Study of the Paramatman

[izi]

I would like to discuss this important principle of divine embodiment. How many of you know one who has achieved transcendence at this level of absolute reality?

I would like to know what it is like to achieve rebirth with one who has also attained the state of mind of the paramatman, and if there are any upanishad teachings that deal with the merging of two bodies on the standard of the paramatman.

[Jigar]

I would like to discuss this important principle of divine embodiment. How many of you know one who has achieved transcendence at this level of absolute reality?

I would like to know what it is like to achieve rebirth with one who has also attained the state of mind of the paramatman, and if there are any upanishad teachings that deal with the merging of two bodies on the standard of the paramatman.

Namaste,

I feel I have accomplished the merger of such reading. Taken arm with a state of mind, I regret to inform you of few personas who have been susceptible too such manifestation



Maste nam,
Jigar

[yajvan]

Hari Om
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Namaste,

I feel I have accomplished the merger of such reading. Taken arm with a state of mind, I regret to inform you of few personas who have been susceptible too such manifestation
Maste nam, Jigar

Namaste Jigar,

I will bite the worm on the hook.. I plead ignorant to what you have said.
Please advise on the following:


I have accomplished the merger of such reading - what was accomplished e.g. what merger?
Taken arm with a state of mind - what state of mind? wake, dream, sleep, turiya?
regret to inform you of few personas who have been susceptible too such manifestation - the manifestation of ? and who i.e. which personas ( is this persons? or persōna mask, character)?...happy to engage in a dialog once I get the nature of the message.

pranams

[sm78]

I would like to discuss this important principle of divine embodiment. How many of you know one who has achieved transcendence at this level of absolute reality?

I would like to know what it is like to achieve rebirth with one who has also attained the state of mind of the paramatman, and if there are any upanishad teachings that deal with the merging of two bodies on the standard of the paramatman.

One who as "attained" the paramatman has no future life to take birth in but only to live out the present...

...unless u expect there are avatars in this forum!!

[izi]

Thanks for the replies. I am studying on how to manifest this at an earthly level and not merely physical to spirit as is often done, right? Well, not often, but often enough, and it's not enough to recalibrate this entire creation.

MY research suggests that the feminine has to merge into the masculine and attain to the supreme absolute, thus you cannot have any attachments whatsoever.

That means two individuals, one male, one female, both having achieved liberation, and both able to transcend duality and all earthly attachments. Two aspects of the absolute, crunched into perfect and completely realized opposites, then throw them together and hope for a huge explosion.

I think it is completely doable but I get the suspicion I am missing some key components...

Oh well...a few more rounds about the universe never hurt anyone...

:)

[Arvind Sivaraman]

I would like to discuss this important principle of divine embodiment. How many of you know one who has achieved transcendence at this level of absolute reality?

I would like to know what it is like to achieve rebirth with one who has also attained the state of mind of the paramatman, and if there are any upanishad teachings that deal with the merging of two bodies on the standard of the paramatman.

Om Shirdi Sai Ram.
Namaste LadyHydralisk
1)It is only elevated souls ie;saints like Sri Shirdi Sai Baba,Sri Ramakrishna Parahamsa,Swami Vivekananda,Sri Ramana Maharishi etc. who have achieved the absolute reality.
2)If one attains the mind of paramatman then there is no question of rebirth.
3)In Valmiki Ramayanam,the Paramatman is Sri Ram, the Jivatma(Human Soul) is Godess Sita and Acharyan (Spiritual Teacher or Guide) is Hanuman.Sri Hanuman is instrumental in uniting the Jivatman with the Paramatman.This leela is extensively dealt with in Srimad Valmiki Sundarakandam.Hence you may treat Valmiki Sundarakandam as the upanishad (Since Valmiki Ramayanam is considered as the Vedas.).

[izi]

Thank you Arvind that is extremely helpful. I have been considering Hanuman and his unusual yantra over the past few months maybe that is where I should continue studies.

I don't know any of the people you mentioned I will have to read up and get back to the thread.

[Nuno Matos]

Namaste LadyHydralisk

Poor Shiva:mad:





Jaya Shiva Bole! Namah Shivaya!
Om namah Ganapataye !

[Bob G]

Om
"Paramatman" is not a state of mind, for Pure Mind is Pure Sakti.


Atattva: Parasiva, Absolute Reality, beyond all categories (of even Pure Mind)

[Nuno Matos]

Namaste Bob G

" Om
"Paramatman" is not a state of mind, for Pure Mind is Pure Sakti."

There is no such thing as pure Mind for mind doesn't act alone and it has mistakes.
Unless you are considering your individual power being given as a blessing, to some that is a curse, or acquired by individual sadahna
Shackti is above the coverings of the mind, Maya belongs to Shiva which is pure Self a paradox.
In Turya we all partake from the same power i.e. pure Shackti as we become Self established. Only in Turyaitiita does the mind appears as Pure Mind and only in Turya chetana is Paramatman see as a state of mind.
What do you think about the above said?

Om namah Shivaya!

[izi]

Om
"Paramatman" is not a state of mind, for Pure Mind is Pure Sakti.


Atattva:

Parasiva, Absolute Reality, beyond all categories (of even Pure Mind)



Ok I read some translation somewhere that said Paramatman meant "man of the earth"

I have no idea because I, unfortunately, know nothing about any Eastern languages outside of Japan.

Two friends in the tantric arts have both mentioned to me that the two practitioners would have to die to achieve this....

any input into the discussion is satisfactory on such a weird and advanced topic...

[Bob G]

Namaste Nuno,

I did not mean "mind" in the sense of mental power, mental realms, states, or intellect.

Pure Mind, Pure Sakti and Pure Bliss are not separate, yet Parasiva is transcendent; (per many schools)
and not unlike Pure Sakti being transcendent of regular or dualistic mind.

[Bob G]

Hello Lady Hydralist,

I suggest the eight limbed yoga that starts with yama and niyama and always and carefully maintains yama and niyama! One does not and can not get the Divine power per-se or like one can get most things; for if one is true and sincere the Divine power will get them. (and work through them)

This Divine power rests in the very, very deepest depth of the heart of all Beings.

Victory Satguru

Om

[Bob G]

Chandogya Upanisad, from chapter 8

'Now , here in this fort of Brahman there is a small lotus, a dwelling place, and within it, a small space. In that space there is something--and that's what you should try to discover, that's what you should seek to perceive.'
If they ask him: 'yes here in this fort of Brahman there is a small lotus, a dwelling place and within it a small space. But what is there in that space that we should try to discover, that we should seek to percieve?'-- He should reply: As vast as the space here around us is, is this space within the heart, and within it are contained both earth and sky, both fire and wind, both sun and moon, both lightning and stars. What belongs here to this space around us, as well as what does not--all that is contained within it.'

[izi]

Hello Lady Hydralist,

I suggest the eight limbed yoga that starts with yama and niyama and always and carefully maintains yama and niyama! One does not and can not get the Divine power per-se or like one can get most things; for if one is true and sincere the Divine power will get them. (and work through them)

This Divine power rests in the very, very deepest depth of the heart of all Beings.

Victory Satguru

Om

Very well said and true....thank you, these are very good reminders.

[yajvan]

Hari Om
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Thanks for the replies. I am studying on how to manifest this at an earthly level and not merely physical to spirit as is often done, right? Well, not often, but often enough, and it's not enough to recalibrate this entire creation.

MY research suggests that the feminine has to merge into the masculine and attain to the supreme absolute, thus you cannot have any attachments whatsoever.

That means two individuals, one male, one female, both having achieved liberation, and both able to transcend duality and all earthly attachments. Two aspects of the absolute, crunched into perfect and completely realized opposites, then throw them together and hope for a huge explosion.
I think it is completely doable but I get the suspicion I am missing some key components... Oh well...a few more rounds about the universe never hurt anyone...:)

Namaste,
You have said alot above...

thus you cannot have any attachments whatsoever.
This does not come by effort... that is to say I will get rid of my house, and family and clothes as attachments, as things, then I may be free, this is not the intent. [ I am not suggesting you are thinking this, its just a spring board for the conversation]. The 'attachments' is the attachment of the SELF to the body, this is the greatest attachment. One cannot think there way of out it!

If you are curious about this, this HDF post may assist you:
http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1442
Realizing the SELF, the paramatman is not for the chosen few but for those that make it their intent. Yes, Yama and Niyama will assist you, yet these actions are nice guardrails for for the yogini ( that would be you), a good place to start if this path is new to you. Yet it is about turiya.

One can dabble in this , and one can get serious and make a firm resolve- then ones progress is proportional.
What is the path? If one does not know where they are going then any road will take you there... don't you think? So what is the this unfoldment? Perhaps this HDF Post(s) will serve you well:
http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1773
http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1822Please ask more questions to ponder there's much to discuss....

pranams,

[Bob G]

Lady Hydralisk,

Thanks for the feedback!

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