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Hiwaunis
11 August 2007, 02:39 PM
I have been to several gatherings where the leaders give deeksha after several minutes of meditating. Their explanation of deeksha is: transferring divine energy channeled through them. Some people say they feel love flowing through their bodies after receiving deeksha. Is this possible? How is this learned?

Nuno Matos
11 August 2007, 10:11 PM
Namaste

I hope this will send some light to answer your question!

Quoting from a book written about the Samkhya History by Lallanji Gopal

About Bhoja ( bhoga)

"Varsaganya is of the view that when the organs function abnormally, the influx comes into them directly from the pradhana ( prakrti ), but, in the ordinary course, they act from within. Patanjali says that they always act from withim, but Pancadhikarana holds that they always act on the basis of influx from the outside. According to Pancadhikarana , the organs by their nature are without any impression left in them and are like an empty village or a dry river. Whenever there is an external stimulus of Knowledge, they receive automatically an influx from the pradhana; it is only then that the organs can operate."

sarabhanga
11 August 2007, 10:32 PM
Namaste Hiwaunis,

dIkshA is “dedication” (as “complete resignation” or “exclusive occupation”, and especially “self-devotion to a guru or god”) or “initiation” (as “consecration for particular religious observances, and the observances themselves” or, more generally, “any serious preparation”).

When a guru “initiates” a devotee, it is both inspiration and instruction for some dedicated action or determined belief.

Most simply, it is a blessing; and the transforming “energy transfer” is known as shaktipAta (“laying down of strength”) ~ which implies both the descent of spiritual power and the submission of personal will to the will of God.

“Love” and “inspiration” can only be learned by experience, and taught by example.

And true inspiration can only come from one who is truly inspired ~ thus the eternal Guru Parampara.

The illumination or radiation (or love) transmitted by the guru (his/her spiritual word or breath, and thus expiration) is taken to heart (heard, breathed in, or inspired) by the aspiring devotee, who is now inspired and heading with sure dedication for the very same illumination.

Arjuna
13 August 2007, 02:38 PM
Namaste Hiwaunis,
dIkshA is “dedication” (as “complete resignation” or “exclusive occupation”, and especially “self-devotion to a guru or god”) or “initiation” (as “consecration for particular religious observances, and the observances themselves” or, more generally, “any serious preparation”).
When a guru “initiates” a devotee, it is both inspiration and instruction for some dedicated action or determined belief.
Most simply, it is a blessing; and the transforming “energy transfer” is known as shaktipAta (“laying down of strength”) ~ which implies both the descent of spiritual power and the submission of personal will to the will of God.
“Love” and “inspiration” can only be learned by experience, and taught by example.
And true inspiration can only come from one who is truly inspired ~ thus the eternal Guru Parampara.
The illumination or radiation (or love) transmitted by the guru (his/her spiritual word or breath, and thus expiration) is taken to heart (heard, breathed in, or inspired) by the aspiring devotee, who is now inspired and heading with sure dedication for the very same illumination.

Namaste, Sarabhanga!

Very nice exposition ;). Thank U :).

Hiwaunis
13 August 2007, 04:39 PM
Om Shanti,
Thanks to both of you. I want to make sure I understand this. Is Bhoja the first step in learning to give Deeksha? Or is Bhoja the same as Deeksha? Once you receive this blessing can you loose it? Is there something you must do to maintain yourself? It just doesn't seem right that people who drink, smoke, eat meat and are not practicing celibacy can be a vessel for God.

Nuno Matos
13 August 2007, 05:51 PM
Namaste Hiwaunis

Bhoja in this context means experience or to be more acute the feeling connected with the experience;" Some people say they feel love flowing through their bodies after receiving deeksha".
I just tried to give an answer by quoting what tree great sankhia masters thought about the subject of; "Is this possible? How is this learned?.

Boga can mean the pursuit of pleasure in an adharmic sense but can mean yoga in a tantrik sense. So the tantriks say that yoga and boga are the same. It all depends on your objectives, sadhana and level of comprehension and control.
Boga can ruin your life or take you to heaven.

sarabhanga
13 August 2007, 08:25 PM
Namaste Hiwaunis,

Not every Guru is able to bestow Liberation with a touch or a glance or a word; and not every devotee is ready for such an instant Liberation (although that is exactly what most aspirants would wish, and what some Gurus would imply!).

Each Guru transmits to each student according to the ability of the "weakest link".

See also: Yoga and Sadhana (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/965569.cms)

Hiwaunis
01 September 2007, 06:24 PM
Namaste Hiwaunis,

Not every Guru is able to bestow Liberation with a touch or a glance or a word; and not every devotee is ready for such an instant Liberation (although that is exactly what most aspirants would wish, and what some Gurus would imply!).

Each Guru transmits to each student according to the ability of the "weakest link".

See also: Yoga and Sadhana (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/965569.cms)

"When a guru accepts somebody as a shishya he takes complete responsibility. The shishya is monitored by the guru not daily or hourly but every moment, which is why earlier gurus had such few disciples. Sir John Woodroffe, a renowned sadhak and practitioner of tantra in the early 19th century, understood this. He observes, "In older times a guru used to give diksha to 10-15 disci-ples in his or her entire lifetime. Initiating even a single person requires immense amount of energy and even greater amount of practice to regain that energy".

"I wonder how people go around initiating thousands of people. Having been a teacher of an ancient healing technique, I observed that people were coming to learn this method only to gain in social prestige. This set me thinking. I stopped teaching to get deeper into the true meaning, practice and purpose of yog. Gyan is energy which flows only to those who have the capacity to follow the practices of yog strictly as told for mankind's evolution. For others, it is merely meant to impress."

Om Shanti Sarabhanga,
Thank you very much. That article explained a lot.

Namaste,
Hiwaunis

Hiwaunis
01 September 2007, 06:35 PM
Om Shanti,
Are you familiar with the Oneness Movement? For $5,000 you can go to Golden City, India and learn to give deeksha. I have thought about doing that myself. However, I certainly do not want to perpetrate fraud. I'd pay the $5000 just to take the 21 day course. Is this organization sincere?

Namaste,
Hiwaunis

satay
02 September 2007, 01:14 AM
Namaskar,
Pardon my ignorance friends, but what is 'Golden city'? never heard of it.

And that sum of money looks way too much for my comfort. Please do your research before shelling out that much cash. 5K USD in India is not a small sum of money!

Arjuna
02 September 2007, 03:35 PM
Om Shanti,
Are you familiar with the Oneness Movement? For $5,000 you can go to Golden City, India and learn to give deeksha. I have thought about doing that myself. However, I certainly do not want to perpetrate fraud. I'd pay the $5000 just to take the 21 day course. Is this organization sincere?

This may be a good business but obviously has nothing to do with spirituality. This movement is of so called "Kalki". One more infamous "Siddhashram"-like stuff...

Agnideva
02 September 2007, 07:46 PM
Namaste Hiwaunis,

Are you familiar with the Oneness Movement? For $5,000 you can go to Golden City, India and learn to give deeksha. I have thought about doing that myself. However, I certainly do not want to perpetrate fraud. I'd pay the $5000 just to take the 21 day course. Is this organization sincere?
I'd be very weary of gurus such as this self-proclaimed Kalki Bhagavan, especially when they ask for large sums of money for some sort of a 21 day course. There are no shortcuts to spirituality.

OM Shanti,
A.

satay
03 September 2007, 12:18 AM
Who is Bhagavan?
I am known in India as Bhagavan. I am an avatar, an avatar who is specifically concerned about enlightening people and of course, also fulfilling their desires. I have been around for the past nearly 12 years or so. We have millions of followers, and a few thousand now who are enlightened. There is now a tremendous seeking after enlightenment, a great passion now among large numbers of people to become enlightened, and so I have come to be considered as an avatar for enlightenment.”


source: http://www.enlightenment-online.com/FAQ.html

Ahem...

It is sad to see the Google ads 'got' bhagwan too! Does bhagwan need to have google ads in his site?

I have a strange feeling about this self proclaimed 'avatar'...

It would be very hard to convince me to donate even a single dollar to this Bhagwan without first doing proper research into his activities.

satay
03 September 2007, 12:20 AM
Can others give enlightenment?
“Mostly I don't give deekshas, I let others [who are trained] give deeksha. I am more like a powerhouse, and the others are like step down transformers who can receive this energy and pass it on to people. So my function is to remain as a powerhouse for some time. This is how deeksha is given and how enlightenment occurs.”


'Bhagwan' is giving deeksha by proxy...this doesn't sound right. I would avoid such deeksha at any cost just because for me it doesn't sound right to me. Maybe others' have experienced such a thing by proxy, please share...

satay
03 September 2007, 12:35 AM
I watched the video on the site. Bhagwan claims to make a 'hole' in the mind by giving deeksha (by proxy). He claims that after the hole is made God takes over and gives enlightenment. So deeksha is to make a hole.

I would ask, "Why God is not making this hole in the mind of the man himself?" Why we need this hole drilled in the mind by proxies? Is God incapable of make the hole or he/she just chooses not to make the hole? If God as the creator didn't make the hole himself why do we need this hold created by deeksha of this bhagwan?

Also, I didn't see a mention of 5K USD anywhere on this site. Where is the course information?

One more question I would ask Bhagwan is this: If he has been preparing for this deeksha distribution all his life and as he claims if a higher power or energy directed him to do this, why is he charging money for his courses? (if indeed he is)

All spiritual knowledge should be distributed free by a guru, this is my humble opinion, without any regard or attachment to donkey's food i.e. $$. Though it is the student duty to provide gurudakshina...

satay
03 September 2007, 01:09 AM
FYI. I didn't have time to read the whole page but read here and there...bottom line...beware of the conmen.

http://www.freewebs.com/ponerlibertadya/



.-In MATRIX the movie . part one. the avatar was inside of the matrix, he himself was a part of illusion. When inside of illusion only illusion can be given. When the avatar is found outside the matrix then he will deliver you immediatly , no cost, no condition , free. This is the true signal.

satay
03 September 2007, 01:22 AM
Last one for now...
http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2005/10/inside-false-amma-kalki-scam.html