Faith

[Bob G]

From the Chhandogya Upanishad

Chapter XIX — Reflection depends upon Faith

1. "When one has faith, only then does one reflect. One who does not have faith does not reflect. Only one who has faith reflects. One must desire to understand faith." "Venerable Sir, I desire to understand faith."
Chapter XX — Faith depends upon Single—Mindedness

1. "When one is single—minded in one’s devotion to the teacher, only then does one have faith. One who does not have single— mindedness does not have faith. Only one who has single— mindedness has faith. One must desire to understand single— mindedness." "Venerable Sir, I desire to understand single—mindedness...

[Ganeshprasad]

Pranam Bob G

Nice quote thank you.

You beat me to it I was going to start the thread on Faith in response to Suresh Ji attack on faith.

It is faith that moves mountain so the saying goes.

It is my faith in my mother (authority) who can reveal who my father is.


Jai Shree Krishna

[Ganeshprasad]

Pranam

As Krishna Bhagvan says

sraddhaval labhate jnanam
tat-parah samyatendriyah
jnanam labdhva param santim
acirenadhigacchati

The one who has faith, and is sincere, and has mastery over the senses, gains this knowledge. Having gained this, one at once attains the supreme peace. (4.39)

Jai Shree Krishna

[Bob G]

Hello Ganeshprasad,

Indeed and thank you for your contribution!

Faith is vital to the path and is not only defined as being blind.

[atanu]

Devoid of belief, unbelief, and wrath

Satapatha Brahmana

11:6:1:1. Now, Bhrigu, the son of Varuna, deemed himself superior to his father Varuna in knowledge. Varuna became aware of this: 'He deems himself superior to me in knowledge,' he thought.

11:6:1:2. He said, 'Go thou eastward, my boy; and having seen there what thou shalt see, go thou southwards; and having seen there what thou shalt see, go thou westward; and having seen there what thou shalt see, go thou northward; and having seen there what thou shalt see, go thou toward the northern of those two intermediate quarters in front, and tell me then what thou shalt see there.

11:6:1:3. He then went forth from thence eastward, and lo, men were dismembering men, hewing off their limbs one by one, and saying, 'This to thee, this to me!' He said, 'Horrible! woe is me! men here have dismembered men, hewing off their limbs one by one!' They replied, 'Thus, indeed, these dealt with us in yonder world, and so we now deal with them in return.' He said, 'Is there no atonement for this?'--'Yes, there is,' they replied.--'What is it?'--'Thy father knows.'

11:6:1:4. He went forth from thence southward, and lo, men were dismembering men, cutting up their limbs one by one, and saying, 'This to thee, this to me!' He said, 'Horrible! woe is me! men here have dismembered men, cutting up their limbs one by one!' They replied, 'Thus, indeed, these dealt with us in yonder world, and so we now deal with them in return.' He said, 'Is there no atonement for this?'--'Yes, there is,' they replied.--'What is it?'--'Thy father knows.'

11:6:1:5. He went forth from thence westward, and lo, men, sitting still, were being eaten by men, sitting still! He said, 'Horrible! woe is me! men, sitting still, are eating men, sitting still!' They replied, 'Thus, indeed, these have dealt with us in yonder world, and so we now deal with them in return.' He said, 'Is there no atonement for this? Yes, there is,' they replied.--'What is it? Thy father knows.

11:6:1:6. He went forth from thence northward, and lo, men, crying aloud, were being eaten by men, crying aloud! He said, 'Horrible! woe is me! men, crying aloud, here are eating men, crying aloud!' They replied, 'Thus, indeed, these dealt with us in yonder world, and so we now deal with them in return.' He said, 'Is there no atonement for this?'--'Yes, there is,' they replied.--'What is it? Thy father knows.'

11:6:1:7. He went forth from thence toward the northern of those two intermediate quarters in front, and lo, there were two women, one beautiful, one over-beautiful: between them stood a man, black, with yellow eyes, and a staff in his hand. On seeing him, terror seized him, and he went home, and sat down. His father said to him, 'Study thy day's lesson (of scripture): why dost thou not, study thy lesson?' He said, What am I to study? there is nothing whatever.' Then Varuna knew, 'He has indeed seen it!

11:6:1:8. He spake, ‘As to those men whom thou sawest in the eastern region being dismembered by men hewing off their limbs one by one, and saying, "This to thee, this to me!" they were the trees: when one puts fire-wood from trees on (the fire) he subdues the trees, and conquers the world of trees.

11:6:1:9. ‘And as to those men whom thou sawest in the southern region being dismembered by men cutting up their limbs one by one, and saying, "This to thee, this to me!" they were the cattle; when one makes offering with milk he subdues the cattle, and conquers the world of cattle.

11:6:1:10. ‘And as to those men thou sawest in the western region who, whilst sitting still, were being eaten by men sitting still, they were the herbs: when one illumines (the Agnihotra milk) with a straw, he subdues the herbs, and conquers the world of herbs.

11:6:1:11. ‘And as to those men thou sawest in the northern region who, whilst crying aloud, were being eaten by men crying aloud, they were the waters: when one pours water to (the Agnihotra milk), he subdues the waters, and conquers the world of waters.

11:6:1:12. ‘And as to those two women whom thou sawest, one beautiful and one over-beautiful,--the beautiful one is Belief: when one offers the first libation (of the Agnihotra) he subdues Belief, and conquers Belief; and the over-beautiful one is Unbelief: when one offers the second libation, he subdues Unbelief, and conquers Unbelief.

11:6:1:13. 'And as to the black man with yellow eyes, who was standing between them with a staff in his hand, he was Wrath: when, having poured water into the spoon, one pours (the libation into the fire), he subdues Wrath, and conquers Wrath; and, verily, whosoever, knowing this, offers the Agnihotra, thereby conquers everything, and subdues everything.


Om

[suresh]

From the Chhandogya Upanishad

Chapter XIX — Reflection depends upon Faith

1. "When one has faith, only then does one reflect. One who does not have faith does not reflect. Only one who has faith reflects. One must desire to understand faith." "Venerable Sir, I desire to understand faith."
Chapter XX — Faith depends upon Single—Mindedness

1. "When one is single—minded in one’s devotion to the teacher, only then does one have faith. One who does not have single— mindedness does not have faith. Only one who has single— mindedness has faith. One must desire to understand single— mindedness." "Venerable Sir, I desire to understand single—mindedness...

Namaste Bob,

You haven't gulped the ocean to find out that sea water is salty. So can one argue that this particular knowledge-that sea water is salty-is based on faith? Hope you catch my drift.

Suresh

[Bob G]

Namaste Suresh,

My experience is that the abyss is not crossed without the help and power of faith, also some types of snakes are very hungry and are not held back with logic or knowledge (per-se)...hope you catch my drift also.

Om

[Ganeshprasad]

Pranam all



Bhagvat Gita chaper 17 is dedicated to faith,

sri-bhagavan uvaca
tri-vidha bhavati sraddha
dehinam sa svabhava-ja
sattviki rajasi caiva
tamasi ceti tam srnu

sattvanurupa sarvasya
sraddha bhavati bharata
sraddha-mayo 'yam puruso
yo yac-chraddhah sa eva sah





The Supreme Lord said: The natural faith of embodied beings is of three types: Saattvika, Raajasika, and Taamasika. Hear that from Me. (17.02)


O Arjuna, the faith of each is in accordance with one's own nature or Sanskaara. A person is known by the faith. One is as one's faith is. (17.03)

Jai Shree Krishna

[suresh]

Namaste Suresh,

My experience is that the abyss is not crossed without the help and power of faith, also some types of snakes are very hungry and are not held back with logic or knowledge (per-se)...hope you catch my drift also.

Om

Unfortunately, I don't. Sorry!

[Bob G]

Hello Suresh,

"Unfortunately, I don't. Sorry!"

Ok, maybe another time.

Om