yajvan
26 May 2007, 02:52 PM
Hari Om
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Quote:
Originally Posted by willie http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?p=12543#post12543)
Let's just take a look at the lasting power of the knowledge contained in these so called holybooks. The vedas , for all they are claimed to say , don't really say anything about reincarnation.
Namaste Willie,
I wanted to be sure that your post does not go un-noticed as it can open up new dialog , and discussion for others (too).
That is, perhaps others gain perspective on the questions you have asked, & info you have stated. This is very specific to the comments on the Veda's and reincarnation. It does not address the othe points residing in your previous post found in "Dead?"
Today is Ganga Dashara, to bestow purity in one's life. May this post in some way help me and perhaps assist others that read this post with sattva.
More info is will always be provided upon request, yet a foundation is needed to insure that the knowledge has a home.
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Revisiting your questions and statements:
Let me add clarity here if I may. This notion of reincarnation is clearly pointed out in the Chandogya Upanishad and is part of the Panchagni Vidya told to Svetaketu. The first question given to Svetaketu by his guru in this case a king (Pravahana Jaivali) is " Do you know where people go after they depart from this world?" Svetaketu answers, ' no I do not' - now begins the instruction.
Perhaps you will procalim, 'yes but that is in the Upanishads'... Willie, the Upanishads are part and parcel the Vedas. As are the Brahmana's. Chandogya Upanishad is part and parcel of the Sama Ved. So the structure of the ved is Samhita, Brahmana, Aranaka and Upanishads - these are the Veda's divisions. Each serve a purpose.
Veda means knowledge, as you know. Perhaps you are thinking of the mantra portion (samhita) of the veda's no doubt. They have a specific purpose. As do the Brahmana's (deals with Brahman, and contain the rules for employing the samhita or mantra portion of the Veda), Aranaka's (forest books) and the Upanishads ( Upa= near + ni=down+ sad= to sit, yet also 'truth).
Reading the mantra portion is of a different method and intent. If you are reading the Rig Ved mantra portion (samhita), that portion has a specific application. The mantra portion of the veda's are MORE about sound and meter - mantra and chandas, then about the WORDs and meaning. This concept is not easily discussed and is not a entry level discussion to entertain.
If you feel slighted by only having 6% of the Veda's available to you, there are 108 Upanishads that you can read today. Let me know and I will list them out, yet I would start with the core 10 Upanishads.
The Fullness of the Veda's are found there, in the Upanishads, these are part and parcel, the veda's. Perhaps during a further post we can discuss the structure of the veda's yet I recommend you take a look at this post to begin with: http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/sho...31&postcount=1 (http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11831&postcount=1)
An additional point: the veda's are eternal wisdom, they are never lost. The risi's did not sit down and say , lets write a book, as if its a book of history or prayers. They cognized this wisdom within their own consciousness, in akasha. That means they did not write it, they 'seen and heard' it in their level of unbounded awareness. It cannot be lost. It only can be recalled. It can never go away , it is the fundamental structure of consciousness.
Knowledge is structured in consciousness...this is a key fundamental principle of the veda.
Not a simple concept to 'get' until you 'get it' from one that operates from this level of Being, and things are made clear. We do have people on this planet that is at this level of Consciousness. My angst is they are far and few between. We need more sages and enlightened beings, hence my posts for people to consider meditation - lets build 'em ourselves!
So, I encourage you to to read some of this great work, the Upanishads, them come back with your opinions.
All the Powers of the Universe are Already Ours,
It is We Who Have Put Our Hands Before Our Eyes and Cry that it is Dark!
Swami Vivekananda
Pranams,
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Quote:
Originally Posted by willie http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?p=12543#post12543)
Let's just take a look at the lasting power of the knowledge contained in these so called holybooks. The vedas , for all they are claimed to say , don't really say anything about reincarnation.
Namaste Willie,
I wanted to be sure that your post does not go un-noticed as it can open up new dialog , and discussion for others (too).
That is, perhaps others gain perspective on the questions you have asked, & info you have stated. This is very specific to the comments on the Veda's and reincarnation. It does not address the othe points residing in your previous post found in "Dead?"
Today is Ganga Dashara, to bestow purity in one's life. May this post in some way help me and perhaps assist others that read this post with sattva.
More info is will always be provided upon request, yet a foundation is needed to insure that the knowledge has a home.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Revisiting your questions and statements:
Let me add clarity here if I may. This notion of reincarnation is clearly pointed out in the Chandogya Upanishad and is part of the Panchagni Vidya told to Svetaketu. The first question given to Svetaketu by his guru in this case a king (Pravahana Jaivali) is " Do you know where people go after they depart from this world?" Svetaketu answers, ' no I do not' - now begins the instruction.
Perhaps you will procalim, 'yes but that is in the Upanishads'... Willie, the Upanishads are part and parcel the Vedas. As are the Brahmana's. Chandogya Upanishad is part and parcel of the Sama Ved. So the structure of the ved is Samhita, Brahmana, Aranaka and Upanishads - these are the Veda's divisions. Each serve a purpose.
Veda means knowledge, as you know. Perhaps you are thinking of the mantra portion (samhita) of the veda's no doubt. They have a specific purpose. As do the Brahmana's (deals with Brahman, and contain the rules for employing the samhita or mantra portion of the Veda), Aranaka's (forest books) and the Upanishads ( Upa= near + ni=down+ sad= to sit, yet also 'truth).
Reading the mantra portion is of a different method and intent. If you are reading the Rig Ved mantra portion (samhita), that portion has a specific application. The mantra portion of the veda's are MORE about sound and meter - mantra and chandas, then about the WORDs and meaning. This concept is not easily discussed and is not a entry level discussion to entertain.
If you feel slighted by only having 6% of the Veda's available to you, there are 108 Upanishads that you can read today. Let me know and I will list them out, yet I would start with the core 10 Upanishads.
The Fullness of the Veda's are found there, in the Upanishads, these are part and parcel, the veda's. Perhaps during a further post we can discuss the structure of the veda's yet I recommend you take a look at this post to begin with: http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/sho...31&postcount=1 (http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11831&postcount=1)
An additional point: the veda's are eternal wisdom, they are never lost. The risi's did not sit down and say , lets write a book, as if its a book of history or prayers. They cognized this wisdom within their own consciousness, in akasha. That means they did not write it, they 'seen and heard' it in their level of unbounded awareness. It cannot be lost. It only can be recalled. It can never go away , it is the fundamental structure of consciousness.
Knowledge is structured in consciousness...this is a key fundamental principle of the veda.
Not a simple concept to 'get' until you 'get it' from one that operates from this level of Being, and things are made clear. We do have people on this planet that is at this level of Consciousness. My angst is they are far and few between. We need more sages and enlightened beings, hence my posts for people to consider meditation - lets build 'em ourselves!
So, I encourage you to to read some of this great work, the Upanishads, them come back with your opinions.
All the Powers of the Universe are Already Ours,
It is We Who Have Put Our Hands Before Our Eyes and Cry that it is Dark!
Swami Vivekananda
Pranams,