Sagefrakrobatik
14 July 2008, 07:00 PM
I was going to make a new post but to save space i'll just tell my story here. Yesterday i was on the bus talking to this guy who was a Jehova Witness. The guy was cool he wasnt trying to force his religion on me he told me what it was like being a JW and why he was one. We also talked about other things to as well such as movies like Charlie Wilsons war etc.
When I got of the bus a women got of to. She was a short black lady perhaps in her 60s. I looked at her and she said "Jesus loves you" "Jesus is the only way" I was dead tired because i had been up for almost 24 hrs straight but i decided to approach her head on.
"What about Muslims" I ask candidly. she started telling me the creation story and how God created human beings like Adam and Eve so that he can be glorified and how Jesus is the second Adam.
The way she was talking kind of freaked me out. For example i would as her were she worked and she said "I work for Jesus" I'm like no Jesus doesnt pay your bills where do you work. "I'll my hours are spent working for Jesus as a Christian" Finally i think she said Bath and Body Works. She acted as if she thought she was personally sent by God to preach to me. "I'm planting the seed in you."
Anytime i would ask a question she would tell me "See your using logic," "Whats wrong with logic" she began shaking her head. "No NO NO," "Do you believe Logic is from the Devil?" I asked her. She emphatically notted her head yes.
I didnt want to get into it too much. Its great that she loves Jesus and its great that she wants to tell the world but I find it ridiculous that everyone who doesnt except Jesus as their savior is going to hell. "There is only one ticket," "I like to call him Daddy." If the basic idea is that you repentent and turn towards God, which many relligions believe what does it matter which mythology caused you to do that. As long as you repent. "No you have to accept Jesus"
So she told me about her own conversion experience and how she was stubborn like me and how someone at a church changed her life and as soon as she excepted Jesus her life Changed instantly. I told her about people who converted to Islam after reading the Quran they had wepted because it was their way of repenting. Finally she told me a story about a Muslim man who used to sell oils. To make a long story short, he was sick called on Jesus and was "healed." Earlier she told me deep down inside Muslims are angry and confused people. I belted out "How can you say that about a billion people?"
Its great that this women has a relationship with Christ and that she wants other people to have one to. But to say that billions of people are going to hell because their not Christians, you need a little more evidence. There was so many ways i couldve approached this issue;
What about the science in the Quran?
What about the huge differences between the Hebrew Tanak and the Old Testment?
What about the similarities between Krishna and Jesus?
What about the "Miracles" in Hinduism such as the drinking idols"?
What about non christian's religious experiences?
What about the religious experiences of Bahualluh and Guru Nanak where those experiences from Satan?
ETC.
I'm a nominal Catholic, yes it could be true that Jesus is the only way that is a possibility. but I find it extremely hard to believe that a person can go to hell despite all their intentions and good works simply for praying to the wrong deity. Ok maybe some form of punishment but eternal damnation is much more than a simple slap on the wrist. I find it hard to love a God who can be so cruel over something so futile. This is not simply an insult to logic, as the women suggested, this is a violation of my conscience. I already except Jesus as my God being a catholic, but i cant accept the idea that all will perish who dont take Jesus Christ to be their personal lord and savior.
The best part will have to wait until tommorow
When I got of the bus a women got of to. She was a short black lady perhaps in her 60s. I looked at her and she said "Jesus loves you" "Jesus is the only way" I was dead tired because i had been up for almost 24 hrs straight but i decided to approach her head on.
"What about Muslims" I ask candidly. she started telling me the creation story and how God created human beings like Adam and Eve so that he can be glorified and how Jesus is the second Adam.
The way she was talking kind of freaked me out. For example i would as her were she worked and she said "I work for Jesus" I'm like no Jesus doesnt pay your bills where do you work. "I'll my hours are spent working for Jesus as a Christian" Finally i think she said Bath and Body Works. She acted as if she thought she was personally sent by God to preach to me. "I'm planting the seed in you."
Anytime i would ask a question she would tell me "See your using logic," "Whats wrong with logic" she began shaking her head. "No NO NO," "Do you believe Logic is from the Devil?" I asked her. She emphatically notted her head yes.
I didnt want to get into it too much. Its great that she loves Jesus and its great that she wants to tell the world but I find it ridiculous that everyone who doesnt except Jesus as their savior is going to hell. "There is only one ticket," "I like to call him Daddy." If the basic idea is that you repentent and turn towards God, which many relligions believe what does it matter which mythology caused you to do that. As long as you repent. "No you have to accept Jesus"
So she told me about her own conversion experience and how she was stubborn like me and how someone at a church changed her life and as soon as she excepted Jesus her life Changed instantly. I told her about people who converted to Islam after reading the Quran they had wepted because it was their way of repenting. Finally she told me a story about a Muslim man who used to sell oils. To make a long story short, he was sick called on Jesus and was "healed." Earlier she told me deep down inside Muslims are angry and confused people. I belted out "How can you say that about a billion people?"
Its great that this women has a relationship with Christ and that she wants other people to have one to. But to say that billions of people are going to hell because their not Christians, you need a little more evidence. There was so many ways i couldve approached this issue;
What about the science in the Quran?
What about the huge differences between the Hebrew Tanak and the Old Testment?
What about the similarities between Krishna and Jesus?
What about the "Miracles" in Hinduism such as the drinking idols"?
What about non christian's religious experiences?
What about the religious experiences of Bahualluh and Guru Nanak where those experiences from Satan?
ETC.
I'm a nominal Catholic, yes it could be true that Jesus is the only way that is a possibility. but I find it extremely hard to believe that a person can go to hell despite all their intentions and good works simply for praying to the wrong deity. Ok maybe some form of punishment but eternal damnation is much more than a simple slap on the wrist. I find it hard to love a God who can be so cruel over something so futile. This is not simply an insult to logic, as the women suggested, this is a violation of my conscience. I already except Jesus as my God being a catholic, but i cant accept the idea that all will perish who dont take Jesus Christ to be their personal lord and savior.
The best part will have to wait until tommorow