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Jack_ripper
26 October 2008, 01:42 AM
Hi guys, its still a mystery and i don't think there's any explanation to it. Anybody has any scientific reason as to what happens after death.

yajvan
26 October 2008, 11:17 AM
Hari Om
~~~~~

Namaste Jack,

Welcome to HDF.

The Upaniṣads discuss this topic... one of my favorites is the
Kathā Upaniṣad; Another that reviews this is Chāndogya Upaniṣad.
These great works review going and coming.
Said another way these works discuss the process and what occurs.
Perhaps others can recommend specific Pūraṇa-s (meaning ancient , old - from the root pur meaning to go before, precede) that will assist you.
Also - many here are knowledgeable about this from their studies or have POV's for consideration.

If I were asking the question, my thoughts would be captured by the following:


What is this life after death? How is it different then present life?
Is there a location or locations one goes to?
What 'goes' ? i.e. mind, intellect? Does one keep their personality?
Who manages the traffic?
How long does one stay? Is there a duration period?
If there is life after death, is there therefore another death of that existence?
Does one come back ? If so why and how?
This subject has been discussed on HDF several times. Perhaps if you try the search feature and look for 'past births' , 'reincarnation' , etc ( these are guesses for the search) you may find some info and from there use it as a spring board.

pranams

saidevo
28 October 2008, 10:32 PM
The nitty-gritty of life after death

Physical Science cannot explain or even theorize life after death for the simple reason that such life is no longer physcial. Science does not accept a soul; science is not clear about mind nor can it map everything about the functions of the mind to the surface and core of the physical human brain; nor has Science any idea about what is Consciousness or awareness and exactly what or who is having that state.

There IS life after death for the simple reason that our human soul (jIva) is encased primarily in three bodies: gross, subtle and causal with corresponding worlds or planes of life. When the gross body is dropped, the soul naturally has to live in the astral/mental world/plane using its subtle astral/mental body, and then move on to more inner worlds.

Yajvan has asked the relevant questions as to the nitty-gritty of life after death. One way to answer these questions is:

• What is this life after death? How is it different then present life?

Life after death is more like the life we have in our dreams: self-created, so more subjective, yet objective as well, because we are told that every physical atom has its astral counterpart, which is why there are seven sub planes in the astral/mental worlds.

The astral life is as much different (or same) as the physical life as it is in our dreams. Just as we strive to give physical shape to our mental propensities and create our own environment of living in physical life, we do it with far more ease in the astral life, because there the astral matter which is highly plastic lends easily to our thoughts of creation, which is why we are able to create whatever we wish in our dreams.

• Is there a location or locations one goes to?

The most favoured and loved location for everyone of us is our home, which in one sense is the physical shape lent by our thoughtforms. Apart from our home, we haunt the outside locations such as homes our relatives and friends, our places of work, shopping, travel and so on. These have their astral counterparts, so we haunt them, with far greater felicity and speed, in our astral life.

• What 'goes'? i.e. mind, intellect? Does one keep their personality?

Both the mind and intellect 'goes'. Since emotions make up our astral body and thoughts our mental, we carry pent up emotions too and create our own 'hell' in the astral world with them. Our personality remains exactly the same: a person does not become pure and virtuous the moment following death of physical body. The character and personality of the person remains the same, and also influence the future births.

• Who manages the traffic?

According to Hinduism, Devas live in three forms: divine, subtle and physical. They manage the 'trafic' in the physical, astral and mental (heavenly) worlds.

• How long does one stay? Is there a duration period?

Pandit Shriram Sharma Acharya in his book The Life Beyond Physical Death says that the duration of life in the inner worlds is between three and twelve years before rebirth. Theosophy gives a much longer time of stay.

• If there is life after death, is there therefore another death of that existence?

Yes, a person has three deaths between birth and rebirth in the physical body: when the physical body dies, the soul survives in the astral body until it is worn out and dropped; then it enjoys the fruits of its good karma in the mental sub planes of the heavenly worlds, surviving in its mental and causal bodies. When this period is over, the mental body is dropped, and the soul descends via the astral world to the physical, to be reborn in a new physical body.

• Does one come back? If so why and how?

There is one word in Sanskrit that succinctly expresses why we come back: tRuShNA - thirst, strong desire. tRuShNA rules the entire hierarchy of life, right from Brahman to the lowest atom of the physical world.

Here are some books on life after death and reincarnation:

The Life Beyond Physical Death (awgp) (160 KB)
http://www.awgp.org/english/books/life_death.pdf

Vedanta Philosophy of Reincarnation (Abhedananda)(80 KB)
http://manybooks.net/support/a/abhedana/abhedanaetext058rinc10pdf.pdf

What Becomes of the Soul After Death (Sivananda) (435 KB)
http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/afterdeath.pdf

The Astral Body (Powell, A.E.)
http://www.theosophical.ca/AstralBodyByPowell-A.htm (Part 1)(374 KB)
http://www.theosophical.ca/AstralBodyByPowell-B.htm (Part 2)(324 KB)

sm78
29 October 2008, 01:42 AM
Hi guys, its still a mystery and i don't think there's any explanation to it. Anybody has any scientific reason as to what happens after death.

What is life by the way? Where from you came? Why are you here and what are you doing? I find this equally mysterious and un-answered.

Science has tried to explain some of the processes and phenominan's we "see" within this life, convinently accepting the master process of life and creation itself.

Problem is with propaganda that science has answers to life and creation, while is has nothing on this front. Maybe I am digressing ...

Btw, after death existence might not yet be measurable by scientific instruments...but rememberence of past life is a well documented phenominan. Science cannot deny this, but most scientist will try to explain it as some sort of psychological disorder.

Sudarshan
29 October 2008, 01:16 PM
Hi guys, its still a mystery and i don't think there's any explanation to it. Anybody has any scientific reason as to what happens after death.

science is yet to find evidence for the survival of any awareness after death, so they cant answer this question.

science tries to equate the mind with the brain and tries to find a physiological explanaition for all mind functions. So many religeous phenomena are explained by science in its own way.

For eg, what would be considered as a possession by a spirit or a diety would be called by the scientist as a multiple personality disorder. (I do believe in MPDs but not all possessions are MPDs). What would be called a religeous vision by a devotee would be called by the scientist as a hallucination or as a sensation of abnormal electrical signals in the brain. If you are interested, you can read this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2865009.stm
http://www.atheistempire.com/reference/brain/main.html

The scientist should first answer the basic question - Does he know himself? Then we can talk about other things.

As long as science and religion hold on to their domains, there is no conflict. The problem comes when a scientist claims that there is no life after death because there is no evidence. Sometime ago we did not know about the existance of so many things that came to light recently, so this is a hasty generalization. Religion should also keep itself from making false statements that can be disproved by science. For eg, the history of the world given by every religion in the world is against all scientific evidence. While christianity talks about an earth that was created 6000 years ago, Hindu scriptures talk about civilizaitions that existed millions of years ago. Neither of these withstand scientific scrutiny. Wherever religeous texts have been interpreted textually they have come into conflict with empirical evidence.

You have to depend more on science for knowing about the world. We have to know about supernatural entities through religion. If these are violated, then we have some real issues between science and religion. A religeous leader making a statement that there was some king in India a million years ago based on superficial reading of the scripture is probably as short sighted as a scientist denying the existamce of after life due to lack of evidemce.

Vishal.koirala
13 February 2013, 06:48 AM
Shree Ganesh !

Dear All
I a 36 year old Hindu after Birth, I am happy with my wife and 2 children. My Dad is also with us mom expired almost 24 year ago.

We are Koirala's (Nepali ) for Darjeeling, that what's my dad say's. I am married to marwardi. I was having grate belief in God since my childhood. But from last 3 to 4 years I am not able to concentrate on that. The Devotion towards God has been reduce and when ever I pray my mind gets distracted.

Almost 2 year ago I have read a book called "Laws of Spirit World" its talk about the Auto Writing - which is writing by some one but narrated by good spirit Soul.

Q1. I want to know what does Hinduism says about Life after Death
Q.2 Why a person eating non-Veg is treated as bad and will not get close to God. And if that is so then why Christian are close to their God.
Q.3 Every Religion says that their god created the universe.


There are many such question which has no answer, I am in this HDF to know and understand what is this all about .

Requesting you all to please help me to come out of this with a solution and better understanding .

Have anybody have an idea about the auto writing -
I need some more information on the same. And is there such exist in this universe.

Best Regards
Vishal Koirala

Spiritual Bee
08 April 2013, 10:59 AM
Here are some books on life after death and reincarnation:

The Life Beyond Physical Death (awgp) (160 KB)
http://www.awgp.org/english/books/life_death.pdf

Vedanta Philosophy of Reincarnation (Abhedananda)(80 KB)
http://manybooks.net/support/a/abhedana/abhedanaetext058rinc10pdf.pdf

What Becomes of the Soul After Death (Sivananda) (435 KB)
http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/afterdeath.pdf



All 3 are excellent books! Thanks Saidevo for these. The Life BeyonD physical Death (awgp) link was not opening when I tried it, so I am posting a copy from scribd for anyone who may be interested:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/58833184/The-Life-Beyond-Physical-Death-Authored-by-Yugrishi-Shriram-Sharma-Acharya

jthomasnaz
18 May 2013, 06:03 PM
Because science cannot test and experiment with the afterlife- they cannot use the scientific method. However, since they can make observations of us being alive - they cannot prove that our soul does not exist. They have to accept the fact that we have life.

Viraja
19 May 2013, 03:36 PM
It seems Devarishi Narada once met with Yudhishtira and told him that he had met with Pandavas' father King Pandu in Pitruloka and that the late king told the devarishi that if Yudhishtira were to conduct an Ashwamedha yaga, then he would attain a higher sphere/plane of existence whereupon which Yudhishtira and the pandavas conduct the Ashwamedha yaga. Even to this day, mediums exist all over the world who communicate with dead people and the belief that dead people still remember their relatives and preserve their emotions for them exists universally. Can anyone add to this and explain whether really the dead people do preserve their feelings for their relatives? If this is true, then they must be existing in the pitruloka with memories of their relatives, as in separation - to me this sounds impossible. Any thoughts?

jthomasnaz
26 May 2013, 12:25 PM
It seems Devarishi Narada once met with Yudhishtira and told him that he had met with Pandavas' father King Pandu in Pitruloka and that the late king told the devarishi that if Yudhishtira were to conduct an Ashwamedha yaga, then he would attain a higher sphere/plane of existence whereupon which Yudhishtira and the pandavas conduct the Ashwamedha yaga. Even to this day, mediums exist all over the world who communicate with dead people and the belief that dead people still remember their relatives and preserve their emotions for them exists universally. Can anyone add to this and explain whether really the dead people do preserve their feelings for their relatives? If this is true, then they must be existing in the pitruloka with memories of their relatives, as in separation - to me this sounds impossible. Any thoughts?


The dualistic view is that we have a material world and a spiritual world. But the spiritual world is actually full realization. Before full realization people look to the astral. The astral world includes dreams, spirits,good and evil. The dead are not really dead, their spirits want only to think of good and no longer have to deal with evil.

kallol
29 May 2013, 03:42 AM
As it is not possible to experince it, it can be only inferred. For the right inferrence, we need to know more about the phenomenon called death. What happens to the different levels of existences - Gross, Subtle and Consciousness. Once we are knowledgeable on this, the rest becomes easy.

We need to only extrapolate that level of existence which stays beyond death.

Necromancer
04 August 2013, 04:49 AM
Namaste.

Time to give my thoughts on this (after wanting to reply to a similar topic in the Jyotish forum...but what I have to say has nothing to do with Jyotish).

For many years throughout my spiritual life, I have always held the rather dim view of; 'After 'I' die, I'll just go back to the same place "I" was before "I" was born" - in that wherever there was, "I" wouldn't remember it anyway.

Surely there must be more to life than this....wondering what comes after it.

What part of 'Me' is going to be left when the Prana leaves 'my' body? Yeah, what type of memory does the surviving Koshas all have that wrap up the Soul before it passes on to whatever thing this Soul is going to pass on to?

Is it just intellectual arrogance to assume than any part of who I am somehow survives after death? After this life? After I am even done typing these words?

All I know is that "I won't be in Kansas anymore, Toto".

Maybe this is why we have all that Yoga training...so that when deathtime comes, and we all have to face the "I" am "Brahman" bit, we can say "yeah, already been there, done that, so what's next?"

This is why I pray to Lord Shiva and there's an 'agreement' that when the time comes, He'll be there holding my 'hand' and helping me across that bridge. I do hope the last words I utter shall be in praise of Him (if it happens that way).

They say that your final thoughts and words influence what happens after death and to your Soul and all.

I want to die looking at a picture of Lord Shiva or Mother Kali (or both)...or just gazing out across the ocean...

I'm not afraid to die anymore. I used to be terrified of it...get bloody panic attacks all the time...

Then, I felt it's like childbirth (which I have experienced twice). It will only hurt if you fight it...if you fight against the natural process - which it ultimately is. I feel death can be quite a beautiful experience with a heart full of love and acceptance.

What happens after that? I leave entirely in the hands of my Lord (my life is not 'mine' after that - as if it were before that anyway). lol

"I" (or what remains of it) can either merge with Shiva (if it hasn't already done so), or it can be with Shiva in Kailash somewhere, just staying there until it's time for me to take rebirth as a higher/lower lifeform, or the Lord may want me to take rebirth straight away, as a human, a dog, an angel...whatever happens according to my Karma.

I just hope my love will be enough when that time comes and that Shiva will take my hand, and I shall fly with Him, not fall into the pit of 'nowhere I wouldn't know where it was anyway'.

Aum Namah Shivaya

rama_t
18 November 2013, 04:32 PM
Dear All

I recently read a book called "Journey of Souls" by Dr. Michael Newton. It gave most of the details/answers for after life and what is the purpose of this current life on earth. Excellent book. I suggest everyone to read. And the content is in line with most of Sanatana Dharma scriptures.

Most of the discussions held in forums has answers in this book which a research based on past life regression session on people who revealed their super conscious memories of their life after death. There is nothing fake in this book.
It is amazing. You feel greatly relieved and increase your love towards GOD and understand your goal of life.

Believer
22 November 2013, 11:56 AM
Namaste,

An old, dead thread being revived so many times should be enough proof that the concept of reincarnation is real and that another life is awaiting you after death. :)

I am not quite sure why some people have this never ending infatuation with finding out what happens after death, and that too looking for a scientific proof for it. Why not live the best life that you can, instead of wasting time on seeking scientific proof for everything? What will you do once you have the proof about life after death - commit suicide and verify for yourself that all you have found is really true? The idle, uncommitted, spiritually unhinged minds spend most of their lives on peripheral issues of life, without ever enjoying any moments in spiritual bliss. Is that what you desire to do? If not, get on with the business of life, which is to make yourself happy through Bhakti yoga.

Pranam.

the sadhu
22 November 2013, 12:04 PM
Consciousness is omnipresent, but the brain isn't. The brain dies the body shuts off and consciousness remains the same, constantly intellects arise and dissolve in the nature of consciousness...

However there is an reincarnation phenomena, the brainwaves are emitted by a living brain, when the brain dies the memories have no were to go, until a similar brain is produced that can fit these memories, thus createing the allusion that a mind has experienced many lifetimes ...but in truth they are just some dead guys memories

maxpsycho
04 March 2014, 01:52 PM
At the risk of giving Believer more fodder by "resurrecting" this thread - I think the issue of 'Life after death' is very much a consequence of frivolous language. Let me explain.

Death as we know it, i.e. brain death, ergo death of the human being, is the end of life. If what you have now is life, and I would posit that it is, then at the time that you breathe your last breath, and your heart stops and the brain no longer receives oxygen and dies, then at that point this life is over.

Now there are many semantic arrangements that romanticise concepts, such as life after death, or the colour of jealousy, or weight of the world, or the oft heard question - who made us? A lot of such phrases while grammatically accurate are meaningless. If the word "life" is to mean anything, then the word "death" denotes the end of that life. Similarly just because you ask "who made us?" doesn't mean that everyone will miss the assumptions that you've made, i.e. 1) that we're made, and 2) that SOMEONE made us. The question isn't valid and neither is the phrase life after death.

If anyone is postulating that they know or believe that there is another kind of "life" after "death", which can't really be life as we know it since it's just been ended, then they need to provide some evidence of it, or else it's meaningless and irrelevant babble.

Of course some schools of hinduism do talk about the idea of reincarnation and the rest of it - but again, it boils down to which myth you believe as opposed to which idea is supported by evidence. Tales of little boys reciting sanskrit shloks (not a feat for us Indians considering that our entire education demands that we try our hardest to devolve into parrots), or little kids remembering details about a past life they never had (a trick that is easy to perform with the use of a couple of bullying parents, a Bata chappal, and a script), are not evidence of anything apart from the fact that some of us are so gullible that we shouldn't be allowed to wear socks.

For a long time people thought that the power to communicate lived in a realm above that of the physical brain - a flawed concept that was easily disproved when people came across stroke victims who could no longer talk or understand language after a stroke, or those who couldn't remember their own parents or children and couldn't recognise them after trauma to the brain.

Bottom line - this life is all there is. No one knows exactly what happens after death but we do know this much. Your brain, which happens to house the construct of reality that we've come to know as consciousness; dies. And so do all your memories, your language skills, your identity as a human being.

It's an uncomfortable idea to think that once you die, you're dust. And all that remains of you is the memories that others have of you, which too will pass into obscurity in two to three generations' time. But it's your decision to be sad about that and make up fairy tales to believe in, or be mature and realise that this is what makes life beautiful - the spark that it has is that much more numinous because it is short lived, and the challenge is to make sure that you do and love as much as you can in this life. Come on all, let's grow up. :-)

Mana
04 March 2014, 02:06 PM
Dear Maxpsycho,

You sound very certain. Can you explain neuro epigentic's to me please?
Then a full description and explanation of delta t.
Oh ... and the obvious importance of quantum electrodynamics in neurology.

Then I may consider your opinion to be well founded ...

A question worthy of your consideration might be; what is this life and why?

Kind regards

yajvan
04 March 2014, 05:48 PM
hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~
namasté


It's an uncomfortable idea to think that once you die, you're dust.

the question is 'who are you' ? If you think you are the body-mind then let me ask you this. Every night you go to sleep. Upon awakening you may say 'I slept well' but have no experience of this sleep, no body consciousness. Where did 'you' go? Yet the next day you are the same person. It is that continuity from day-to-day that is 'you'. If you find that continuity you have found your SELF. It does not depend on your mind or your body to continue.

One last point... if you could be so kind as to begin your posts with some salutation, some hello or namasté , or 'greetings' or some thing that welcomes the reader we would appreciate it. It is our custom here at HDF and we ask you to participate with our simple custom.

iti śivaṁ

maxpsycho
05 March 2014, 04:15 AM
Dear Mana,

Having been brought up for a large proportion of my life in the UK, I'm certainly not unknowing of sarcasm and neither am I in need of it, from others.

I'm not entirely certain whether you are asking these questions because you don't know what these concepts are, or whether you are convinced that only knowledge of, Freeman Dyson's work or the idea that patterns of responses to environmental stimulus can be inherited, makes an opinion well founded. I must admit ignorance about the context of your reference to delta t - do you mean in the field of cellular microbiology or thermodynamics?

Your patronising tone aside, in response to your question, which I am glad you think worthy of my consideration - what is this life and why? It's a great example of the point I made in my earlier post, i.e. grammatical accuracy does not mean a sentence is meaningful. Asking "why" presumes that there is a cause - a theory that forms the basis of your question and has not yet been proven to be true. It would be like me asking "Why is the sun made of cheese?" without proving that the sun is indeed made of cheese. You can't presume that there is a cause and then proceed to asking what that cause is (and this of course ties in quite neatly with the refutation for the Kalam cosmological argument of which, I'm presuming, you're aware).

What is this life? Well, how long is a piece of string? But let's assume for a moment, you don't mean that question in the spiritual, metaphysical tone that you've asked it. Biologically speaking, life is what secernates us, and our animal and plant relatives from inorganic matter. It includes the capacity to reproduce, to grow and evolve, and to love, before we die. Further than that - it's what you define it as - how you live it, who you interact with; that's the basis for the memories you collect.

Sincerely,

Mayank

Mana
05 March 2014, 11:27 AM
Dear Maxpsycho,

I am very intuitive; I feel that to continue this conversation with you may be rather like trying to explain either: Phi; or the Sun, to a sunflower ...

No offense intended, it is the nature of your initial post that has created this response in me. Where exactly do you think the electrons in the bonds of your dna exist, I mean the particle and the wave function; with out forgetting the obvious importance of E=mc� and relativity in all this?
If our memory is stored in this way, upon neuron cells in the brain, then surely you can see the paradoxical nature of your statement regarding the physical situation of thought, as an object residing physically in the brain?
This seems to me to be akin to assuming that a black hole is physically entity inside of the universe.

Interesting that you mention the fabric of the Sun and cheese, Cecilia Payne the Lady who first proposed the Sun to consist of Hydogen and Helium, was largely ignored by the scientific "flock", for quite some time as is usually the case with any consequent discoveries; ignorance, unfortunately for the majority, tends to rule the roost in any human congregation.

Now, returning to neuro epigenetics, If I am acting on behalf of my genes and all life events both my own and those of my forefathers, effect the fabric, the genetic balance of who I am; as neuro epigenetics, Richard Dawkins and Astrology would suggest; where then is free will, and who or what is "I"?

The question "what is life?" Is quite simply the question that I believe that you should address, before attempting to grapple with the notion of life after death. No spiritual or metaphysical ideal here, simply a natural order in understanding so as to be able to understand a highly complex concept. In much the same way that one should first grasp particle physics, before chemistry; in order to fully understand the nature of the axioms of the mathematical model.


Kind regards.

brahma jijnasa
05 March 2014, 07:52 PM
Namaste maxpsycho and Mana


If anyone is postulating that they know or believe that there is another kind of "life" after "death", which can't really be life as we know it since it's just been ended, then they need to provide some evidence of it, or else it's meaningless and irrelevant babble.

Of course some schools of hinduism do talk about the idea of reincarnation and the rest of it - but again, it boils down to which myth you believe as opposed to which idea is supported by evidence.

Maybe you did not notice but this is a forum called HDF or "Hindu Dharma Forums". This is a gathering of people who are interested in discussing and appreciating (respecting) Hindu Dharma. If you think that Hindu Dharma is "meaningless and irrelevant babble" and "myth you believe" it would be a good idea to stay away from this HDF.


If the word "life" is to mean anything, then the word "death" denotes the end of that life. Similarly just because you ask "who made us?" doesn't mean that everyone will miss the assumptions that you've made, i.e. 1) that we're made, and 2) that SOMEONE made us. The question isn't valid and neither is the phrase life after death.

How do you know that? Looks like you're pretty sure about that. How do you know that nobody made us? How do you know that life ends with physical death?


little kids remembering details about a past life they never had (a trick that is easy to perform with the use of a couple of bullying parents, a Bata chappal, and a script)

How do you know that the experience of remembering past lives is not genuine? Just because you have not had such an experience does not mean that no one had it.


Death as we know it, i.e. brain death, ergo death of the human being, is the end of life. If what you have now is life, and I would posit that it is, then at the time that you breathe your last breath, and your heart stops and the brain no longer receives oxygen and dies, then at that point this life is over.

"Death as we know it", yes it's what you know about it. :)
"brain death, ergo death of the human being, is the end of life", "at that point this life is over".
Someone who gives such statements should first know precisely what life is. It's not good enough just to say "as we know it".


The question "what is life?" Is quite simply the question that I believe that you should address, before attempting to grapple with the notion of life after death.

Exactly.

regards

devotee
05 March 2014, 10:54 PM
Namaste Mayank



What is this life? .... Biologically speaking, life is what secernates us, and our animal and plant relatives from inorganic matter. It includes the capacity to reproduce, to grow and evolve, and to love, before we die. Further than that - it's what you define it as - how you live it, who you interact with; that's the basis for the memories you collect.


A very rudimentary answer to a very good question, I would say. So, definition of life starts with Biology and ends with Biology ! You should have thought much deeper. "Who are we and why ?" ... if this question's answer was to be found in Biology taught in Schools and Colleges then many great saints who left all luxuries of life for finding the Truth must be really mad ! Buddha must have been a lunatic of the of the first order and so must be King Janaka who had everything which this world could provided for leading a comfortable life and they left those without repenting for the sacrifice ever !

Have you ever thought of that you also don't know what is after death and before birth. You have based your answer on some assumptions. "The Reality can be realised" ... try to meet someone who has realised It and who can show you the path to realise It. At first Narendra who was later known as Swami Vivekananda ridiculed Ramkrishna and challenged him, "Have you seen God ?" Ramkrishna had replied calmly, "Yes. More vividly than I see you." "Can you show me ?" Shocked by Ramkrishna's confidence Narendra had asked. Calm reply came from Ramkrishna, "Yes".

A simple touch of Ramkrishna changed the life of Vivekanada. There are masters who can make you "realise" the Truth by their grace or if you tread the path they show to you. If you keep doubting sitting in your home, then you should be happy with your school-taught truth !

There is a saying in Hindi, " One person kept doubting the veracity of availability of pearls in the sea and he kept sitting there all along.The real seeker of pearls dived into the ocean and found the pearls. "

OM

Ashwin
31 March 2014, 08:57 AM
Namaste Jack,
Scientists will never be able to verify what you ask unless of course lets say a spaceship lands on earth and the biengs on board try to re connect with their past life on this planet.:D

If one takes a closer look at the validations from people who claim to have been re incarnated this would help one to understand what happens after "death", in one's journey of having a better understanding of things.:)


Ohm Namah Shivayah..