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yajvan
06 November 2007, 01:50 PM
Hari Om
~~~~~

Namaste,

We have talked in the past about various levels of consciousness

Waking or jagrat chetana
Dreaming or swapn chetana
Dreamless Sleep or sushupti chetana
Brahma Sakshtkara ( Self Realization) or turiyatit chetana (sustained turya)Yet if we look at this waking state we all experience, it too has varying degrees of wakefulness in it. I thought I would poke around at this and see what you think on this matter.

In waking state of ones present consciousness of most people [ this does not include the jnanis , those possessed of the SELF ] experience object-centered wakefulness. One is fully given to the action at hand, and completely absorbed in that action.

Let say you have a project that is due, and your full attention is on it's completion. At this point there is no SELF awareness, no self-referral, no conscious subjectivity, just the job of finishing the project. In this state "I" is completely absorbed in doing. This was the notion discussed before called abuddha: a or 'not' + bhu 'to become or exist' ; or budh ' to enlighten , to know'. So it is without the knowledge of enlightenment or SELF referral.

Lets add a new level - this is called jagrat + swapn (some write svapna). It is commonly called day dreaming. A most interesting state. I think we all had this experience? We are working on that project, or watching TV or reading a book, kind of absorbed, then the mind shifts and one is mentally somewhere else.
This somewhere else is a subjective experience, yes? We did not move or catch a train to a different location, yet in our mind, our imagination or thoughts, we are re-living an event, planning something, we're in the past or in the future, but we are no longer reading that book [ or working on the project ]. You are now traveling in the impressions that are stored in your mind i.e. You no longer are in a pure waking state [jagrat].

Now can one go to another level - that of jagrat + sushupt while in waking state? That is, one is no longer engaged with their book or project nor are they traveling in their impressions; some also call these impressions memories, vasanas, some say samskara is the raw materials that are used here.

This level of experience is most like but not equal to higher states of consciousness. One is still awake, in consciousness yet the objective world and the past impressions are not dominant. What makes this less then Supreme Consciousness, is the native is not fully functional, nor is s/he in a SELF referral state. They are neither enjoying or aware of this condition, yet still possessed of it. Some people with narcolepsy report this experience; not all some.

I Mention this because people do have these experiences… As one unfolds more awareness, and the foundation of turya gets established, without flickering, then one will be able to see that there are various states of consciousness inside the 3 fundamental states of wake, dream and sleep.

Has anyone had these experiences? That is, dreaming while awake, most have, but how about awake while asleep in sushupti?

For those sadhu's this experience may come and go; for some its rewarding for others it seems unusual at first. I mention this as one experiences various gaps or sankrati also called sandhya, the junction points, one may experience turya or SELF or pure I (Aham) at these gaps more easily.

What gaps ? The gap between wake and dream, dream and sleep, sleep and wake. Are there other gaps? Sure between night and day ( morning twilight some call Brahma mahurta), day and night or

Morning is Brahma Muhurta Sandhya
Noon for Vishnu Sandhya
Sunset called Mahesha Sandhya
Midnight called Kali or Turiya SandhyaAre there other gaps? Yes even between breaths, between the blink of an eye…. These sandhya which allow life to cycle through their motions yet are based in the foundation of pure consciousness that brings continuity to one's life experience. To experience this, this continuity this Bhuma , Fullness , is the SELF.

Any additional insights are welcomed...



pranams,

izi
06 November 2007, 08:20 PM
This is a pretty intense set of questions.

I cannot really say for certain I know everything about in-between states, but I do realize there is an interesting link between the "cracks in the fabric of time and space". Between the night and day, and between sleeping and waking...and in the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra, we are told that at each turn of the breath, the sacred awaits our interaction with it....

Maybe it sounds scary but when I am driving my car sometimes I enter into this pattern of memorized routes that science has discovered is a forged pathway in the brain from repeated driving. When I stopped to realize I was driving on the freeway on automatic without thinking, it made me nervous at first, then I realized I was just reacting naturally without thought and have never been in a sleepy situation.

It's about unitiing the body of light, wouldn't you say? So we can control our urges to slip in and out of dreams and waking, or control our rhythms at will? Bridging those cracks..

Nuno Matos
06 November 2007, 08:58 PM
Namaste LadyHydralisk & Yajvan


I think that does junction points are there to remember us of the totality of the Self.

yajvan
06 November 2007, 09:22 PM
Hari Om
~~~~~

in the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra, we are told that at each turn of the breath, the sacred awaits our interaction with it...

It's about unitiing the body of light, wouldn't you say? So we can control our urges to slip in and out of dreams and waking, or control our rhythms at will? Bridging those cracks..


Namaste LH and NM,
thanks for spending a few cycles on this. As you mention Vijnana Bharirva is a masterwork that gives us a beautiful list ( 112 of them) of techniques. Obviously the brilliance of Bhairava giving His insights to Devi is unmatched.

Many of the approaches He offers are 'gap based' techniques. As Nuno implies in is post that the SELF is in these junction points, the totality.

One notion that we can use as a example so one can picture a gap is simple. Lets say you are walking down a hall way that is dark. As you pass by someones room you see the light seeping out from the edges , top and bottom, sides of the door. A stark contrast to the darkness of the hall way. Like that as one goes from one state of consciousness to another, this Light of the SELF is there, in the gap.

It is allowing yourself to be aware and to pay attention to this, that one begins to appreciate the value in the gap. First we have to know that there is something there, then we pay attention... like that one can practice this. And the grooming of this attention is the offer in Vijnana Bharirva.

Meditation takes it to another level. To take advantage of the gaps in the day, the month ( that is the moon's cycles or tithi's), planets movement, etc. All create these gaps.

What one finds is the wake-dream-sleep cycle is based upon the underlying stability of this consciousness that is found in the gap ( pure consciousness, some call pure awareness). This is the SELF, the Infinite.

This is what the guru's and swami's and pundits ask us to consider and realize in our lives...stabilizing that gap level of consciousness as a normal mode of functioning, all day and night , all year, 7x24x365.

This is the basis for Brahma Sakshtkara we call Self Realization or turiyatit chetana (sustained turya). I mention this beasue this is when one really is Awake! Fullness of Being.

pranams,

saidevo
06 November 2007, 09:38 PM
Namaste Yajvan.

All the first three states (waking, dreaming, dreamless quiet) are experienced as sub-states by everyone in the first two states but not in the third. Everyone has these sub-states and can be aware of it by focussing their consciousness suitably.

We may also include the tiny gap between one thought and another, one heart beat and another, one surging pulse and another, one clock tick and another etc. in the examples of 'sandhya' you have given. 'sandhya' is the largest when the yugas meet in the 'yuga sandhi'.

Matter and life manifest in systolic-diastolic cycles over the substratum of cosmic consciousness (which is Brahman) and hide it in different shades of darkness. The noise and shades of the tide and ebb of the wave of life has a parrallel in the subtle levels of mind and emotions and distract the Self from awareness of its own real nature.

Physical life is often felt to be monotonous in the normal wave of everyday life. Life is in ripples when we have nothing to do and feel bored. When emotions swell, personal and social life is in rollers and cause destruction. When hurdles brought into effect by our 'vasanAs' upset the tidal flow of billowing waves of our desires and expectations, life takes the form of breakers and dissipates into froth and scum, so we may learn our lesson of getting beyond the waves and focussing on the Self.

yajvan
06 November 2007, 10:18 PM
Hari Om
~~~~~

Namste saidevo, LH,NM.

I mention this as the first post needed to be set to explain the experience I was afforded...

During sleep I was given the opportunity to 'see' sleep, deep sleep on one side, and dream on the other side, and "I" was in the middle. I viewed both these sides and just looked. I did not want to get tugged back one way or the other. A rewarding experience. I have found one needs to remain innocent and not manipulate the situation as this fabric of consciousness is very delicate.

I avoid talking about my own experiences, as in general people get puffed up chests and the ego inflates, when one bears their experiences, as if they solved the answer for cold fusion!

Yet I thought this was worth the offering. A very simple, natural and rewarding experience that most any one can have and can be explained.

pranams,

Soul
07 November 2007, 05:25 PM
Hari Om
~~~~~

This is what the guru's and swami's and pundits ask us to consider and realize in our lives...stabilizing that gap level of consciousness as a normal mode of functioning, all day and night , all year, 7x24x365.

pranams,

A warm hello to All and Thank-you Yajvan for this very clear description .... not only this quoted, but every word.
I find myself speechless now.

Peace,
Soul

yajvan
08 November 2007, 03:41 PM
Hari Om
~~~~~


We have talked in the past about various levels of consciousness

Waking or jagrat chetana
Dreaming or swapn chetana
Dreamless Sleep or sushupti chetana
Brahma Sakshtkara ( Self Realization) or turiyatit chetana (sustained turya)What gaps ? The gap between wake and dream, dream and sleep, sleep and wake. Are there other gaps? Sure between night and day ( morning twilight some call Brahma mahurta), day and night or

Morning is Brahma Muhurta Sandhya
Noon for Vishnu Sandhya
Sunset called Mahesha Sandhya
Midnight called Kali or Turiya SandhyaAre there other gaps? Yes even between breaths, between the blink of an eye…. These sandhya which allow life to cycle through their motions yet are based in the foundation of pure consciousness that brings continuity to one's life experience. To experience this, this continuity this Bhuma , Fullness , is the SELF. Any additional insights are welcomed...

Namaste,
I was thinking about another gap. That of Narasimha. He himself is a example of the gap. Here's how this goes in the story of Hiranyakashipu, Prahlada, and Narasimha.

Brahma offers a favor (boon) to Hiranyakashipu, in which Hiranyakashipu requests the following:

Hiranyakashipu's reqest
O my lord, O best of the givers of benediction, if you will kindly grant me the benediction I desire, please let me not meet death from any of the living entities created by you. Grant me that I not die within any residence or outside any residence, during the daytime or at night, nor on the ground or in the sky.
Grant me that my death not be brought by any being other than those created by you, nor by any weapon, nor by any human being or animal. Grant me that I not meet death from any entity, living or nonliving. Grant me, further, that I not be killed by any demigod or demon or by any great snake from the lower planets. Since no one can kill you in the battlefield, you have no competitor. Therefore, grant me the benediction that I too may have no rival. Give me sole lordship over all the living entities and presiding deities, and give me all the glories obtained by that position.

Prahlada
Hiranyakashipu's son Prahlada, based upon earlier training by Narada, becomes a devoted follower of Vishnu, much to his father's disappointment and chagrin. Hiranyakashipu eventually becomes so angry at his son's devotion to Vishnu (who he sees as his mortal enemy) that he decides he must kill his son.

Enter Narasimha
He appears for the defense of Prahlada and moves to attack Hiranyakashipu. In order to kill Hiranyakashipu and not upset the boon given by Brahma the form of Narasimha was chosen.

Hiranyakashipu could not be killed by human, deva or animal, Narasimha is neither one of these, as he is a form of Vishnu incarnate as a part-human, part-animal He is the gap!.

He comes upon Hiranyakashipu at twilight (when it is neither day nor night, the gap!) on the threshold of a courtyard (neither indoors nor out, another gap). This threshold as many stories go, Narasimha manifests out from a column, neither inside or outside of the home. Just as you walk through a door, that in-between space, called a door jam, is neither outside or inside, and every time I do this I think of Narasimha.

Narasimha then proceeds to put the demon on his lap (neither earth nor space). And using his nails (neither animate or inanimate) as weapons, he tears apart the demon.

Gaps are all around....

pranams,

Soul
08 November 2007, 05:43 PM
Hi All...

Beautiful... and the gap always IS...

What about when the gap ceases to be a gap and it is , the awareness of consciousness, Oneness, continuous , behind all that we appear to be doing...

The gap has increased to include all actions...

Now for me, lately , the gap is reversed... There's a steady abidance and then there is a gap where identification happens , as a gap, then back to realization... well that's the past (lately) and there's no knowing about future..

It takes a certain kind of vision or understanding to see the meanings of these stories....

In a yoga forum I was on many people actually take the Bhagavad Gita story literally and so think it is ok to kill... I tried to explain that the story was an allegory... but many can't see it... They probably haven't seen the gap or been aware of it...

That's ok. Glad I found this forum...

Be in Peace,
Soul

yajvan
08 November 2007, 06:47 PM
Hari Om
~~~~~

Hi All...

Beautiful... and the gap always IS...

What about when the gap ceases to be a gap and it is , the awareness of consciousness, Oneness, continuous , behind all that we appear to be doing...

The gap has increased to include all actions...

Now for me, lately , the gap is reversed... There's a steady abidance and then there is a gap where identification happens , as a gap, then back to realization... well that's the past (lately) and there's no knowing about future..

It takes a certain kind of vision or understanding to see the meanings of these stories....

In a yoga forum I was on many people actually take the Bhagavad Gita story literally and so think it is ok to kill... I tried to explain that the story was an allegory... but many can't see it... They probably haven't seen the gap or been aware of it...

That's ok. Glad I found this forum... Be in Peace, Soul


Namaste Soul,

When the gap ceases then we have Reality 7x24x365. We have many names for this. A reasonable post on this http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1822 .

Yet when this gap becomes the 'norm' one can rejoice in Brahma Sakshtkara (Self Realization) or turiyatit chetana (sustained turya).
This is the blessing, and sounds like you are making progress.http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/images/icons/icon7.gif


re: allegory - yes I see your point. The rsi (rishi) has always used sanketa or symbols to tell the story of truth. In fact even the devata do not like to be called by their direct name like Indra. We find His name is Indha, and as the Kurcha Brahmana suggest they (the devata) prefer indirect names.

If one looks to another Upanishad (Aitareya) we see Indra as Idandra and again prefers the indirect name of Indra. This Idandra is IT Seeing [Idam or Brahman] And this Idaa also = praise, so Idana is the act of Praising. Not only is Idandra (Indra) IT Seeing, but also praising.

Here's a post for your consideration on an example of symbols regarding birds: http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2049

And this post helps understand the significance of certain numbers we see ( 4, 10, 1000, etc) , cows educating sadhus with the help of birds and fire, etc. http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showpost.php?p=13877&postcount=6

perhaps you will find it of interest.


pranams,

Soul
08 November 2007, 08:44 PM
Thanks Yajvan...

Just read the links, and funny you refer to Chandogya Upanishad... I was reading it last night (I was inspired to read it again after reading another post)...
Now I understand more about the symbolism...
and see that sometimes one needs a good teacher who understands what the symbolism means to see a deeper meaning of the story...

Namaskar,
Soul

yajvan
11 November 2007, 12:57 PM
Hari Om
~~~~~


Gaps are all around....



Namaste,

these gaps are all around..why is it we need a technique or two to experience this gap, this pure consciousness that is the foundation of Waking or jagrat chetana, Dreaming or swapn chetana, Dreamless Sleep or sushupti chetana?

IMHO and my studies, it is because it is perfectly homogeneous. Just perfect silence. We are beings that are subject to change...and we recognize and register change. It is not until something changes that we can compare & contrast. We cannot tell how big the perfectly calm ocean is till we see a wave...then we can compare the wave to the rest of the ocean for perspective.

We have difficulty with happiness till we experience sorrow to compare if we where happy to begin with... [ isn't that a pickle, eh? ]

As I am studying the Spanda-karikas ( spanda is a vibration, a throb and karikas are verses ], it calls out that nothing is not Siva. No place exists that is not Siva.

Siva is not hiding on us... in His manifest form He is creation and expresses it via shakti. And He is pramata ( the subject of perception), prameya ( the object) and pramana ( the means of knowing - or our senses and intellect). Where is He hiding? He is Both the transcendent and the world/creation we see ...some may say both vishottirna and vishamaya.

The rishi Ksemaraja says 'nothing can obstruct Him even in the state of the world, for the SELF as Siva has the nature which cannot be veiled.'
So we ask , where is He hiding?

It must be we as humans must have this blemish of perception. Due to this blemish, we need to start somewhere with this perception and that place to consider (say the wise) is with the gaps. Why so? It is junction points of contrast. Oh I see activity, then no activity, perfect stillness ...ah'hhh! I see/experience silence.

This is the 'compare and contrast' nature we have as human beings. This silence is so delicate, it pervades everything ( this is the experience one has later in their development says my teacher).

In the beginning we find the silence in us, this is SELF, this is the restful alertness. But here is the deal - the 'effort and chasing' you put on this experience the more it alludes you. What so? because effort is action, action is part of the manifest creation, His Shakti, His permutations of the 'dance'.One needs to be without this activity... then one experinces the silence, the transcendental field of consciousness.

That is why we calm down, we remove the flame from the boiling water on the stove ( our mind). The pot of boiling water calms down and becomes still. Like that, calmness is said to be the means [ Krsna, Bhagavad gita Gita 6.3 ]. Why so? So the mind can be attentive to the gaps, not chase them, but attentive, aware and observe of them.

This is so different to our society to get ahead, to achieve, yes? There's a put your head down and run hard to the goal. Effort, trying, do not give in, be tough. This behavoir is in contrast of the need to be calm and inward-attentive.

So if we choose to achieve this moksha with a football players mentality , it will not bear fruit. The gaps will never yield to being tackled, captured and squeezed.

It is that compare and contrast nature of simplicity w/o chasing that will assist one to experince these gaps.

pranams

saidevo
11 November 2007, 09:03 PM
Namaste everyone.



these gaps are all around..why is it we need a technique or two to experience this gap, this pure consciousness that is the foundation of Waking or jagrat chetana, Dreaming or swapn chetana, Dreamless Sleep or sushupti chetana?


In the systolic-diastolic cycle of everything in manifestation, the duration of these gaps (I think) is very tiny and remains the same throughout. By focussing our awareness on them we experience the divine silence and bliss they afford, which is the real nature of our Self.

We cannot make the gaps grow longer in time, but we can increase our awareness of them. One way to do this is to sink the smaller gaps in the rhythm of larger gaps, which is what meditation is all about, so to say. In meditation, we focus our attention on breathing initially to find and become aware of the gaps. Then we contemplate on a single thought to sink the ripples of other thoughts. Then we try to let go even this single thought and experience the absolute bliss.

It is more like trying to seize up and retain the big picture. At ground level we see and hear the turmoil of life. When we rise higher to have an aerial view, the turmoil of life is immersed in the silence of the landscape that becomes visible now. The higher we rise, the quieter it grows. The key is to raise our personal frequency.

yajvan
12 November 2007, 11:01 AM
Hari Om
~~~~~

Namaste everyone.


.... we experience the divine silence and bliss they afford, which is the real nature of our Self.

We cannot make the gaps grow longer in time, but we can increase our awareness of them. One way to do this is to sink the smaller gaps in the rhythm of larger gaps, which is what meditation is all about, so to say. In meditation, we focus our attention on breathing initially to find and become aware of the gaps. Then we contemplate on a single thought to sink the ripples of other thoughts. Then we try to let go even this single thought and experience the absolute bliss.

It is more like trying to seize up and retain the big picture. At ground level we see and hear the turmoil of life. When we rise higher to have an aerial view, the turmoil of life is immersed in the silence of the landscape that becomes visible now. The higher we rise, the quieter it grows. The key is to raise our personal frequency.


Namaste saidevo,
A interesting post indeed. Once our awareness is the gap, then the length of the gap becomes 7x24x365. But I do see what you are saying. Today, the gaps have been mentioned are in our lives, during day-and night. So the gap you mentioned are in fact the light shining though the cracks (gaps) during the day if one puts their attention on it. Yet if we chase the gap, we push it away.


When we rise higher to have an aerial view, the turmoil of life is immersed in the silence of the landscape that becomes visible now. The higher we rise, the quieter it grows

This is a realistic experience any one can have during travel ( by plane).
When one flys over s city, you are in the air looking down. How any people are living, dying, talking thinking, working, buzzing around! Yet you look down on the city and you see quiet , silence, you do not even see people, yet the level of activity, of diversity is there with a perfervid clamor if one was down on the ground. This I find most amazing and rewarding to consider as it gives on perspective.

You are correct - changing the frequency is key - that is ~ = to changing the Gunas and mix in ones life... we are the only pasu I know that has this gift.

praqnams,

Soul
12 November 2007, 03:25 PM
Hari Om
~~~~~



Namaste saidevo,
A interesting post indeed. Once our awareness is the gap, then the length of the gap becomes 7x24x365. But I do see what you are saying. Today, the gaps have been mentioned are in our lives, during day-and night. So the gap you mentioned are in fact the light shining though the cracks (gaps) during the day if one puts their attention on it. Yet if we chase the gap, we push it away.



This is a realistic experience any one can have during travel ( by plane).
When one flys over s city, you are in the air looking down. How any people are living, dying, talking thinking, working, buzzing around! Yet you look down on the city and you see quiet , silence, you do not even see people, yet the level of activity, of diversity is there with a perfervid clamor if one was down on the ground. This I find most amazing and rewarding to consider as it gives on perspective.

You are correct - changing the frequency is key - that is ~ = to changing the Gunas and mix in ones life... we are the only pasu I know that has this gift.

praqnams,



Namaste,

Liberation or Self -realization is beyond the play of the gunas... there are many sacred texts where this is written. It is beyond any "individual frequency" and yet it includes All frequencies....

We are All...
We are Brahman...
We are Consciousness...
We are Shiva...

Who we are is That in which the gunas are able to play...

There is no separate "I" which does anything.... The more we remember this, the more we talk like this and remind each other.. the more we remain in the truth of who we are, the more we live , day by day, moment by moment , as the truth of who we are..


Enjoy these magic moments...
Soul

yajvan
12 November 2007, 03:46 PM
Hari Om
~~~~~~


Namaste,

Liberation or Self -realization is beyond the play of the gunas... there are many sacred texts where this is written. It is beyond any "individual frequency" and yet it includes All frequencies....

We are All...
We are Brahman...
We are Consciousness...
We are Shiva...


Namaste Soul,
yes, this is true. This can be found in the Bhagavad Gita [chap 2.45] as Krsna informs Arjuna to be without the 3 gunas.

He then goes on to say in verse 48 ' yogastha kuru karmani' - established in yoga, union, perform actions. This IMHO is the cornerstone of the Gita, from these words the gita is errected as one of the most insightful teachings one can consider.

If you are not with the 3 gunas, where are you? With the SELF. If you are with the SELF, this union, then one is established in turiyatit chetana (sustained turya) or Brahma Sakshtkara ( Self Realization).

This is where the gap ends...this is the gap that shines though.

re: indiviual frequency
This is exchanged for or dropped for Universal Frequency; not that it wasn't already. If we think there is two , the it causes some mischief as if one needs to exchange their frequency generator for another one.
The one we have is just fine...Just not tuned-in lets say.

thank you for the post.

Idam brahma, idam kshatram, ime lokah, ime devah, imani bhutani, idam sarvam yad ayam atma.
This Source of knowledge; this source of power; all these worlds; all these gods; all these beings; All this is just the Self... Yajnavalkya muni , Brihadaranyaka Upanisad

Nuno Matos
12 November 2007, 04:18 PM
Namaste


The Jiva in it's existence as an egg of light lives a separate reality. The fullness of brahman is lived as an individual fullness or ego. This ego or personality defines in a normal (Jiva or Purusha) person what he is.
Now what is beyond the normal self ? The Self who can not be bound, the self that is in all that is seen and as beyond that, the same self that was taken by the Jiva in avidya to be it self now unbounded and with infinite possibilities.
Sarabhanga and other's have pointed out that this self Brahman is Shiva. Now Shiva is also called de destroyer; and what is Shiva? As far as I have understood he is conciousness.
Now you all may ask what is he talking about in a forum that has bin dealing with cracks?
It is because does cracks are Shiva's work to remind us of our totality, Brahman or himself. In that order a crack is opened in our light egg so that the fullness, which is every were and Yajvan is always talking about, may flood. Freeing the individual into the absolute.


Om namah Shivaya!!

satay
14 November 2007, 09:30 PM
is the jagrat + sushupt state similar to one experiencing his self witnessing? e.g. in a moment one can become 'aware' sometimes...but it doesn't last though...

yajvan
15 November 2007, 01:21 PM
Hari Om
~~~~~~


is the jagrat + sushupt state similar to one experiencing his self witnessing? e.g. in a moment one can become 'aware' sometimes...but it doesn't last though...


Namste satay,

A good question...here is a few ways to consider this:

This level of experience is most like but not equal to higher states of consciousness. One is still awake, in consciousness yet the objective world and the past impressions are not dominant. What makes this less then Supreme Consciousness, is the native is not fully functional, nor is s/he in a SELF referral state. They are neither enjoying or aware of this condition, yet still possessed of it. Some people with narcolepsy report this experience; not all some.

When witnessing , there is awareness of what is transacting.
There is the inside, the awareness, and then there is what is going on outside of ones awareness experience, in the surrounding environment. We are awake to what is going on. In jagrat + sushupt this is not the case.

This witnessing can be triggered all different ways... one way I found that will trigger it is public speaking. When one is not used to this, it is an uncomfortable experience. Some say they have an out of the body experience. What is being experienced is the SELF or awareness, as different from the activity that is going one, even speaking. The person says ' I was watching myself talk'. A classic witnessing experience .


Perhaps a few posts from Vijnana Bhairava (knowledge or to discern + Bhaurava or the Supreme, His nature is Aham)
To suggest some techniques for this. Meditation is one that many practice - this Vijnana Bhairava suggests ~112 techniques. If there is interest we can start a post & discussion.

Hope this helps.

pranams,