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yajvan
09 November 2007, 08:03 PM
Hari Om
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Namaste,
I am in hopes that at some point we can have a conversation on Kundalini , its benefits, and its stimulation.

I thought to post this site to begin... I am not the expert on this matter, but hope those that have this as a practice can step forward and assist with insights.

http://omnamo.narod.ru/yogakundalini.html

Chapt 1.37-38

This frees one from diseases of fire in (or inflammation of) the throat, increases the gastric fire within, enables one to know the Kundalini, produces purity removing sins, gives happiness and pleasure and destroys phlegm which is the bolt (or obstacle) to the door at the mouth of Brahma-Nadi (viz., Susumna).



pranams

Soul
09 November 2007, 08:23 PM
Hi Yajvan and All,

This has been an interesting subject for me in the last 2 or so years...

I don't practice "kundalini yoga " as such, yoga practices practiced with the intent of arousing Kundalini... but I have , in the last 14 years been practising asana and pranayam and a lot of sitting dharana (not so much sitting lately)...

A bit over 2 years ago while I was sitting, the body started to move back and forth, the head nodding back and forth, quite obviously.... looks quite funny!

In a retreat , I asked the teacher what it was (he was Zen monk) and he said the body will tell me. He said he had seen other monks with this in the past.

When sitting still , it still happens...

I came to the conclusion that this was Kundalini, that it is no big deal, and to let it do it's thing.... The body is not who I am nor is prana nor Kundalini...

I don't talk to many people about this because this society (here in Australia) is more focussed on material gain, in general, and the knowledge of matters such as this is not so great. I will read the link you posted though...

Thank-you...

namaskar,
Soul

Soul
09 November 2007, 09:25 PM
Namaste...

In the version of the Yoga Kundalini Upanishad linked to

http://omnamo.narod.ru/yogakundalini.html


21-22(a). This which tends to the accomplishment of all Yogas, should be learnt through the initiation of a Guru. He who recites this twelve times every day, will not get even in sleep that Maya (illusion) which is born in his body and which is the source of all vicious deeds.
22(b)-23. He who recites this five lakhs of times with very great care - to him the science of Khechari will reveal itself. All obstacles vanish and the Devas are pleased.

What does "he who recites this..." refer to ?
What is the Khechari mudra?

It is explained here...

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Yoga-Kundalini_Upanishad/id/23906

27. The seven syllables HRIM, BHAM, SAM, PAM, PHAM, SAM and KSHAM constitute the Khechari Mantra.



Still reading...



Hari Om,

Soul

sm78
11 November 2007, 03:35 AM
I like to present to this group some thoughts about kundalini. These
should only give a general idea about kundalini because some things
are to difficult and esoteric to be represented completely in a
posting. I apologize for that. I also apologize for errors if they
crept without my knowledge.

This i hope will give those interested some insight in a lesser known
perspective, and show a broader meaning of the Kundalini experience
existing beyond the idea of a energy current only (like electricty)
which is well known to most but which is only one aspect of kundalini
(called more properly Pranashakti if understood as a body force)

The term kundalini awakening is misleading, it is often misunderstood
as if the sleeping kundalini is not active and has to be awakened to
be experienced at all.

This is not so: to the contrary all that we experience is caused by
Kundalini, in fact our world is created by Kundalini.

Kundalini is called sleeping only because this description is from a
higher more enlightened viewpoint. Our normal way of perception of
our life and the world around us and ourself appear as sleep and a
poisonend state to a enlightened Yogi.
Because the Kundalini has caused our "sleep" she is called sleeping.

The sleeping Kundalini is the creative Force of the Universe She is
causing our universe to appear by actively DELUDING our mind and
senses thereby creating our conception of reality and our universe.

Creation is always the Limitation of the Boundless. That is why she
is the limiting factor (Space Time Necessity etc)

(One form of Kundalini called Para Kundalini created our Universe
another form of her created the mind complex she is called Chit
Kundalini and another Form is found in our body called Prana
Kundalini. In the awakening process each of these must be considered
alone and together)

She is therefore also the cause of the unawakened unenlightened
(limited ) consciousness.(appearing as the World. She is therefore
Jagadamba)

There are countless other shaktis who delude (limit) our
consciousness which arose during the creation. (In Laya Yoga some are
represented in the Chakras in Sri Vidya some are represented in the
avaranas of the Yantra, which is a representeation of our body and
the growth of a child in the womb also) Kundalini is the embodiment
of all deluding powerful shaktis.

Raising the Kundalini means to become oneself awake and aware of the
process of the dissolving of her shaktis ie. The delusion she had
caused by spreading outward as the universe and a human being..

The normal activity of kundalini devi is the process of creation
(sristhi) she is causing the delusion of duality and the human
being under the influence of the devi in the crative process is
entangled in worldy affairs. A human being under the influence of
the sleeping kundalini follows the pravritti marga thenormal
outgoing current of life the senses are bound and deluded by the the
sense impressions and the mind is outwardly orientated. This
perfectly in Harmony with the cosmic and human order and exemplified
by the 32worldly gains a human being is allowed to achieve called
artha kama within the boundary of dharma. The awakeneing of kundalini
is concerned with the other current called Nivritti Marga the return
to the cosmic source represented by the fourth pillar Moksha=
Enlightment.

When in the consciousness of a human being the will is born to be
free from the worldy state and he notices his state of slavery and
bondage of the worldy enjoyments (artha and kama) and wants to escape
another current of energy is initiated thats why it is called the
backward current nivritti marga or urdhva marg. (sthithi= withdrawal)
(there are also 2 modes of Avarana worship in sri vidya one of
withdrawal and one of creation sthiti /sristhi. The one is for
worldly gains (mostly practised by samaya marga) the other for moksha.

This turning point and the inward turning is a very natural flow of
life like the in and outbreath, or the heartbeat. After outward
projection and sense entangelment follows the inward movement and
disentanglement and return to the source.
This is the only :) healthy approach.

Because of this awakening of the mind of the human being the sleeping
poisonend state of the outward turnend world creating kundalini
changes and she also begins to turn inward and she involutes that
means she is destroying the world of delusion
she once created.

In Laya Yoga this dissolution is achieved by a series of Meditations
on the Chakras.
In Srividya by a similar series of Meditation based on the Sri yantra.

Also the Bhutashuddhi practise found in many Traditions is a practice
concernend with the Laya of the Bhutas and Kundalini.

Similiarly the Bandhas and Kriyas of Ha tha Yoga dissolve the
created body shaktis and awaken Prana Kundalini. (or Pranashakti)

The Dhyana of Ishta Devata in the Chakras and Adharas is used as a
important Laya process and as a means of inward turning also.

All these methods interact and are valid means

The movement of the sleeping poisonend deluded kundalini outwards
toward worldly enjoyment and illusion is also called the dakshina
marga (the way of creating and maintaining worlds for enjoyment)
The way of the Kundalini which is turned inward towards realisation
of the self and awake awareness) which also means reversing the
energy (prana) of the sense organs) is called vama marga or left
turning process. The common interpretations of
vama marga and dakshina marga are not touched by this it is simply
another possible interpretation in the context of Kundalini Yoga.

The objective world around us our idea about it (the impression in
our mind and our mind itself gradually vanish and are dissolved.

Before a human being can follow this Path of Laya-Yoga which means
translated Yoga of dissolution some qualities have to be present in
his mind stream at the moment he enters the upward flowing current.
One main Quality is the disgust for Samsara the other is the wish or
will to be awake aware or achieve enlightment.
Disgust for samsara is an absolute necessary state of mind for the
kundalini process changing from sristhi to sththi, you must have
realised the transitory nature of the world of the sense impression
and the futility of attachments to worldly ideas and goods.
Because the creation and maintenance of the universe for enjoyment is
the realm of the sleeping kundalini you cannot be attached to it and
leave it for the upward journey at the same time.
After the rise and downward movement of Kundalini you may return to
sense enjoyment and even use it as a means and practice but on a
refined level, but you must disattach completly first. (Even from
your Attachment to your body for achievement of space travel –called
khechari mudra)

The sleeping Kundalini is thought to reside in the muladhara chakra
coiled 3 and a half times around a Linga

The first coil represents the knower in bondage (pashu): Yourself.
Kundalini is asleep because of the attachment to the idea of
yourself. This idea of yourself does most oft not coincide with what
others think of you- usually you feel that you are much better person
then the others or you feel inferior. Also most often it is
influenced by your worldly achievements by monetary or scholarly
achievements or it is influenced by outward appearance.

To awake kundalini you have to destroy the erroneus idea you have
of yourself completely. Only then the natural state of mind can shine
forth (called "sahaja" in Yoga)

The second coil or bondage is the point of contact between the self
and the outer world. The means of knowledge. This contact functions
through the activity of your sense organs. Here in the unenlightened
state the flow is outwards toward the enjoyment and attachment to the
sense impressions. This causes the second coil of the sleeping
kundalini.

Awakened Kundalini shines forth as a light (jyothir) in the sense
organs and the five pranas and can be awakened by turning mind and
sense impression inward.

The third coil is representing the outer world known to you by the
activity of the five sense organs. This is called the thing to be
known (Object of Knowledge) and your attachment to the pleasing sense
impressions and your repulsion for the unpleasing keeps kundalini
asleep here
Only with no attachment (love or desire) or repulsion (hate-
aggression) to any sense impression kundalini can awake..
These three functions are also be called "the Measurer" the measuring
stick" and the "Thing to be measured". (Also known and represented
as the three lights: Sun Moon and Fire these are most intimately
connected with some methods of Kundalini Meditations)

Kundalini is a snake that can be awakened by hitting it with Stick
but this is a secret stick everybody has it but only a few know how
to wield it the cause of both pain and pleasure (your measuring
stick = your sense organs and impressions)

This seemed the most rational viewpoint on the topic to me. Personally, it makes no sense to talk about something which I have not experienced. However Kundalini Jagaran is said to be the most powerful method to break the 3 knots of ignorance.

Soul
11 November 2007, 06:02 PM
Thanks sm78.. I like this teaching:)

Hari Om,
Soul

MahaHrada
14 November 2007, 03:02 PM
Namaste
I was surprised to find a posting i did on another mailing list posted in another context and another forum.

Please let me correct some errors of that old posting:

The Polarities in the movement of Kundalini do not correspond to sristhi and sthiti but the Polarities are sristhi and samhara (Laya), meaning evolution and involution, creation and dissolution. the stable interim state of being, sthithi is the result of those 2.

That a person following the samaya marga is always looking only to achive worldy gains was a sinister joke suited to that Mailing List.

By coincidence i was just discussing Kundalini before i saw that old posting of mine here in Hindu Dharma Forum. So i guess this belongs here and iŽll add a few words culled form that conversation.

Kundalini is often understood as if she is some energy or force of the human that can be tapped by some mental or physical exercises.
That way i belive she cannot be properly understood.
First of all she is a devi no matter whether she is thought to be inside the body or not.

So there must be devotion to the Devi. Trying to awaken Kundalini without being a shakta or shaiva, alone by exercise of Pranayama or Bandhas or even altogether as an outsider to Hindu Dharma will cause a different experience, with the same Name tag put on it only.

Yoga and Tantra instead or side by side to outside Puja directed to a Murti and so on, very often prescribes focussing on the devas and devis inside the subtle body. Kundalini Yoga also is internalised worship.

Without the Belief in and the devotion to the transforming power of the divine Lady called Kubjika or Kundalini, Kundalini Yoga looses much of its beauty.

MahaHradanath

sm78
14 November 2007, 10:19 PM
Namaste
Please let me correct some errors of that old posting:

The Polarities in the movement of Kundalini do not correspond to sristhi and sthiti but the Polarities are sristhi and samhara (Laya), meaning evolution and involution, creation and dissolution. the stable interim state of being, sthithi is the result of those 2.

That a person following the samaya marga is always looking only to achive worldy gains was a sinister joke suited to that Mailing List.

Thanks for correcting the 2 points, though one scarcely notices them due to the merit of the remaining post.



By coincidence i was just discussing Kundalini before i saw that old posting of mine here in Hindu Dharma Forum. So i guess this belongs here and iŽll add a few words culled form that conversation.

I took the liberty of posting this from Shakti Sadhana group and hoping you didn't mind. We had a bit of mail exchange during a period when you left the group (i don't know if u wud remember me ... Saikat/Singhi Kaya)

MahaHrada
15 November 2007, 01:26 PM
Hi Singhi Kaya

Yes i remember you, we had some conversation just at the time when i was being banned from the SS List.

Please feel free to quote from my old Postings, you are right i donŽt mind.

Bob G
20 November 2007, 08:51 AM
Gopi Krishna has written several books that recount many of his wonderful experiences with Kundalini. (and there are also some that speak of his dangerous, misdirected episodes)

Kundalini yoga classes can be found in the yellow pages of the phone book, but I imagine only one in thousand (or fewer) of such listings are really qualified to teach it, or have mastery of same...and although I'm not qualified to make such a judgement, I basically believe that is extremely rare to find a fully enlightened and empowered Master of such.

Bob G
20 November 2007, 01:28 PM
Sm78,

Thank you for the post you shared!

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srivijaya
25 April 2008, 07:50 AM
Kundalini is often understood as if she is some energy or force of the human that can be tapped by some mental or physical exercises.
That way i belive she cannot be properly understood.
First of all she is a devi no matter whether she is thought to be inside the body or not.

Hi MahaHradanath,
Many thanks for such wonderful information. The dry 'technical' approach, you allude to above, is the one used in Tibetan tantra. Kundalini is known as Tum-Mo (the inner fire) and is attained by work on the chakras in order to reverse the flow of prana. It is never understood to be an aspect of the universal shakti, as these teachings are not found in Buddhism.

I personally find this approach (along with some yoga techniques - blocking etc.) to be little more than a kind of abuse. I think all attainments flow naturally from correct practice and to try to precipitate, or force some kind of result is counter productive. Some practitioners develop problems as a result of doing this.

The only way kundalini can make sense, in my opinion, is if it is taught in its full context, as you have outlined.

Namaste

MahaHrada
27 April 2008, 09:44 AM
Hi MahaHradanath,
Many thanks for such wonderful information. The dry 'technical' approach, you allude to above, is the one used in Tibetan tantra. Kundalini is known as Tum-Mo (the inner fire) and is attained by work on the chakras in order to reverse the flow of prana. It is never understood to be an aspect of the universal shakti, as these teachings are not found in Buddhism.

Namaste

My posting was not a criticism of any dharma or Sampradaya, just a general remark that imbalances in approach do happen because we are human after all, not because of my disagreement with any dharma.

So please do not understand my posting as a specific remark, directed against a special Philosophy or Dharma.

Unbalanced approaches can happen to anybody and in any philosophy especially if practices are undertaken out of the context of a valid tradition or by those who do not have the necessary qualifications or do not follow the example of experienced teachers.

I respect the teaching of all Dharmas including Sugata or Bauddha Dharma and this includes the Bauddha Kaula or Vajrayana.

Though not an astika teaching it has roots in a valid spiritual tradition and there are qualified teachers alive, so that none of my above cautionary remarks can be generally applied to yoga practices in the context of Vajrayana.

Of course, as i mentionend before, my posting is about the individual sadhakas approach so it can apply also to any practicioner of Vajrayana.

There can be someone practicing while unqualified and as a result of his shortcoming, a sound sadhana can lead to no or unsound results.

That way even after prolonged practice one may not fully appreciate nor be able to apply or even correctly judge the quality of what has been taught.


MahaHrada