PDA

View Full Version : Comments on Hindu Origins of Judeo-Christian Religion



yajvan
08 May 2008, 08:12 PM
Hari Om
~~~~~

The strict advaitam of the upaniSad insists that the only true image of God is actually beyond any possibility of description, and therefore ALL images of God are technically false images.
.


namaste sarabhanga (et al.)

Thank you for the post.. upon reading the above section I could only think of the Katha Upaniṣad 2nd Kanda, 3rd valli, sloka 9

na chakshusha pasyati - none can see Him with the eyes.
The sloka says, His form is not to be seen. No one beholds Him with the eye. By controlling the mind by the intellect and by incessant meditation He is revealed. Thouse who know this (Brahman) become immortal.

The Svetasvatara Upaniṣad 4.20, compliments this wisdom:
na sandrise tisgthati rupamasya - not in the field of perception stands its form.

His form cannot be seen. No one perceives Him with the eye. Those who know Him through intuition, thus abiding in the heart, become immortal.

It is by the eye of intuition ~ hrida manasa or jnana chakshu that He is revealed.



pranams

MahaHrada
13 May 2008, 06:35 AM
Namaste Sarabhanga

I like to provide a link to an article of Koenraad Elst

Salvation: Hindu influence on Christianity (http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/chr/hinduinfl.html)

http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/chr/hinduinfl.html

which i think is a balanced approach based on factual evidence, on the subject of the relationsship between christianity and bharat dharma, i hope consideration of his arguments can contribute towards a deeper understanding of the subject.


The two articles by Koenraad Elst:

The use of Dalits and racism in anti-Hindu propaganda
(http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/chr/christiandalit.html)
The Problem of Christian Missionaries (http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/chr/missionaries.html)

besides providing interesting views on Christian "Hindu" issues
it contains some valuable thoughts of how to counter prejudices and judgemental attitudes towards bharat dharma.


All his articles on christianity can be found here:

http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/chr.html


Mahahrada

Kaos
21 June 2008, 11:24 PM
Interesting.
How about posting this thread instead, on a Christian forum, perhaps even in a Christian fundamentalist one.

Let us know what the Christians have to say on this issue.

saidevo
22 February 2009, 12:02 AM
Owing to Sri Sarabhanga's absence, the valuable thread that he started remains inactive:
Hindu Origins of Judeo-Christian Religion
http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2954

Since Satay has opened up the current thread for our discussions and comments so as not to interrupt the flow of Sarabhanga's thoughts/findings, I think we can make this thread active, which is remaining idle for long.

We should be careful to show that the truths discovered by the Judeo-Christian religion are indeed derived from the Hindu scriptures and teachings, briefing and sometimes perverting them to suit their audience. The point is that whatever today's Christian notables and commons seek by extrapolation in their religion, is already presented in Hinduism long, long ago.

Here are some points for discussion, gathered from the valuable Website http://littlebirdsings.wordpress.com/2009/02/15/hidden-hindu-origin-of-the-bible/

• Although JC (Judeo-Christianity) is supposed to have only one God, their actual theme is 'One God in many names for worship', just as that of Hinduism. Thus the Bible itself sports roughly thirty names for EL, each of whom was once worshipped as a separate deity (aspects of the same light) - and the same is true for Javeh.

• Shiva and Krishna worship: The word Jah, as in Javeh, stems from Sanskrit: 'sthAna', an attribute of God in general, meaning everlasting, or continued existence (being). It is an attribute of Shiva in particular, who is also known as SthAnu.

• Jah also refers to Simha, an incarnation of Krishna. (Source: Cologne Digital Lexicon: Sanskrit and English). Just as they are now, Shiva and Krishna were the two main male deities worshipped by the mainstream Hindus at the time Judaism was being formed. The name of the pillars erected to God in the Old Testament contains Shiva’s name: 'masseva' (or matseba). God speaks out of pillar of fire to Moses just as Shiva speaks out of a pillar of fire to Brahma and Vishnu in the Lingam Purana.

• The pyramids and stelae of Egypt are likewise described by the same word. Seb was the Lord of the Earth in ancient Egypt. The pillars were erected to Shu and his son Seb (heaven and earth), who is Seba of the Ethiopians, Sheba of the Hebrews and Shiva of the Hindus. The most notable culture still erecting the lingam pillars is that of the Shaivites in India. Shiva is the oldest deity in the world, stretching back more than 8.500 years into the past. His Jewish feast to this day is “balsheva”, Baal Shiva (Lord Shiva).

• Adam and Eve is a perversion of Hindu scripture.

The progeny of Adamis and Hevas (Jewish: Adamah and Chavvah) soon became so wicked that they were no longer able to coexist peacefully. Brahma therefore decided to punish his creatures. Source: The Mahabharata, Cronicles of Vaivasvata.

• Jonah and the whale is a spin-off version from Hinduism. There is a Hindu version of the whale story, which, it is claimed, must be older than the book of Jonah. Pradjumna, the son of Vshnu, was swallowed by a fish and a few days later restored to life. (Shrimad Bhagavatam, Canto 10, Part 3, Chapter 55, Pradyumna.) There are other East Indian versions of the same story. Clear traces of it are also found among the American Indians, especially along the Canadian Coast...

• The Ark & Flood story: a Verbatim Clone of Hindu Doctrine

He told Manu that the earth would soon be flooded with water. Vishnu had a boat built by the gods. When the earth was flooded, Manu was to place all living beings in the boat and thus save them. Vishnu would himself arrive in his form of the fish and Manu was to tie the boat to the fish’s horn. Thus the living beings would be saved. And when the waters of the flood receded, Manu could populate the world and rule over it. (Source: The Mahabharata, Matsya Purana)

In Egypt the story was known as Argha Noah, while in Greek mythology it is known as Argo Navis -the boat "IASON" and his crew of Argonauts used to hunt down immortality.

• Abraham is a Corruption of Hindu Scripture

It is well known that Abraham means "father Brahm" after the Hindu Brahma. Brahman's wife was Sarasvati, while Abraham is married to Sarah. And just like Brahma, also have a child with the free woman Gayantri--so does Abraham have a fling outside of marriage. From the Jewish version, Christ is said to descend, while Krishna (Purusha) descends from the Hindu version. Coincidence? There can be no doubt that these stories are one and the same.

• Noah’s sons are likewise stolen from the ancient Mahabharata

To Satyavarman were born three sons: the eldest Shem; then Sham; and thirdly, Jyapeti by name. Whilst he remained honoring and satisfying the gods, and priests, and kine, one day by the act of destiny the king, having drunk mead, became senseless and lay asleep naked.

Then, was he seen by Sham, and he called his two brothers: To whom he said, "What now has befallen? In what state is this our sire?" By these two he was hidden with clothes, and called to his senses again and again. Having recovered his intellect, and perfectly knowing what had passed, he cursed Sham, saying, "Thou shalt be the servant of servants." (Source: Matsya Purana, Chronicles of the fish)

• In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (Source: The New Testament, Gospel of John 1.1)

In the beginning was the word (Vai), and the word (Vai) was with Brahma (God), and the word (Vai) was Brahma (Prajapati vai idam agra asit, Tasya vak dvitiya asit, Vag vai paramam Brahma) (Source: Krishna Yajurveda, Kathaka Samhita, 12.5, 27.1)

• For more info, check the comments of William Glick to the blog post.

Some links to browse:
The Littlest Bird blog: http://littlebirdsings.wordpress.com/2009/02/15/hidden-hindu-origin-of-the-bible/

The mysteries of nature blog:
http://bodhati.wordpress.com/foundation/

World Peace and Advancement website:
http://equalitybasedonthesoul.com/default.aspx