Aja Ekapad

[ramkish42]

In Bhagavath Geetha Lord Krishna Says

Rudraanaam Sankaraschaasmi

The commentators (allmost all) said there are 11 Rudras (sivas) among them, Lord Sankara is the best.

Any opinion on this??

[sarabhanga]

Namaste Ramkish,

shaMkara is exactly synonymous with shiva.

Among the Rudras I am Shankara (Rudra-Shiva, the Lord of all Rudrah).
Among the Yakshas and Rakshas I am Kubera (the Lord of all Yakshas and Rakshas).
Among the Bright Ones (i.e. the Vasus) I am their Brilliance (i.e. Indra or Agni or Surya ~ the Lord of all Adityas).
Among the Mountains I am Meru (the Lord of all Mountains).

[ramkish42]

Among the Rudras I am Shankara (Rudra-Shiva, the Lord of all Rudrah).

I read some where here, probably I think, your posting describing Chatuspada, in which Aja Ekapada, one rudra, is exolted as ultimate truth.

This does not corroborate with you phrase, Rudra Shiva, the lord of all Rudrah

Further I want to read your opinions on Rudra as descrbed by Advaitin and Saiva Siddhanta, hence I raised query on 11 Rudras

I had requested this in earlier posting of mine, however, want to reiterate here too.

Is there by any chance, I get a indication that a reply was posted to the thread to which I am part of

[sarabhanga]

Namaste Ramkish,

Aja Ekapad IS Rudra Shiva ~ and Shiva Shankara is the Lord of all Rudrah.

The Rudrah are innumerable, and the Vedas give their number as 11.

The Mahabharata names the eleven as: Mrgavyadha, Sharva, Nirrti, Ajaikapad, Ahirbudhnya, Pinakin, Dahana, Ishvara, Kapalin, Sthanu, and Bhava.

The Harivamsha names the eleven as: Hara, Vahrupa, Tryambaka, Aparajita, Vrshakapi, Shambhu, Kapardin, Raivata, Mrgavyadha, Sarpa, and Kapalin.

The Matsyapurana names the eleven as: Ajaikapad, Ahirbudhnya, Viupaksha, Raivata, Hara, Vahurupa, Tryambaka, Savitra, Jayanta, Pinakin, and Aparajita.

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[ramkish42]

Namaste Ramkish,

Aja Ekapad IS Rudra Shiva ~ and Shiva Shankara is the Lord of all Rudrah.

The Rudrah are innumerable, and the Vedas give their number as 11.

The Mahabharata names the eleven as: Mrgavyadha, Sharva, Nirrti, Ajaikapad, Ahirbudhnya, Pinakin, Dahana, Ishvara, Kapalin, Sthanu, and Bhava.

The Harivamsha names the eleven as: Hara, Vahrupa, Tryambaka, Aparajita, Vrshakapi, Shambhu, Kapardin, Raivata, Mrgavyadha, Sarpa, and Kapalin.

The Matsyapurana names the eleven as: Ajaikapad, Ahirbudhnya, Viupaksha, Raivata, Hara, Vahurupa, Tryambaka, Savitra, Jayanta, Pinakin, and Aparajita.

Namasteji,

Further your goodself has added more contradictions.

1. You say "The Rudrah are innumerable, and the Vedas give their number as 11." When Veda says 11, there is no point in you saying it is innumerable

2. My query of Aja Ekapada being exolted as ultimate truth is not answered

3. name do vary, I understand
http://www.astrojyoti.com/11rudras.htm is one thing I found online. However, I understand, Saata is also a rudra, which is missing in the list

Request you to clarify me as I am weak in Shaiva

[sarabhanga]

Namaste Ramkish,

1. The stars are innumerable, and their number is 12 ;)

2. Aja Ekapad IS the ultimate Truth.

3. There are hundreds of Rudrah named in the Vedas.

[ramkish42]

Namaste Ramkish,

1. The stars are innumerable, and their number is 12 ;)

2. Aja Ekapad IS the ultimate Truth.

3. There are hundreds of Rudrah named in the Vedas.

1. Number of stars is not twelve but group of stars visible from earth, call them zodiac, is twelve. Our religion agrees with the view that there are more number of invisible stars from earth, for that fact, we agree that there are many brahmaandaas in which such innumerable stars will be there

2. This does not corroborate with the view that Sankara being treated as king of all rudras. This seems cyclic - if Aja Ekapad is ultimate truth then he should be the king, if Shankara is king then this means Aja Ekapad is subject of the king, hence cannot be ultimate truth

3. Correction. There are hundreds of names of rudrah mentioned in veda and not hundred of rudrah named. Sytle of language, I think, here makes a lot of difference

Hi Satay,

By the way, I had requested for instant email notification, still not mails are coming to my inbox. How shall I proceed

[satay]

Hi Satay,

By the way, I had requested for instant email notification, still not mails are coming to my inbox. How shall I proceed

hmm...this is a feature of the software. Okay, let me test it myself and get back to you.

[sarabhanga]

Namaste Ramkish,


Aja Ekapad IS Rudra : Rudra IS Shiva : Shiva IS Shankara.

The Aja Ekapad IS the Shankara!


There is only one rudra; and there are many rudrAH.

The one Rudra in truth remains unnamed; and there are hundreds of Rudrah (aspects of Rudra) actually named in the Vedas.

[ramkish42]

Namaste Ramkish,


Aja Ekapad IS Rudra : Rudra IS Shiva : Shiva IS Shankara.

The Aja Ekapad IS the Shankara!


There is only one rudra; and there are many rudrAH.

The one Rudra in truth remains unnamed; and there are hundreds of Rudrah (aspects of Rudra) actually named in the Vedas.

Shri Sarabhangaji

That was nice analogy.

Shri Adi Sankara Baghavatpadaal, refers such analogy as fallacy. He voices his protest with another analogy, Say this is sky, there is bird, bird flies in sky, hence sky is occupied by a bird, thus it leaves no space for other birds

To the statement in Gita rudraanaam sanakarschaasmi all commentators listed name of Ekapada Rudra and Sankara to make the count 11 along with other names.

If Ekapada is Sankara, How do we corroborate with stories in Shiva Mahapurana saying Ekapada once entered (permeated) Sankara, thereby changing his response for few moments - this story was corroborated by Shri Chandrasekarendra Saraswathi (Mahaswami) of Kanchi Sankara Mutt, where mahaswami also directed to read texts of Abbayya Dik****ar where Ekapada Rudra is listed separately and distinct of Sankara, and also directed to see the image of Ekapada rudra emboided in one Pillar of Great Meenakshi temple in Madurai

When these evidence says they are separate, how do you establish that they are same - further also clarify are you explaining your stance by being a Advaitin or Saivist

[sarabhanga]

Namaste Ramkish,

Analogy? That was pure equation!

That is Ajaikapad ~ that is Shankara ~ Shankara IS Ajaikapad ~ hence Ajaikapad IS Shankara ~ and all such high-flying birds are welcome to fill the infinite expanse of Brahman.

The infinite can never be reduced by division, and the unnameable can never be diminished by nomenclature!

The Vedas do not list Shankara as one of the 11 Rudras ~ and nor do the Mahabharata, Harivamsha, and Matsyapurana mention Shankara as one of the 11 Rudras.

Since the Gita is part of the Mahabharata, the Mahabharata’s enumeration should be assumed when reading the Bhagavadgita itself ~ i.e. Mrgavyadha, Sharva, Nirrti, Ajaikapad, Ahirbudhnya, Pinakin, Dahana, Ishvara, Kapalin, Sthanu, and Bhava.

So that “I am Shiva Shankara, the Lord of all Rudras” ~ or “I am Rudra, the Lord of all Rudras” ~ or “I am Shankara, the Aja Ekapad”.

Shankara names the Turiya (Akala Brahman) and also the Ishvara (i.e. Prajna or Kala Brahman).

When Prajna merges in Turiya, this is Yoga, par excellence!

When Kala and Akala are amalgamated so that no trace of division remains, then all opposition is defeated!

The image of Shiva Nataraja is Aja Ekapad Rudra personified.

Aja Ekapad is the Agni Vahana ~ the “sacrificial goat” that is divided for the sake of Creation ~ the dark vehicle of Fire, and that which bears the Light.

Aja Ekapad is the veritable Space-Time continuum ~ four dimensions in one ~ itself beyond all dimension, but without which no mensuration is possible!

Aja Ekapad is Lucifer ~ and Aja Ekapad is Aditi.

Om Shanti Shanti Shanti.

[ramkish42]

Thank youji

Further I request for an apology from the readers.

In my post you can see four *, the actual post is Diksheeta, with "i" instead of "ee", hence system understood it wrongly hence the four *.

Further as I find no other person than shri sarabhanga (http://hindudharmaforums.com/member.php?u=5), I would like to ask more on the same topic

Atharvana Veda while referring to Sambhu, lists that Sambhu is greater than Brahma, Rudra and Indra. As I do not have the text with me now, I will produce it tomorrow with exact translation. Meanwhile, is there any comment on that from sarabhanga (http://hindudharmaforums.com/member.php?u=5)ji

[ramkish42]

Thank youji

Further I request for an apology from the readers.

In my post you can see four *, the actual post is Diksheeta, with "i" instead of "ee", hence system understood it wrongly hence the four *.

Further as I find no other person than shri sarabhanga (http://hindudharmaforums.com/member.php?u=5), I would like to ask more on the same topic

Atharvana Veda while referring to Sambhu, lists that Sambhu is greater than Brahma, Rudra and Indra. As I do not have the text with me now, I will produce it tomorrow with exact translation. Meanwhile, is there any comment on that from sarabhanga (http://hindudharmaforums.com/member.php?u=5)ji
Sorryji, I had misplaced my Samhita original texts, I could not find it immediately.

Request you to grant mor time pls

[Arjuna]

There is only one rudra; and there are many rudrAH.
The one Rudra in truth remains unnamed; and there are hundreds of Rudrah (aspects of Rudra) actually named in the Vedas.

Rudra is GOD, Shiva
Rudrani is Shakti
rudrAH are souls, narAH

These three form essential Trinity of Shaivism, Trika

[atanu]

Rudra is GOD, Shiva
Rudrani is Shakti
rudrAH are souls, narAH

These three form essential Trinity of Shaivism, Trika


Aja: unborn. Ekpad: Single footed or One.

Brihadaraynaka Upanishad mentions the unborn Ekpad as that. Apam Napat is from there -- agni who pervades the three regions and has station in all regions.

So, what is that Aja Ekpad? Rig Vedic sages do not pray directly to Aja Ekapad. It's a nice mystery.

Nataraja symbol does seem to best match. Nothing else is as close.

[Agnideva]

So, what is that Aja Ekpad? Rig Vedic sages do not pray directly to Aja Ekapad. It's a nice mystery.

Nataraja symbol does seem to best match. Nothing else is as close.
Namaste Atanu. I am not sure if I understand ... you mean because Nataraja also stands on one foot?

[atanu]

Namaste Atanu. I am not sure if I understand ... you mean because Nataraja also stands on one foot?

Namaste,

May be May be more.

Shiva is Aja Ekapad. He is a Rudra. Rudra is Atma. Aja Ekpad is one footed and unborn. Atma is unborn. Nataraja is unborn air -- the image is for us, but there is nothing in Chidambaram (I hope you know this).

One has to know Nataraja in empty space. And I presume that one truly sees. Then, the following is what Sarabhaga ji said:



The image of Shiva Nataraja is Aja Ekapad Rudra personified.

Aja Ekapad is the Agni Vahana ~ the “sacrificial goat” that is divided for the sake of Creation ~ the dark vehicle of Fire, and that which bears the Light.

Aja Ekapad is the veritable Space-Time continuum ~ four dimensions in one ~ itself beyond all dimension, but without which no mensuration is possible!

Aja Ekapad is Lucifer ~ and Aja Ekapad is Aditi.

Om Shanti Shanti Shanti.

[Agnideva]

Shiva is Aja Ekapad. He is a Rudra. Rudra is Atma. Aja Ekpad is one footed and unborn. Atma is unborn. Nataraja is unborn air -- the image is for us, but there is nothing in Chidambaram (I hope you know this).
Namaste Atanu.

Yes, I know about Chidambaram. I see the connection now. As you say, Aja Ekapad is a mystery. Yet whenever I think “Aja Ekapad” (the Unborn One-Footed), I can’t help but think of the Supreme Support, the Skambha, the Pillar on which all stands, the Jyotirlingam.

“Tell me of that Support--who may He be?” –- He is indeed a mystery!

Regards,
A.

Skambha Sukta
Hymn of the Supreme Support
Atharvaveda X.7.1-44

In which of His limbs does Fervor dwell?
In which of His limbs is Order set?
In what part of Him abides Constancy, Faith?
In which of His limbs is Truth established?

From which of His limbs does Fire shine forth?
From which of His limbs issues the Wind?
Which limb does the Moon take for measuring rod
when it measures the form of the great Support?

In which of His limbs does the Earth abide?
In which of His limbs the atmosphere?
In which of His limbs is the sky affixed?
In which of His limbs the great Beyond?

Toward whom does the rising Flame aspire?
Toward whom does the Wind eagerly blow?
On whom do all the compass points converge?
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

Where do the half-months and months together
proceed in consultation with the year?
Where do the seasons go, in groups or singly?
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

Toward whom run the sisters, day and night,
who look so different yet one summons answer?
Toward whom do the waters with longing flow?
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

The One on whom the Lord of Life
leant for support when He propped up the world--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

That which of all forms the Lord of Life
created--above, below, and in between--
with how much of Himself penetrated the Support?
How long was the portion that did not enter?

With how much of Himself penetrated the Support
into the past? With how much into the future?
In that single limb whose thousand parts He fashioned
with how much of himself did He enter, that Support?

Through whom men know the worlds and what enwraps them,
the waters and Holy Word, the all-powerful
in whom are found both Being and Nonbeing--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

By whom Creative Fervor waxing powerful
upholds the highest Vow, in whom unite
Cosmic Order and Faith, the Waters and the Word--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

On whom is firmly founded earth and sky
and the air in between; so too the fire,
Moon, Sun, and wind, each knowing His own place--
Tell me of that Support--who may Hebe?

In whose one limb all the Gods,
three and thirty in number, are affixed--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

In whom are set firm the firstborn Seers,
the hymns, the songs, and the sacrificial formulas,
in whom is established the Single Seer--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

In whom, as Man, deathlessness and death combine,
to whom belong the surging ocean
and all the arteries that course within him;
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

Of whom the four cardinal directions
comprise the veins, visibly swollen,
in whom the sacrifice has advanced victorious--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

Those who know the Divine in man
know the highest Lord; who knows the highest Lord
or the Lord of Life knows the supreme Brahman.
They, therefore, know the Support also.

He whose head is the Universal Fire,
who has for His eyes the Angirases
and for His limbs the practitioners of sorcery--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

He whose mouth, so they say, is Brahma,
whose tongue is a whip steeped in honey,
of whom Viraj is considered the udder--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

Out of His body were carved the verses,
the formulas being formed from the shavings.
His hairs are the songs, His mouth the hymns
of the Seers Atharvan and Angiras--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

The branch of Nonbeing which is far-extending
men take to be the highest one of all.
They reckon as inferior those who worship
your other branch, the branch of Being.

In whom the Adityas, Rudras and Vasus,
are held together, in whom are set firm
worlds--that which was and that which shall be--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

Whose treasure hoard the three and thirty Gods
forever guard--today who knows its contents?
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

In whom the Gods, knowers of Brahman,
acknowledge Brahman as the Supreme--
he who knows the Gods face to face
is truly a Knower, a Vehicle of Brahman.

Great are the Gods who were born from Nonbeing,
yet men aver this Nonbeing to be
the single limb of the Support, the great Beyond.

The limb in which the Support, when generating,
evolved the Ancient One--who knows the limb
knows too by that same knowledge the Ancient One.

It was from His limb that the thirty-three Gods
distributed portions among themselves.
Thus in truth only knowers of Brahman
are also knowers of the thirty-three Gods.

Men recognize the Golden Embryo
as the unutterable, the Supreme.
Yet it was the Support who in the beginning
poured forth upon the world that stream of gold.

In the Support the worlds consist; in Him
Creative Fervor and Order have their ground.
You I have known, O Support, face to face,
in Indra wholly concentrated.

In Indra the worlds consist; in Indra
Creative Fervor and Order have their ground.
You I have known, O Indra, face to face,
in the Support wholly established.

Before dawn and sunrise man invokes
name after name. This Unborn sprang to birth
already with full sovereignty empowered.
Than He nothing higher ever existed.

Homage to Him of whom the Earth is the model,
the atmosphere His belly, who created the sky
from His head. Homage to this supreme Brahman!

Homage to Him whose eye is the Sun
and the Moon which is ever renewed, whose mouth
is the Fire. Homage to this supreme Brahman!

Homage to Him whose in-breath and out-breath
is the wind, whose eyes are the Angirases,
whose wisdom consists in the cardinal points.
Homage once again to this supreme Brahman!

By the Support are held both heaven and earth,
by the Support the broad domain of space,by the Support the six divergent directions,
by the Support is this whole world pervaded.

Homage to Him who, born of labor
and Creative Fervor, has entered all the worlds,
who has taken Soma for His own exclusive possession.
Homage to this Supreme Brahman!

How does the wind not cease to blow?
How does the mind take no repose?
Why do the waters, seeking to reach truth,
never at any time cease flowing?

A mighty wonder in the midst of creation moves,
thanks to Fervor, on the waters' surface.
To Him whatever Gods there are adhere
like branches of a tree around the trunk.

To whom the Gods always with hands and feet,
with speech, ear, and eye bring tribute unmeasured
in a well-measured place of sacrifice.
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

In Him exists no darkness, no evil.
In Him are all the lights, including the three
that are in the Lord of Life. The one who knows
the Reed of gold standing up in the Water
is truly the mysterious Lord of Life.

[atanu]

Namaste Atanu.

Yes, I know about Chidambaram. I see the connection now. As you say, Aja Ekapad is a mystery. Yet whenever I think “Aja Ekapad” (the Unborn One-Footed), I can’t help but think of the Supreme Support, the Skambha, the Pillar on which all stands, the Jyotirlingam.

“Tell me of that Support--who may He be?” –- He is indeed a mystery!

Regards,
A.

Skambha Sukta
Hymn of the Supreme Support
Atharvaveda X.7.1-44

In which of His limbs does Fervor dwell?
In which of His limbs is Order set?
In what part of Him abides Constancy, Faith?
In which of His limbs is Truth established?

From which of His limbs does Fire shine forth?
From which of His limbs issues the Wind?
Which limb does the Moon take for measuring rod
when it measures the form of the great Support?

In which of His limbs does the Earth abide?
In which of His limbs the atmosphere?
In which of His limbs is the sky affixed?
In which of His limbs the great Beyond?

Toward whom does the rising Flame aspire?
Toward whom does the Wind eagerly blow?
On whom do all the compass points converge?
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

Where do the half-months and months together
proceed in consultation with the year?
Where do the seasons go, in groups or singly?
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

Toward whom run the sisters, day and night,
who look so different yet one summons answer?
Toward whom do the waters with longing flow?
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

The One on whom the Lord of Life
leant for support when He propped up the world--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

That which of all forms the Lord of Life
created--above, below, and in between--
with how much of Himself penetrated the Support?
How long was the portion that did not enter?

With how much of Himself penetrated the Support
into the past? With how much into the future?
In that single limb whose thousand parts He fashioned
with how much of himself did He enter, that Support?

Through whom men know the worlds and what enwraps them,
the waters and Holy Word, the all-powerful
in whom are found both Being and Nonbeing--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

By whom Creative Fervor waxing powerful
upholds the highest Vow, in whom unite
Cosmic Order and Faith, the Waters and the Word--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

On whom is firmly founded earth and sky
and the air in between; so too the fire,
Moon, Sun, and wind, each knowing His own place--
Tell me of that Support--who may Hebe?

In whose one limb all the Gods,
three and thirty in number, are affixed--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

In whom are set firm the firstborn Seers,
the hymns, the songs, and the sacrificial formulas,
in whom is established the Single Seer--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

In whom, as Man, deathlessness and death combine,
to whom belong the surging ocean
and all the arteries that course within him;
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

Of whom the four cardinal directions
comprise the veins, visibly swollen,
in whom the sacrifice has advanced victorious--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

Those who know the Divine in man
know the highest Lord; who knows the highest Lord
or the Lord of Life knows the supreme Brahman.
They, therefore, know the Support also.

He whose head is the Universal Fire,
who has for His eyes the Angirases
and for His limbs the practitioners of sorcery--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

He whose mouth, so they say, is Brahma,
whose tongue is a whip steeped in honey,
of whom Viraj is considered the udder--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

Out of His body were carved the verses,
the formulas being formed from the shavings.
His hairs are the songs, His mouth the hymns
of the Seers Atharvan and Angiras--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

The branch of Nonbeing which is far-extending
men take to be the highest one of all.
They reckon as inferior those who worship
your other branch, the branch of Being.

In whom the Adityas, Rudras and Vasus,
are held together, in whom are set firm
worlds--that which was and that which shall be--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

Whose treasure hoard the three and thirty Gods
forever guard--today who knows its contents?
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

In whom the Gods, knowers of Brahman,
acknowledge Brahman as the Supreme--
he who knows the Gods face to face
is truly a Knower, a Vehicle of Brahman.

Great are the Gods who were born from Nonbeing,
yet men aver this Nonbeing to be
the single limb of the Support, the great Beyond.

The limb in which the Support, when generating,
evolved the Ancient One--who knows the limb
knows too by that same knowledge the Ancient One.

It was from His limb that the thirty-three Gods
distributed portions among themselves.
Thus in truth only knowers of Brahman
are also knowers of the thirty-three Gods.

Men recognize the Golden Embryo
as the unutterable, the Supreme.
Yet it was the Support who in the beginning
poured forth upon the world that stream of gold.

In the Support the worlds consist; in Him
Creative Fervor and Order have their ground.
You I have known, O Support, face to face,
in Indra wholly concentrated.

In Indra the worlds consist; in Indra
Creative Fervor and Order have their ground.
You I have known, O Indra, face to face,
in the Support wholly established.

Before dawn and sunrise man invokes
name after name. This Unborn sprang to birth
already with full sovereignty empowered.
Than He nothing higher ever existed.

Homage to Him of whom the Earth is the model,
the atmosphere His belly, who created the sky
from His head. Homage to this supreme Brahman!

Homage to Him whose eye is the Sun
and the Moon which is ever renewed, whose mouth
is the Fire. Homage to this supreme Brahman!

Homage to Him whose in-breath and out-breath
is the wind, whose eyes are the Angirases,
whose wisdom consists in the cardinal points.
Homage once again to this supreme Brahman!

By the Support are held both heaven and earth,
by the Support the broad domain of space,by the Support the six divergent directions,
by the Support is this whole world pervaded.

Homage to Him who, born of labor
and Creative Fervor, has entered all the worlds,
who has taken Soma for His own exclusive possession.
Homage to this Supreme Brahman!

How does the wind not cease to blow?
How does the mind take no repose?
Why do the waters, seeking to reach truth,
never at any time cease flowing?

A mighty wonder in the midst of creation moves,
thanks to Fervor, on the waters' surface.
To Him whatever Gods there are adhere
like branches of a tree around the trunk.

To whom the Gods always with hands and feet,
with speech, ear, and eye bring tribute unmeasured
in a well-measured place of sacrifice.
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?

In Him exists no darkness, no evil.
In Him are all the lights, including the three
that are in the Lord of Life. The one who knows
the Reed of gold standing up in the Water
is truly the mysterious Lord of Life.


Excellent. Thank you and pranam Agni deva. We are perhaps, talking about the inverted param Brikhsha which has its root in heaven and the branches down below and by whose side two birds of same feather abide -- one enjoying fruits and the second just looking on.



Perhaps.

Great are the Gods who were born from Nonbeing,
yet men aver this Nonbeing to be
the single limb of the Support, the great Beyond.

The limb in which the Support, when generating,
evolved the Ancient One--who knows the limb
knows too by that same knowledge the Ancient One.


Om Namah Shivayya

[atanu]

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Great are the Gods who were born from Nonbeing,
yet men aver this Nonbeing to be
the single limb of the Support, the great Beyond.

The limb in which the Support, when generating,
evolved the Ancient One--who knows the limb
knows too by that same knowledge the Ancient One.


Om Namah Shivayya

Through whom men know the worlds and what enwraps them,
the waters and Holy Word, the all-powerful
in whom are found both Being and Nonbeing--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?



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in whom are found both Being and Nonbeing--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be?
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Perhaps who is neither a being nor a non being? Whom we are urged to know by Lord Krishna?

Om

[Agnideva]

Perhaps who is neither a being nor a non being? Whom we are urged to know by Lord Krishna?
The Being in the Non-Being, and the Non-Being in the Being. That is the who we are urged to know ... perhaps (?).

[atanu]

The Being in the Non-Being, and the Non-Being in the Being. That is the who we are urged to know ... perhaps (?).

Yes, perhaps.

The being in the non being and non being in the being and the one leg that extends to the neither being nor non being --- indescribable, non perceptible, which is neither pragnya, nor non pragnya ------

shivoadvaitam atma OM.


Since:

-----in whom are found both Being and Nonbeing--
Tell me of that Support--who may He be? -----------


All these caegories are perhaps for instructions. One finally has to find the source of that one leg in the Atma.

Om Namah Shivayya