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shian
19 October 2007, 12:37 PM
Jai Mata Durga!

Brothers and sisters, i have an question.
What the most POWERFULL DEVI mantra who the shakta bhakta use(without initation, anyone in website or anyone who see this thread can practice that method) to control sexual desire for young people? and to destroy the sins of sexual misconduct.

please, dont tell me any difficult method, i cant understand.

The easy method from Buddha to destroy the sins of sexual misconduct and control desire is chant :

NAMO CANDRAPRABHA TATHAGATAYA

Eastern Mind
20 October 2007, 09:39 AM
Shian: Two items come to mind.. the first is to try to avoid parts of the world that would bring up sexual thoughts ... certain TV shows, parts of cities where pornography is vividly displayed, anywhere where people wear immodest clothing, of course that wouldn't be that easy.. the other method is to train your mind just to go elsewhere (something you're really interested in, like a sport, or certain kinds of music, or a craft you may have practised) whenever a sexual thought occurs. Another suggestion is here on the internet, you might want to read a bit about Mormonism, frequently answered questions, as the Mormons train (attempt to) their young very well in how to remain celibate until marriage. The subconscious mind can be tricky... sometimes if you try to suppress the feelings, you repress them instead, making the task more difficult rather than easier. Take quitting smoking, for example. The more you think about quitting, the more it reminds you of smoking. Same thing with diets. Good luck in your striving. Aum Namasivaya

Atman
23 October 2007, 08:28 AM
Get over to www.celibacy.info (http://www.celibacy.info)- I have both ebooks and am reading them at the moment. Are you male- as it is more difficult to control the semen during youth.

sm78
23 October 2007, 09:09 AM
I am surely not qualified to speak much on this, but my humble personal experience suggest that any attempts to control sexual passion will only increase it ... neither it is need for householders (I am referring to authority of shankaracharyas here).

There may be better exercises for the mind (instead reading some propaganda collected from here and there), like reading the gItA for example. IMHO.

sm78
23 October 2007, 09:14 AM
Jai Mata Durga!

Brothers and sisters, i have an question.
What the most POWERFULL DEVI mantra who the shakta bhakta use(without initation, anyone in website or anyone who see this thread can practice that method) to control sexual desire for young people? and to destroy the sins of sexual misconduct.

please, dont tell me any difficult method, i cant understand.

The easy method from Buddha to destroy the sins of sexual misconduct and control desire is chant :

NAMO CANDRAPRABHA TATHAGATAYA

I honestly don't know how wrong it is for a young person to have sexual desires.

As far as "mis-conduct" ~ I don't know what u exactly mean by this ... however if it is some act which has been troubling your mind which u feel was not right, the prescribed way may be penance...a very basic penance is doing 100 sit-ups before the deity holding one's ear as we were sometimes forced to do in school before the teacher .... not joking!!

atanu
23 October 2007, 11:13 AM
----- the prescribed way may be penance...a very basic penance is doing 100 sit-ups before the deity holding one's ear as we were sometimes forced to do in school before the teacher .... not joking!!


:D I will , but I hope that the increased blood flow will not enhance libido and further sin?

Znanna
23 October 2007, 07:39 PM
Namaste,

It seems to me (no expert, and female to boot) that any action sacrificed/dedicated to Godz is exempt at worst and a blessing at best.


ZN

shian
23 October 2007, 09:37 PM
Yes!
normal to people to have sexual desire!

sexual miscondut is:

when u collect the blue film and see blue film or etc porn stuff and copy the blue film and porn stuff to others (this is can damage our spirituality and morality)

when u having sex before married.

Just to chant:
Namo Durga Mata Namo Gauri Mata...
in meditation to Her AND FULL OF DEVOTION TO HER

i believe it can help you to CONTROL sexual desire

BECAUSE MATA DURGA KILL THE REKSHASAS (DEMONS WHO REPRESENT OUR LOBHA, DOSHA AND MOHA)

JAI MATA DURGA JAI MATA DURGA JAI MATA DURGA

sm78
24 October 2007, 02:20 AM
Namaste,

It seems to me (no expert, and female to boot) that any action sacrificed/dedicated to Godz is exempt at worst and a blessing at best.


ZN

True Mam,

Only how do anyone perform an action as a sacrifice to Godz...the niskama karma yoga of Gita ??

It is believed by us, that practice of niskama karma yog can happen only after Godz no longer are mere mental imaginations or intellectual concepts...till then penance may be a better option.IMHO.

sm78
27 October 2007, 06:13 AM
This should be more helpful and proper than celibacy info.net

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/virtue/IntroVirtue.html

yajvan
27 October 2007, 09:19 AM
Hari Om
~~~~~
I am surely not qualified to speak much on this, but my humble personal experience suggest that any attempts to control sexual passion will only increase it ... neither it is need for householders (I am referring to authority of shankaracharyas here).


Namaste singhi, Shian, et.al
... I have never won this battle until recently i.e. the last 10 years or so. The more I pushed, the more it pulled.

There are hatha yoga postions that dampen this desire if one wishes to pursue; Yet a strong moon in the 7th house in Rohini will laugh and throw any efforts to the way-side. Add support from venus (sukra) to Moon and ones efforts to resist on this matter become substantial. Add in a strong 12th house ( pleasures of the bed), and one again is challanged. So , from a jyotish perspective, what can one do to influence passions (pleasues of the bed)? Mars, or Hanumanji can assist. Mars brings tapas, and is exemplified in Hanumanji.


Atanu and I had a somewhat simular conversation a few weeks back. Perhaps a look at this post will give you some insights? I do not know, maybe worth the read? http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showpost.php?p=16747&postcount=49


Om Hanumanthaya Namah

pranams,

Arvind Sivaraman
21 November 2007, 10:48 PM
Jai Mata Durga!

Brothers and sisters, i have an question.
What the most POWERFULL DEVI mantra who the shakta bhakta use(without initation, anyone in website or anyone who see this thread can practice that method) to control sexual desire for young people? and to destroy the sins of sexual misconduct.

please, dont tell me any difficult method, i cant understand.

The easy method from Buddha to destroy the sins of sexual misconduct and control desire is chant :

NAMO CANDRAPRABHA TATHAGATAYA

Om Shirdi Sai Ram.
Namaste Shian.

I request you to do parayanam (Regular study after taking bath.) of Books of Elevated Souls like Shri Shirdi Sai Baba,Sri Ramakrishna Parahamsa,Swami Vivekananda,Sri Ramana Maharishi etc.
The constant advice by these elevated soluls is that Jivatma (Human Souls) because of Avidya(ignorance) is affected by Materialistic life which proves to be a hindrance in the goal of life.ie;GOAL OF LIFE meaning
SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT.
Regarding spiritual mantra, only a well qualified(self-realised soul) Guru can initiate you into the Mantra fold.
If you take instances of Shri Shirdi Sai Baba, HE has not recommended any mantra to any one.HIS advice is only one thing.Have Faith and Patience in your GURU and HE will carry you away from the worldly life and lead you on to the Spiritual life.

Arjuna
13 December 2007, 03:19 PM
Someone once asked Osho: "Can i smoke while doing meditation?"
Osho replied: "No. But U may meditate while smoking."

Nothing is wrong in having sexual desire, but one may meditate while having it and while having actual sex. The only way is to transcend, and never to suppress.

Atman
23 December 2007, 05:32 AM
Osho was a fake- Julian says so on www.celibacy.info (http://www.celibacy.info)

devotee
24 December 2007, 10:18 AM
Osho was a fake- Julian says so on www.celibacy.info (http://www.celibacy.info)

Why ? Because he was not mad after celibacy ? :lol:

Sex has consumed so much time & energy of people as nothing can ever do. Is sex really bad & celibacy is the only ultimate goal ?

Let's examine the aspects of sex :

Two persons touch each other ... an organ of one person gets in touch with that of another's .... that is sex, ok ? It is a pleasurable feeling for both. No one is hurting the other ... just meeting physically for the sake of pure pleasure. Can pleasure be abominable ? Can a harmless touching be called sin ? Let's assume here that there is no birth of children involved & there is no force applied.

When you are hungry, you eat delicious food. That is not a sin. But when you are "sex-hungry" which is also a physical demand & you indulge in sexual activity to satisfy this hunger ... it is called a sin. Eating for satisfying your hunger is ok .... but having sex is bad ? We have right to call OSHO fake because he didn't consider sex a sin ?

Comments ?

saidevo
24 December 2007, 08:09 PM
Namaste Devotee.



When you are hungry, you eat delicious food. That is not a sin. But when you are "sex-hungry" which is also a physical demand & you indulge in sexual activity to satisfy this hunger ... it is called a sin. Eating for satisfying your hunger is ok .... but having sex is bad ? We have right to call OSHO fake because he didn't consider sex a sin ?
Comments ?


There are some vital differences between being hungry and sex-hungry:

1. Food, unlike sex, is a necessity for the body and soul. 'annam Atma paripAlalam'.

2. Food does not make a person crave for it repeatedly. It is not habit-forming.

3. Food does not drain energy, specially the vital energy.

4. Food, unlike indiscriminate sex, does not cause deadly diseases such as the Aids.

This is not to say that sex is bad and food is good. Both should be had with discretion and within limits. When the limit is exceeded, even nectar can become poison. Celibacy for the bachelors is to abstain from sex; for the householders it is being faithful to the life partner.

devotee
25 December 2007, 02:13 AM
Namaste Saidevo ji,

I do appreciate what you say. However, let me clarify certain things here :
1. Food, unlike sex, is a necessity for the body and soul. 'annam Atma paripAlalam'

===> Yes, food is a necessity for survival. Sex can be avoided & still one can survive. However, forcibly keeping away from sex can lead to a number of physical & psychological problems which is neither good for the body nor for the soul. Moreover, its requirement for survival or otherwise doesn't make it a "sin". Does it ?

2. Food does not make a person crave for it repeatedly. It is not habit-forming.

===> I don't know how this statement can be made. You may be able to wean yourself away from sex & lower the craving & still survive. The craving for food cannot be diminished like that. Food is a necessity & survival depends upon it. Where is the question of its being habit-forming or otherwise ?

3. Food does not drain energy, specially the vital energy.

===> Sex is a good exercise & therefore it consumes energy. I don't think "drains energy" does justice to sex. If consumption of energy is bad then all our physical exercises are in vain & we should stop it ?

===> I think what you are indicating is the result of "excess indulgence in sex". But that is true for everything. If you take food in excess, it would become poison. IMO, the number of people dying due to excessive eating is more than those who die of excessive sex !

4. Food, unlike indiscriminate sex, does not cause deadly diseases such as the Aids.

===> Indiscriminate food habit is the cause of many of the human diseases including cancer. IMO, both are equally bad on this scale.


This is not to say that sex is bad and food is good. Both should be had with discretion and within limits. When the limit is exceeded, even nectar can become poison. Celibacy for the bachelors is to abstain from sex; for the householders it is being faithful to the life partner.

That sums up all ! I fully agree with you !!

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Some of the benefits of good & moderate sex :


1. Lower mortality rates.
2. Reduced risk of prostate cancer.
3. Boosts self esteem, Firms tummy and buttocks & makes a person feel younger.
4. Keeps spouses connected emotionally.
5. It is a good pain-relief.
6. Reduced risk of heart disease.
7. Makes a person more calm.
8. Reduces depression.
9. Improved sense of smell.
1. Has a therapeutic effect on immune system.
11. Better bladder control.
12. Relieves menstrual cramps.
13. Helps people sleep better.
14. Improves digestion.
15. Healthier teeth.
16. Produces chemicals in the brain to stimulate the growth of new dendrites.
17. Lowers the level of cortisol, a hormone that can trigger fatigue and cravings.
18. Less-frequent colds and flu.
19. It can help people achieve weight loss since about 200 calories are burned during 30 minutes of active sex.
20. Studies are also showing that it is a myth that abstinence can sharpen a person's competitive edge.
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The sex becomes bad when :

1. it is forced on someone who is unwilling.
2. lust of sex takes one outside marriage system & creates breach in family system .... it can hurt many people involved
3. it becomes one's obsession.
4. there is indiscriminate indulgence in sex

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If we take care of the above ...
... Is there any compulsion to stay away from sex for a spiritual person ? How does it help ?

sarabhanga
25 December 2007, 03:04 AM
Is there any compulsion to stay away from sex for a spiritual person ?

Namaste Devotee,

It is not the SEX that particularly matters, it is the SEED which is held as being sacred!

The haploid gamete phase of animal life is ultimately just as important as the diploid somatic phase. The gametes are produced by a unique method of genetic division (meiosis) for a unique purpose, and that sole purpose is the conception of a new diploid generation, and thus the continuing existence (i.e. virtually immortal prosperity) of its particular genetic lineage.

ANY ejaculation without the intention or hope of conception is thus surely an “unnatural” act, for the very nature of the haploid spermatozoids is to seek fertilization and expression in the next diploid generation.

The occasional wastage of seed is inevitable in the course of nature, but that does NOT mean that the proper nature of that seed is such that it should ever be deliberately wasted!

The only spiritual purpose of sexual intercourse is impregnation ~ i.e. the actual conception of a child.

See: http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4463&postcount=7




This the meaning of that union
When in the sex act semen flows
The yogi lets it not
But checks it
And attains within
And a master he then becomes

He becomes master of wisdom all
He becomes master of enjoyment all
He becomes master of himself
He becomes master of senses five.

Who may you ask
Is he that achieved this audacious yoga
The lord is he that wears heavenly gaÑgA on his matted lock
For ghaTIkA five
He embraced shakti of speech in ambrosial sweetness
Thinking and thinking not of the act performed

Lest the silvery liquid into the golden flow
The artful goldsmith covered it up with yogic breath
The sparks that flew traveled up by the way of suSumna
There above
He contained them with tongue’s tip

They who perfect wisdom
And embrace woman in wisdom’s beauty
Will know grief none
Though by woman’s side he be
The liquid silver remains unspent
And flows not into the yoni of woman

This body that melts like wax over fire
Will no more indulge
When wisdom dawns
To those who have attained the wisdom
The liquid silver no exit knows


Strictly, the same logic also applies in the case of women. The ovum is equally sacred as the sperm, and each shares the same vital purpose. The microscopic gametes were anciently unknown, but the generative power was considered to reside in the characteristic fluids emitted from the male and female genital organs.

The menstrual blood should likewise be kept from falling. Unlike the case of a man deliberately wasting his semen, however, a woman has little control over her menstruation, and there can be no blame, but the traditional advice to females would be to fall pregnant at every opportunity (normally assuming marriage). If that is not possible, an alternative would be to limit one’s diet until weight loss causes periods to cease (and that would assume renunciation). Young (pre-adolescent) girls and old (post-menopausal women) have always been especially revered, and the reason behind this is their perfect continence.

This rule is almost impossible for a women to always follow perfectly, and the traditional compromise has been that women should at least stay secluded at the time of their menstruation.

yajvan
25 December 2007, 10:31 PM
The occasional wastage of seed is inevitable in the course of nature, but that does NOT mean that the proper nature of that seed is such that it should ever be deliberately wasted!


Namaste,

the implication of 'wasted' suggests two paths:
a. if used to create another human being, then no waste has occured.
b. If kept within the body, then how is this fluid ulilized? what is it's function?


pranams,

devotee
25 December 2007, 10:46 PM
Namaste Sarbhanga ji,

I can understand why you say what you say. You are a Sanyasin & perhaps you have been taught like that. However, there are many things which gets distorted in meaning when tried to simplify for the student. That has happened to sex as well ! Sex does hinder spiritual growth like all other actions directed towards fulfilment of our desires but I beg to differ from what you have tried to project here.

Let me add my bit here :

a) Since long people have tried to conquer sexual urge in unnatural way & which has resulted in putting in too much energy into it & thereby further strengthening it. Conquering sexual urges comes easy with spiritual upliftment. Being obsessed with sex either in a negative or positive way takes us away from spirituality. Thing is either you are attached to it in a positive way or the negative way, you are ATTACHED to it !!

b) Ejaculation of semen in a young healthy man is a natural process & same is true for menstruation in young healthy woman. If you like it You may always take it as a challenge & try to win over it .... however, most likely it will hinder your spiritual growth than help you anyway. The Satva, Rajas & Tamas gunas are at work. We should not get perturbed when the Rajas & Tamas gunas are at work & we should not desire even their coming into action when it is over. ( Ref : Gita) The key to liberation is Non-attachment & that must be exercised in Non-positive & also Non-negative way.

c) My experience is that non-attachment to all desires including sex comes easily when "you" ( had to use for the sake of understanding) start residing in SELF for most of the time .... when SELF is the only thing which is sought for ... when the only condition for being happy is being in SELF. In fact, the feeling of enjoyment through act of sex, eating or by act of union of any object with the sense organ is just a fraud ... an act of maya ! All enjoyment are handiwork of mind which can be even without presence of the object or the act ... like in a dream ... we may have sexual enjoyment in our dream wothout having any sexual partner present or any sexual act in reality. Once you know the nature of mind, it makes it easy to understand the the whole mechanism & also makes it easy to "conquer" it, if you so desire.

d) There is no sin involved in sex or fulfilment of desire per-se ... but then why is there so much pressure to win over ? The reason is something else.

The biggest problem lies in solidification of "I"/false identity. The more you indulge in seeking enjoyment in sense-organs-related enjoyment the more you are attached to this "I"/false identity. The more you are attached to "I", the more dust is there on SELF .... the more darkness envelops .... the REALITY gets inverted ... leading to more dissatisfaction, generation of more "rajas" actions to fulfil desires .... generation of & attachment to more pain etc.

The SELF is the source of all happiness. Once this is known & "I" learns to reside in SELF only ... there is no desire for anything ... you no longer need fighting for winning over your sexual urges ...

For a householder, the above may not be easy ... but that doesn't mean that we are sinner .... there is a way here also. First, be a witness to arising of all desires & when involved in action, simply detach "i" from the action ... "i" should be the watcher than the actor. Second, bow to the power of Maya, it is powerful manifestation of SELF ... you can't fight & there is no need ... simply bow out whenever you want so. That is easier !

sarabhanga
26 December 2007, 01:51 AM
If kept within the body, then how is this fluid ulilized?

Namaste Yajvan,

What would a brAhmaNa do with his aÑgakaSAya (the essence of his body), his own pauruSa?

Certainly, the askanda bIja, the pradhAnadhAtu or dhAturAjakam, remains aparAsikta (not spilled).

The brahmacArI becomes payasvAn, and the hiraNya drapsa of the Urdhva prapAta pauruSa is raised up shuSma and transformed with the indriyam, and his own retanam becomes the mahArasa rohaNam, and his Rtvam becomes a veritable rudraja.

Such an UrdhvamanthI or Urdhvareta yogI retains all tejas and vIryam, and is renowned as suvarNaretas and suretadhA ~ indeed, the brahmacArI has become the pauruSa puMgava, the puruSavRSa or puruSarSabha.

The exact process of somatic transformation has always been mysterious, but the tantram is known as rasAyana.

sarabhanga
26 December 2007, 04:26 AM
Namaste Devotee,

My comments here should be understood in the light of previous posts on brahmacaryam (http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showpost.php?p=14339&postcount=14), varNAshramadharma (http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?p=4468), and marriage (http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8278&postcount=6).

yajvan
26 December 2007, 11:52 AM
Hari Om
~~~~~~


a) Since long people have tried to conquer sexual urge in unnatural way & which has resulted in putting in too much energy into it & thereby further strengthening it. !
Namaste devotee,

Your points have merit. When I read the one above my mind went to the unfortunate scandals found in the Catholic church and the mischievous behaviors¹ of the priests as of late. It has been suggested that this bad behavior only be found in the USA, but now more information suggests it is not just a 'American Problem' but found in other countries also.

Now does one think that when a person enters the clergy that his intent is to become a predator? I think not. And what thoughts are on his mind? That of the Lord I would say (hope) 90% of the time. Yet this natural desire of procreation is part of the wiring found in humans. It is so strong that the man of God (a.k.a Catholic priests) begin to have perversions.


What to do?
When this urge is not redirected to more wholesome actions, or the desire is not redirected, then this 'unnaturalness' manifests and there is room for mischief and strengthening this desire. This re-direction and action can be talked about, but for now lets leave it at re-directed.

Let me offer my POV as I see it... it is one more desire ( this urge) that connects the SELF to the non-SELF. For me it is something that needs to be manged but not 'whipped' into submission. This has always been the case; if one wishes to debate it as the loss of sukra, fine, I am sure it is the physical part that connects to the spiritual re-distribution of ojas to higher consciousness ( I am all for it). Yet it is the desire, the notion of desire and fulfillment of that desire keeps one in cycles. IN this case it is a passionate desire, all the same one more desire.

Now am I suggesting that one stamps out all desire? Nope...then the desire for the SELF must also be thrown out. It is where the mind is directed, where it is 'fed'. Feeding is just not by the mouth, but the eyes, ears, nose and the like. It is the redirection to samasta , wholeness.

When the intent is there, towards wholeness, then these desires get managed accordingly over time. More infusion of sattva. Now does it happen over night? I think not, at least not for me, maybe for some. Yet goodness begins to be in the forefront - the mind finds more delight in this samasta... Like that, and these other urges are not dominating.

CAUTION is offered here to insure that acting good, or pretending is not the recipe that is being offered, it is the infusion of more sattva, via pure consciousness that makes this transition happen naturally. It's changing the core principles the balance of gunas of the person that brings this - This is done by the Organizing Power, this Intelligence that governs this cosmos, w/o effort and without much fuss.

IMHO and experience, if one chooses to battle the 'passion desire' on its own ground then it will be tough sailing as far as I can tell, in favor of the desire winning out.



1.

4,392 priests have been accused of molesting minors [ mostly boys 10-14 years of age] in 10,667 cases over the last 52 years,
A California paper calls out 1,092 new sex abuse cases directed towards the Catholic Church clergy. This goes back to 1950.
Payouts from the Church exceed $1 billion so far.
Of the offenders, ( priests) 756 have past away or have been removed from the Church.
What is so disappointing is that these offenders ( most probably) used God and their position as His representative as their leverage over the
parishioners.

devotee
26 December 2007, 08:06 PM
Namaste yajvan,


When this urge is not redirected to more wholesome actions, or the desire is not redirected, then this 'unnaturalness' manifests and there is room for mischief and strengthening this desire.


You hit the nail on the head when read with this :


When the intent is there, towards wholeness, then these desires get managed accordingly over time.

A well thought post ! :)

izi
13 April 2008, 10:31 AM
Develop insatiable lust for god and then you will never be satisfied until you find him or her within, LOL

Honestly I find the idea of sex with humans absolutely disgusting, think of all the strange karmic debts you are incurring by allying yourself in such a way with them, it's like having sex with a dog....

If you really think about who you are having sex with and know them inside and out then it might not be so bad. Sex itself is one of the highest forms of spiritual ecstasy, it would never have been created if it were not good, yet with the highest also comes the lowest, so watch out. :D

Or not...fall on your face and then you will just learn it from experience...that's the best teacher!

Nuno Matos
17 April 2008, 02:52 AM
Namaste Lady H.


" Develop insatiable lust for god and then you will never be satisfied until you find him or her within, LOL "

I think that there is a slight traceble diference bettewen sex and love altought in truth they are and should be the same.
Sex in this accordance means procriation and as to do with gender and role. It is off course much more primitive than mamo love. Insects and plants have it.
In a individual love is always new, it must be other wise it is not love, and it´s newer than sex. Love is creative and as nothing to do with gender or role. It is artificial ( a fabrication of the individual mind ) and never ending if not destroyed i.e. nihil, it passes over generations and multiple reencarnations.

Arjuna
22 April 2008, 05:20 PM
1. Food, unlike sex, is a necessity for the body and soul.

Food is needed only for body – unlike sex, which is needed for psychology as well.


2. Food does not make a person crave for it repeatedly. It is not habit-forming.

Food does make many people to crave for it. So obvious fact btw :D


3. Food does not drain energy, specially the vital energy.

Sex also doesn't drain energy. Excessive sex and celibacy does drain energy exactly as over-eating and fasting.


4. Food, unlike indiscriminate sex, does not cause deadly diseases such as the Aids.

From food people get numerous diseases. One should take care with food and with sex, there are known methods.