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orlando
13 April 2006, 03:47 AM
Namaste all.
I am not sure if meat,fish and eggs are rajasic or tamasic foods,but of course they are not sattvik foods.
Even among vegetarian foods there are rajasic and tamasic foods.
Srimad Vedanta Desika,a great member of Ramanuja-sampradaya wrote a work called Aagaara Aiyamam where he says what foods can be eaten and what foods must be avoided by someone anspiring for a sattvik nature.
This work is made of 21 tamil verses.
The translation is of Parthasarati Dileepan.

aagaara_niyamam


thaniyan

seeraarum vEdhaantha dhEsi garkOn
sezhumaRaiyi NnutporuLaich sindhai seydhE
yaaraayndhu vaazhvuRavip puviyOr thangat
kanbudanE yaagaara niyathi sonnaa
NnEraaru methiraasa raruLi NnaalE
yedhirnthavargaL singamena vingu vandhOn
seeraarum vEngadavan RooppuR piLLai
sezhunthiirutthaa LiNaimalaren senni mElE.


aagaarath thiruvagaiyaa nanRun^ theethu
marumaRaikoN dethiraasa rivaimo zindhaa
raagaadha vazhivilakki yaakkuNG kaNNa
Nnanaitthulagum vaazhavidhu saaRRi vaitthaan
pOgaathu pOkkuvikku munivar sonna
poyyaatha mozhigaLaiyum porundhak kENmi
Nnaagaathen Ravaithavirnthaa madhuvE koNda
vasagaranu maakangaath tharuLpeR RaanE. [1]

vaayilallaa vaayilinaal vandha sORum
varagumudha laagaathen Ruraittha sORum
vaayininRum vizhumavaithaam patta sORum
vaaykkoNda kavaLatthin migundha sORun^
theeyavar_kaN paduncOrun^ theethaR sOruNY
seeraiyurai thummalivai patta sORu
naaymudhalaa Nnavaipaarkkun^ theeNduNY sORu
naadooythal laaccORu naNNaach sORE. [2]

manisar_pasu mudhalaanOr mOndha sORu
manisar_thami laagaathaar theeNduNY sORu
minimaiyuda Nnaatharamil laathaar sORu
meeppuzhun^oon mayirugirga LirukkuNY sORu
munivarenun^ thuRavaRtthO reendha sORu
munivar_thangaL paatthiratthiR patta sORu
manisareli kukkudangaL kaagam poonai
vaaykkoNda kaRisORu maruvaach sORE. [3]

atthigaLpE raarkkiRali veNkath thaari
yaalarasu naRuvilipuNG kaayi laarai
putthikolli kuRincithaanRi kusumbai vELai
punamurungai murungaisuga muLari yuLLi
siRRavarai kommatti paNNai thoyyil
seengaadan RERaloovai panaima yooran
sutthiyilaa nilatthilavai kadambu kaaLaan
suraipeerkkuch saNandhinnaar suruthi yOrE. [4]

siRukeerai sevvagatthi murukki raNduNY
siRupasaLai perumpasaLai yamma NandhaaL
paRitthoruvar kodaathirukkath thaanE senRu
paaynthedutthuk kuLLumavai pagiraak kooRuNG
kuRitthaalun^ thinnavoNaak kaippu varppuNG
koorkkumavai yazhalumavai kodumpu LippuNG
kaRikkaagaa vivaiyenRu kaNdu raitthaar
kaarmEni yaruLaaLar kadakath thaarE. [5]

maalamudhu seyyaamal vandha vellaam
varuvirundhil vazhangaamal vaittha vellaaNG
kaalamidhu vanRenRu kazhittha vellaaNG
kadaiyinvaruNG kaRi mudhala kazhuvaa vellaa
noolisaiyaa vazhikaLinaal vandha vellaa
nugaraadha thudanparakaNY seydha vellaaNY
seelamilaach siRiyOraak kinivu nallOr
selamalangaL pattanavun^ thinnaar thaamE. [6]

dhEvarkaLuk kivaiyenRu vaittha vellaaNY
sivanmudhalaath dhEvarkaLuk kitta vellaa
maavimudha laanavaRRuk kaakaa vellaa
madhuvidhuven RaRiyavari thaana vellaa
naavilidu vadhaRkarithaa yiruppa vellaa
nanRenRu thammuLLa misaiyaa vellaa
mOviyan^aa LOvaadha poovuNG kaayu
mutthamarka Lattuppu mugavaar thaamE. [7]

kiLincinmudhal suttanasuN Naambu thaanuNG
kiLarpunali lezhungumizhi nuraika daamum
viLaindhathanin mudhanmaaluk keeyaa vellaam
viLaindhan^ila maRugaampen Rezhundha vellaaNG
kaLaindhamanath thaarmaRRuNG kazhittha vellaaNG
kadiyamuthi Nniyamatthaar kazhittha vellaaNG
theLindhapunaR RiruvEnga datthu maaRan
RiruvaaNai kadavaathaar thinnaar thaamE. [8]

mEralathu saarangaL vaangiR Rellaa
muzhuppagalil viLanganiyun^ thaanan^ thaanu
mOriravi leLLudanE koodiR Rellaa
meLlathani leNNeythayir tharupaN daanga
LOr_thavatthai mandhiratthai yozhippa vellaa
muNNaatha naatkaLiloo Nandhip pOthoo
NaaraNanaa radipaNiyu nallOr naaLu
naLLiravi looNumivai yuNNar thaamE. [9]

kuLimudhalaa Nnavaiseyyaa thuNNu mooNuNG
koottallaap pndhiyilooN piRarkai yooNu
naLimathithee viLakkaaga vuNNu mooNu
naLLiravil viLakkinRi yuNNu mooNuNG
kiLimozhiyaa LooNaan^iRkak kaNava NnooNuNG
keezhOrai nOkkooNu midakkai yooNu
moLimaRaiyOr maRRumuga vaadha vooNu
moLiyaranga radipaNivaa rugavaar thaamE. [10]

ecchiRanil vaarkkun^n^ey yirupaa kanga
LirumpaaluNG kaiyaalu mitta vellaam
pacchaiyalaaR kaditthakuRai pazhaiya voosal
piRaragatthup paagancey theduttha vanna
nacchinavai pazhitthavaimaN NaaRRan^ theethu
nagatthaalE viNavaithaaNG kaaNU mooppum
picchuLathaa mavaikaadi pinnai paagam
pisinkadaniR sivandhathuvum pizhaiyoo NaamE. [11]


thaathain^allaa siriyanmudhaR Ramaiya Nnecchi
RaraNisurar sOmatthi lirundhu mecchin
maadhaakadakuk kaNavanitha maana vecchin
mayirpuzhun^ool vizhundhaalum punidha maNNin
maadhavatthuk kooviLangaay mugavaa satthu
maadhuLangaay maraNamvariR kazhittha vellaa
mOthivaittha vuNNaan^aa Lukandha vettu
muLavenRuNG kazhitthavaRRi NnanRaa mooNE.
[12]

maakarumbin saaRuthayir paaney paakku
vaLaimiLagu thEnElam panin^ee raathi
yaagarasan^ thooythaagu maRiyaa vellaa
maRiyaathaark kaRiyaLavun^ thooya vaaguNY
saagaranga dooyanavaa moovaakkaL koodiR
salamellaaNG gangaiyathaa muparaa katthin
maagarangaL piNamudhalaa manaitthuNG koNdu
varupunalun^ thooyathaagum vEgath thaalE. [13]

theeyaalE neerozhiya vEndha vellaan^
theeyidutha lozhindhidavE pazhuttha vellaan^
theeyaalu neeraalum vendha vaRRiR
RERavular nellumudha laana vellaa
moosaadha maavadaka mappaNY seedai
yurottimudha laamavaRRiR pazhaiya thEnuNG
koosaathE koNdidumin puthiya thEnuNG
koLLEnmin RannirathaNG kulaindhak kaalE. [14]

thalaippayanaam vigaarangaL saaga dangaL
sakkaranga danakkadaittha marundhu thaanuNG
kalakkamilaa nanneeril vaittha sORum
kaRimOrn^ey paaRayir_kaL kalandha sORum
vilakkamilaa maakkannaR kOthu matthaal
viLaivuRavaak kiyan^alvi kaaran^ thaanu
milaikkaRipO livaiyanaitthum pazhaiya vEnu
men^n^aaLum vaitthuNNa visaigin RaarE. [15]

thayirthannin vigaarangaL pooviR kaayiR
pazhatthilvaruNY saaRoosa Rooya vaagu
muyirazhiyaa maikkuNNaa voosa luNNi
luRakkazhuvi neythEnit tuNNa laagum
payinmaRain^oo luraiyaatha pazhaiya voosal
pazhippilathaa neyyaalen Ruraitthaan sangan
mayirmudhalaa Nnavaipinnum patta thaayin
maNNeermaR RuraitthavaRRaal varanga LaamE. [16]

orukuLambi yirukanRi yotta kappaa
luppudanpaan mOrudanpaan maadhar thampaal
karuvudaiya vaRRinpaal kanRi laappaan
maRukanRaaR kaRandhidumpaa Ririndhi dumpaa
RirumaLaar kaNavanalaath dheyvath thinpEr
sinnamudai yavaRRinpaal semma Rippaal
parivathilan^ thaNarvilaippaal sembi NniRpaa
Reethaampaa livaiyanaitthum parugaap paalE. [17]

gangaiyalla thiraNdaan^aaL vaittha neeruNG
kaalkazhivi migun^eeruNG kalanga Nneerun^
thenginuLa thaayttheeyaaR kaayndha neeruNY
siRukuzhin^eer vazhitthaNNeerp pandha NneeruNY
sangaiyudai neervaNNaan RuRaiyi Nneerun^
thaaraiyinaa lEcchilithu venRa neeruNY
sangukala maakkoNdu parugu neerun^
tharaiyilvizhaa mazhain^eerun^ thaviru neerE. [18]

veRRilaimun RinnaathE thinnum paakkum
veRRilaiyi Nnadin^uniyu naduvi leerkum
veRRilaiyum paakkumudan koottith thinnum
vidhavaikku mudhanmudivaach siramath thaarkkum
veRRilaiyuNY suNNaambi Nnilaiyu maRRum
viradhangoN didun^aaLveR Rilaiyum paakkum
veRRilaithin Nnaan^iRkap parugu neerum
vidhaiyenavaith thathuthinalum vilakki NnaarE. [19]

saathiguNa maacchiraman^ dhEsaNG kaalan^
tharumanga NimitthangaN mudhalaa vOthum
pOthamudha laagavoru thiravi yandhaan
parindhun^alan^ theenginaiyum peRRu niRkum
paathamisaip piRanthOrkkuk kabilai yinpaal
parugidalaa kaathenRu maRaiyOr sonnaa
rathalinaa lOthiyuNarn^ thavarpaa lellaa
madikkadiyuNG kEttayarvu theermi NneerE. [20]

kangiruLaal vidiyaadha vulaguk kellaNG
kaiviLakkaa mivaiyenRu kaNnan kaattum
pongupuga zhaagamanga deLiyach sonna
poruLivain^aam puNNiyar_paaR kEttuch sonnO
mangudalum poruLumalla thaRiyaa maandhar
valaiyuLagap pattuvaram pazhiyaa thenRum
pangayamaa thuRRavaru LaaLar thampaaR
patthimigu pavitthirangaL payinmi NneerE. [21]

seeraar thooppil thiruvEngadamudaiyaan thiruvadigaLE
saraNam.

orlando
13 April 2006, 03:48 AM
[1]
All chEthanaas must understand that there are two kinds
of foods, those that are ennobling (saathveega) and those
that are debasing (thaamasa). These are described by
KaNNan in sri bagavath geethai, by Ethiraajaa in
srimadh geethaa bhaashyam, and by many rishees in
many saasthraas and smrithees. By following these
principles, ajakaran attained mOksham. Likewise, we
must understand and follow these rules.

[2] Forbidden foods:
- Foods that are not brought into the house through
the main door.
- grains such as varagu, etc.
- foods that mingle with stuff that have fallen from
the mouth
- remainder of what was put into the mouth
- foods seen by immoral people
- foods that are burnt
- foods touched by clothes, or contaminated by
saliva or sneeze.
- foods seen or touched by dogs
- foods cooked on days such as Ekaadhasi

[3] forbidden foods continued...
- foods smelt by animals or people
- foods touched by people with decease
- foods that are not offered with kindness
- foods contacted by fly, worm, thread, hair, and
nail
- foods offered by sanyaasi or touched by his vessel
- foods touched by the mouth of people, rats,
chicken, crow, and cat.

[4]
This paasruam lists the vegetables that are forbidden. I
can't recognize many of them. Of the ones I am able to
recognize, I don't know the English names. The rest are
listed below.

white eggplant, lotus stem, garlic, certain kinds of
spinach, mushroom, certain kinds of drumstick

[5] More forbidden foods:
Vegetables taken from other's garden without
permission, portion that is set aside for oneself prior to
the partaking of the rest of the group, foods that are
exceedingly bitter, salty, pepper hot, or sour.

[6] More forbidden foods:
Foods that were not offered to our Lord, foods that were
not offered to the guests, foods that were cooked without
first cleaning them, foods earned in immoral ways,
cooked with other foods that are forbidden, cooked by
unclean children, and foods that are contaminated by
excrements.

[7] forbidden foods continued...
- foods intended for dEvathaas
- foods offered to dEvathaas such as Sivan
- foods that harm our praaNan and indhriyam
- foods that are unrecognizable
- foods that are intolerably hot
- foods that are not palatable to the mind
- vegetables and flowers that bloom in an untimely
fashion
- dirty salt.

[8] forbidden foods continued...
- Calcium (suNNaambu) extracted from sea shells
- bubbles and froth from water
- foods that are not offered to our Lord
- harvested from the stems that were previously
harvested
- foods avoided by learned persons with pure heart

[9] forbidden foods continued...
- Foods from which the essence is taken out, except
buttermilk
- viLaam fruit and popped rice during the day
- foods prepared with curd and sesame seed oil,
during night time
- foods that are said to give magical powers
- no foods on Ekaadasi days, and at dusk or
midnight.

[10] Do not eat,
- before your shower and sandhya japam
- alone, eat with a group of bhakthaas
- foods that are mashed by someone else
- under the moonlight or fire
- husband and wife together
- while staring at inferior individuals
- with your left hand
- anything that is avoided by religious people.

[11] Do not eat,
- ghee that is served after you have begun eating
- foods that have been cooked twice (reheated?)
- foods served by bare hand or spatulas made of
iron, uncooked foods may be served by bare hand
- foods already bitten into,
- old, and spoilt foods
- foods prepared in someone else's house (no
potluck)
- foods that someone else wanted or rejected
- foods with smell of earth, or separated by finger
nails, salt that you can see
- separated for one self and guests
- sap coming out of trees, except asafoetida.

Foods that may be accepted are listed now.
[12] Accept without hesitation,
- foods with the saliva of one's father, teacher, and
first older brother
- Saliva in the sOmaa vessel during sOma yaagam
- foods with husband's saliva for wife, if such food
is contaminated with hair, worm, or thread, these
may be removed properly and the food accepted
- maadhuLangaay, only during our Lord's muga
vaaSa soorNam
- all prohibited foods during calamitous times
- water, roots, ghee, milk, havis from yaagam,
nimandhraNam, guru's teachings, and medicine
may be accepted even during fasting days.

[13] Accept without hesitation,
- sugar cane juice, yogurt, milk, ghee, beetle nut,
pepper, honey, cardamon, water made from snow
- anything until you realize its blemish
Dip in the ocean is permitted on full moon day and new
moon day. During times of lunar and solar eclipse all
waters will be considered equal to gangaa water; water
in rivers, even if it carries horses, donkeys and cadaver,
will become purified with current.

[14] Accept without hesitation,
- foods cooked without water
- fruits ripened on their own accord
- boiled rice
- vadaam, snacks such as appam, seedai, rotti, even
if they are old, but tasty; do not accept foods that
are fresh, but not tasty

[15] Accept without hesitation,
- Foods prepared with milk, like thirattuppaal
- snacks like thEnkuzhal, muRukku, etc.,
- medicines prescribed by physicians, flower,
vellam, wheat
- old rice that is soaked in clean water may be taken
with buttermilk, ghee, milk, yogurt

[16] Accept without hesitation,
- snacks made of yogurt and juice of flower,
vegetables, and fruits; these are OK even if they
are slightly spoilt.
- foods that are spoilt may be taken during
calamitous times by cleansing them and adding
ghee and honey. If these foods are further
contaminated with hair or other unclean stuff,
cleanse them with sand and water.

[17] Forbidden milk
- milk from one hoofed animals like horse or
donkey
- cow that has twin calf, or camel milk
- salt added milk
- milk from women
- milk from pregnant cow
- milk extracted with the help of calf that does not
belong to the cow
- cows that belong to temples (?)
- goat milk, milk bought from brahmins
- milk kept in copper vessels, burnt milk

[18] Forbidden water
- Water from previous day, except gangaa water
- remainder of water used for cleaning feet
- murky water
- heated coconut water
- water gathered in a ditch
- water offered in "water-sheds"
- doubtful water, water taken from where
washermen work
- water contaminated by saliva
- water from conch
- rain water that has not fallen on the ground

[19] about beetle leaves
- don't chew beetle nut without beetle leaves
- don't consume the bottom, stem, or tip of beetle
leaves
- don't chew beetle leaves and nuts at the same time
- widows, sanyaasi, and bachelors must not
consume beetle leaves
- don't consume the beetle leaf used to keep calcium
- never use beetle leaves on fasting days such as
Ekaadasi
- don't drink water while chewing beetle leaves

[20]
A particular food item may be acceptable or forbidden
based on the caste, stage in life, geography, time of
eclipse, individual dharmam, etc., etc. For example, it is
said that milk from kapilai cow is acceptable for
brahmins, but forbidden for shudraas. Therefore, one
must approach learned people and get your doubts
clarified.

[21]
For the benefit of people who live in this world
characterized by lack of wisdom, Lord kaNNan showed
many principles in saasthraas. After consulting with
aachaaryaas these principles have been laid out in this
prabhandam. Guard yourself against the agnostics who
believe only in this transient body and world. Consume
only those saathvega foods that helps us amplify our
devotion to the thiruvadi of pEraruLaaLan.

Regards,
Orlando.

Namo Narayana
13 April 2006, 07:22 AM
what are the vegetable names that you are not able to recognise ? are they in tamil ?

orlando
13 April 2006, 10:32 AM
Namaste all.
Dear Namo Narayana,please note that I just copied the english translation from a website.Parthasarati Dileepan,the translator,has wrote:"This paasruam lists the vegetables that are forbidden. I
can't recognize many of them. Of the ones I am able to
recognize, I don't know the English names. The rest are
listed below."

Regards,
Orlando.

mblova
05 July 2006, 02:52 PM
What is this about how a man cannot eat with his wife. Can you explain this more? and is this seen more in the southern side of hinduism or more of a northern aspect.

satay
05 July 2006, 03:03 PM
What is this about how a man cannot eat with his wife. Can you explain this more? and is this seen more in the southern side of hinduism or more of a northern aspect.

Where does it say man can not eat with his wife?

mblova
05 July 2006, 04:12 PM
[1]
All chEthanaas must understand that there are two kinds
of foods, those that are ennobling (saathveega) and those
that are debasing (thaamasa). These are described by
KaNNan in sri bagavath geethai, by Ethiraajaa in
srimadh geethaa bhaashyam, and by many rishees in
many saasthraas and smrithees. By following these
principles, ajakaran attained mOksham. Likewise, we
must understand and follow these rules.

[2] Forbidden foods:
- Foods that are not brought into the house through
the main door.
- grains such as varagu, etc.
- foods that mingle with stuff that have fallen from
the mouth
- remainder of what was put into the mouth
- foods seen by immoral people
- foods that are burnt
- foods touched by clothes, or contaminated by
saliva or sneeze.
- foods seen or touched by dogs
- foods cooked on days such as Ekaadhasi

[3] forbidden foods continued...
- foods smelt by animals or people
- foods touched by people with decease
- foods that are not offered with kindness
- foods contacted by fly, worm, thread, hair, and
nail
- foods offered by sanyaasi or touched by his vessel
- foods touched by the mouth of people, rats,
chicken, crow, and cat.

[4]
This paasruam lists the vegetables that are forbidden. I
can't recognize many of them. Of the ones I am able to
recognize, I don't know the English names. The rest are
listed below.

white eggplant, lotus stem, garlic, certain kinds of
spinach, mushroom, certain kinds of drumstick

[5] More forbidden foods:
Vegetables taken from other's garden without
permission, portion that is set aside for oneself prior to
the partaking of the rest of the group, foods that are
exceedingly bitter, salty, pepper hot, or sour.

[6] More forbidden foods:
Foods that were not offered to our Lord, foods that were
not offered to the guests, foods that were cooked without
first cleaning them, foods earned in immoral ways,
cooked with other foods that are forbidden, cooked by
unclean children, and foods that are contaminated by
excrements.

[7] forbidden foods continued...
- foods intended for dEvathaas
- foods offered to dEvathaas such as Sivan
- foods that harm our praaNan and indhriyam
- foods that are unrecognizable
- foods that are intolerably hot
- foods that are not palatable to the mind
- vegetables and flowers that bloom in an untimely
fashion
- dirty salt.

[8] forbidden foods continued...
- Calcium (suNNaambu) extracted from sea shells
- bubbles and froth from water
- foods that are not offered to our Lord
- harvested from the stems that were previously
harvested
- foods avoided by learned persons with pure heart

[9] forbidden foods continued...
- Foods from which the essence is taken out, except
buttermilk
- viLaam fruit and popped rice during the day
- foods prepared with curd and sesame seed oil,
during night time
- foods that are said to give magical powers
- no foods on Ekaadasi days, and at dusk or
midnight.

[10] Do not eat,
- before your shower and sandhya japam
- alone, eat with a group of bhakthaas
- foods that are mashed by someone else
- under the moonlight or fire
- husband and wife together
- while staring at inferior individuals
- with your left hand
- anything that is avoided by religious people.

[11] Do not eat,
- ghee that is served after you have begun eating
- foods that have been cooked twice (reheated?)
- foods served by bare hand or spatulas made of
iron, uncooked foods may be served by bare hand
- foods already bitten into,
- old, and spoilt foods
- foods prepared in someone else's house (no
potluck)
- foods that someone else wanted or rejected
- foods with smell of earth, or separated by finger
nails, salt that you can see
- separated for one self and guests
- sap coming out of trees, except asafoetida.

Foods that may be accepted are listed now.
[12] Accept without hesitation,
- foods with the saliva of one's father, teacher, and
first older brother
- Saliva in the sOmaa vessel during sOma yaagam
- foods with husband's saliva for wife, if such food
is contaminated with hair, worm, or thread, these
may be removed properly and the food accepted
- maadhuLangaay, only during our Lord's muga
vaaSa soorNam
- all prohibited foods during calamitous times
- water, roots, ghee, milk, havis from yaagam,
nimandhraNam, guru's teachings, and medicine
may be accepted even during fasting days.

[13] Accept without hesitation,
- sugar cane juice, yogurt, milk, ghee, beetle nut,
pepper, honey, cardamon, water made from snow
- anything until you realize its blemish
Dip in the ocean is permitted on full moon day and new
moon day. During times of lunar and solar eclipse all
waters will be considered equal to gangaa water; water
in rivers, even if it carries horses, donkeys and cadaver,
will become purified with current.

[14] Accept without hesitation,
- foods cooked without water
- fruits ripened on their own accord
- boiled rice
- vadaam, snacks such as appam, seedai, rotti, even
if they are old, but tasty; do not accept foods that
are fresh, but not tasty

[15] Accept without hesitation,
- Foods prepared with milk, like thirattuppaal
- snacks like thEnkuzhal, muRukku, etc.,
- medicines prescribed by physicians, flower,
vellam, wheat
- old rice that is soaked in clean water may be taken
with buttermilk, ghee, milk, yogurt

[16] Accept without hesitation,
- snacks made of yogurt and juice of flower,
vegetables, and fruits; these are OK even if they
are slightly spoilt.
- foods that are spoilt may be taken during
calamitous times by cleansing them and adding
ghee and honey. If these foods are further
contaminated with hair or other unclean stuff,
cleanse them with sand and water.

[17] Forbidden milk
- milk from one hoofed animals like horse or
donkey
- cow that has twin calf, or camel milk
- salt added milk
- milk from women
- milk from pregnant cow
- milk extracted with the help of calf that does not
belong to the cow
- cows that belong to temples (?)
- goat milk, milk bought from brahmins
- milk kept in copper vessels, burnt milk

[18] Forbidden water
- Water from previous day, except gangaa water
- remainder of water used for cleaning feet
- murky water
- heated coconut water
- water gathered in a ditch
- water offered in "water-sheds"
- doubtful water, water taken from where
washermen work
- water contaminated by saliva
- water from conch
- rain water that has not fallen on the ground

[19] about beetle leaves
- don't chew beetle nut without beetle leaves
- don't consume the bottom, stem, or tip of beetle
leaves
- don't chew beetle leaves and nuts at the same time
- widows, sanyaasi, and bachelors must not
consume beetle leaves
- don't consume the beetle leaf used to keep calcium
- never use beetle leaves on fasting days such as
Ekaadasi
- don't drink water while chewing beetle leaves

[20]
A particular food item may be acceptable or forbidden
based on the caste, stage in life, geography, time of
eclipse, individual dharmam, etc., etc. For example, it is
said that milk from kapilai cow is acceptable for
brahmins, but forbidden for shudraas. Therefore, one
must approach learned people and get your doubts
clarified.

[21]
For the benefit of people who live in this world
characterized by lack of wisdom, Lord kaNNan showed
many principles in saasthraas. After consulting with
aachaaryaas these principles have been laid out in this
prabhandam. Guard yourself against the agnostics who
believe only in this transient body and world. Consume
only those saathvega foods that helps us amplify our
devotion to the thiruvadi of pEraruLaaLan.

Regards,
Orlando.

quoted

Sudarshan
06 July 2006, 05:19 AM
What is this about how a man cannot eat with his wife. Can you explain this more? and is this seen more in the southern side of hinduism or more of a northern aspect.

This is followed to this day. The technical significance runs into many reasons. The primary reason to avoid eating together- If the food got poisoned somehow for reasons beyond control, both will be simultaneously affected. If the husband took the food first, or vice versa, the contamination is possibly detected before the wife eats and rescue operation can begin. One member in the family always eats after everybody else has taken food, and it is usually the wife. This practice is there in many ashrams too.

mblova
08 July 2006, 09:52 AM
I understand the eating before/after, but the part i underlined explicitly states that they should not eat together.

Sudarshan
08 July 2006, 10:26 AM
If one has to eat before or after the other, then they cant eat together.:)

mblova
11 July 2006, 11:20 AM
Wha ti meant to say is that, one starts before or after.

Parnah Dhanika
21 July 2006, 11:47 AM
how a man cannot eat with his wife Some quotes from satyaarth prakaash (which are satisfactory, regardless of whether you pertain to arya samaaji ideas or no):

Q. Is there any harm in eating together, i.e., out of the same dish?
A.~ Yes, it is harmful, because people differ in their nature and constitutions, etc., from each other. Just as one is eating out of the same dish with a leper* is apt to catch disease, likewise eating with other people is always liable to produce evil results. It can never do any good.

Q. How will you then interpret the text "Let a pupil eat Uchhistha (the leaving of ) his preceptor"?
A.~ It means that a pupil should serve his tutor first and after he ahs finished his meal, let the pupil himself eat of what is left - behind not as leavings but what has not been used by the teacher and is still kept separately. This is only implies that the teacher should have his meal before his pupil.

Q. If the use of all kinds of leavings is forbidden, honey - the leaving of bees, milk - the leavings of calves, and one's own leavings - the food left after one had taken one morsel out of it - should also be forbidden.
A.~ Honey comes under this description only nominally. It is really the essence of many a medicinal plant, hence it is acceptable. The calf can only drink the milk that comes out of the teats of its mother, but not what is inside. Therefore the milk, that is obtained by milking a cow after the calf has sucked it off the teats cannot be called leavings. But it is proper that the udder and teats should be carefully washed and cleansed with pure water after the calf has had its share, before the cow is milked, and the milking vessel should also be dept perfectly clean.
One's own leavings can do no harm to oneself. Even nature clearly teaches us that it is wrong to eat another man's leavings. No one feels any great repugnance in touching the secretions from one's own nose, mouth, ears and organs of reproduction, micturition and defecation,, but one does so in the case of others. It proves, therefore, that this practice is not against the laws of nature. No one, therefore, should eat the leavings of or in the same dish with another.

Q. Should not even husband and wife eat each other's leavings?
A.~ No, even their natures and constitutions differ?


* - Substitute the word 'leper' with a contagious disease and his reply is consistent with modern times...