but it's definitely not a hoax. It demands a repeatable verifiable evidence for the argument, assertion or proposal anyone makes. This I beleive is its strength and ironically it is also science's biggest weakness. By limiting itself to verifiable repeatable evidence it has closed the door on all the mysteries that exist in this universe and in our lives.

Science may never discover the mystery of the universe yet it has figured out how to cure many diseases of the body. We cannot just be dismissive of that fact and call it a hoax.

Have you ever had a dream? While you are dreaming for that moment you believe that the content of your dream is real and when you come out of your dream you will know it was all just a dream. The same with this universe, it is all just a dream. Science is bullshit.

satay
26 October 2014, 12:21 PM
Namaste


Have you ever had a dream? Science is bullshit.

Not sure what to say to that other than that the thing you used to type the words was invented because of discoveries of science. :cool1:

Mana
26 October 2014, 01:17 PM
Namaste,

On another note:

I like to muse that; given current accepted scientific axioms, a Stradivarius violin defies scientific logic, because it is not reproducable under experimental conditions ...

Why are those master luthier so very rare?

savithru
27 October 2014, 01:36 AM
Namaste

Not sure what to say to that other than that the thing you used to type the words was invented because of discoveries of science. :cool1:

Yeah they have invented it in their dreams.


According to contemporary teacher Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche, all appearances perceived during the whole life of an individual, through all senses, including sounds, smells, tastes and tactile sensations in their totality, are like a big dream. It is claimed that, on careful examination, the dream of life and regular nightly dreams are not very different, and that in their essential nature there is no difference between them.

silence_speaks
27 October 2014, 11:15 AM
Dear savithru ji and Friends,
:) It is indeed undoubtedly true that this world is a Dream and nothing more!

People who disagree should read : Vaitathya prakaranam of mandukya upanishad and Yoga Vasishta Maha Ramayanam !


That said, when we are discussing about science , we are discussing at one level... and we should not drag a higher level idea into it.

Its like ... suppose i am playing the role of a rama and someone asks "are you rama or hanuman" and i say "i am neither" ... the question was within the context... he wants to know what am i in the drama ... same way... we should be clear of the context.

Science is the "LAW" of this world [this dream]. The "LAW" or the "ORDER" is ... what is being observed and formalized.

Even in your dream ... your dream law holds true ! within the context there is a certain law... may be different from this world !!


So ... while we do not disagree that the world is a dream... when we are talking about science the context is different ...



Love!
Silence

satay
27 October 2014, 01:30 PM
Admin Note

Namaste,

Closing thread as the discussion has drifted from OP.