Bombay Massacre

[vcindiana]

It is sad we are witnessing gruesome violence in Bombay and it is just beyond my comprehension people of this low exist in this present day world. I wonder what triggers in the minds of these people to commit such random acts of violence.
I hear they get “Brain washed” by religious people. I am not sure about this. I do not understand their preparedness to die themselves in such action but at the same time their cowardice in these actions. They are not brave enough to fight the enemies like in a real war situation. I guess they lack testosterone to face their enemies, they prefer heinous clandestine activities as we witnessed recently. In that light a campaign of propaganda may be of help in curbing such actions.

Scientifically speaking it would be interesting to map or scan the brains of these people.

If these people think that they are oppressed, can they not learn from Gandhi or ML King who brought the oppressors to their knees. Is non violence against their religious beliefs?

JC goes to other extreme asking his Father to forgive such people as these people do not know what they are doing. Only God can forgive, not me as a human being who is very much attached to this world.

I do not have any answer. My deceased father would have said this was their Karma but I do not believe that. It is depressing. It hurts my heart. Where is God here? Perhaps if I put “God as Love” into this equation, it may make sense to me. Love cannot be expressed without freedom. But in freedom both good and EVIL exist. Only in freedom I discover Love or God. I just pray for those who suffered and continue to suffer this calamity.

Love…………..VC

[atanu]

If these people think that they are oppressed, can they not learn from Gandhi or ML King who brought the oppressors to their knees. Is non violence against their religious beliefs?

VC


Namaste vcindiana,

An article in the morning paper says:

"Terrorists may have a religion but death has none. In the first roll call of death issued by the JJ Hospital, the name next to Karkare was that of Mastan Qureshi. There were six Hindus, four Muslims and two Christians."

I add that Jews have also not been spared.

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It has been very depressing and nauseating, sitting through the live TV coverages, which I could not get away from. The aftermath has also been nauseating. I specifically remember a lady who was fiery with her accusatory tone against the Government and the politicians (especially against those who wish to make Bombay only for Maharashtrians). That was OK, since Governments should protect the citizens. But finally she said something that was surprising. She exhorted in an animated tone "Government should give back the taxes we pay, to us, for us and for the city alone. Government should not fritter our money for all and sundry". She forgot that the very policemen and the NSG commandos who freed the hostages also need food.

This is a challenging time, yet every challenge is an opportunity. I believe that this challenge gives us an opportunity to see the cosmos as one interlinked breathing living being -- called as divine purusha in Hindu Dharma.

I pay taxes for my own well being and not for any other (though it feels painful to the ego). I fulfill my obligations for my own self and not for any other (though it feels painful to the ego). And the mis-deeds do not go unaccounted for, though it seems that one has been spared.

In summary, I feel that this may be an opportunity to go above petty differences of the ego, which creates artificial boundaries.

Sarva Janah Sukhinu Bhavantu. May all attain happiness.

Regards

Om

[MahaHrada]

"Terrorists may have a religion but death has none. In the first roll call of death issued by the JJ Hospital, the name next to Karkare was that of Mastan Qureshi. There were six Hindus, four Muslims and two Christians."



Death hath a religion:
MUMBAI: When faced with a volley of gunshots, while sipping coffee at the Oberoi Hotel on Wednesday night, Ali Arpaciouglu, a Turkish citizen on a business trip to Mumbai, chose to escape through the hotel kitchen and down a flight of stairs that opened onto the road outside. This was probably one of the best decisions he took. On the other hand, his business partner, Meltem Muezzinoglu, and her husband, Seyfi, both Turks, when faced with the same situation, decided to dash out of the restaurant and head upstairs instead. When terrorists laid siege to the hotel, the Muezzinoglus were held hostage....
The Muezzinoglus, however, found themselves in a hostage situation, along with a group of foreigners. That night, they shared a room with three foreigners - all women. Two machine-gun-wielding terrorists stood guard over them the whole night.
All the hostages were asked to reveal their religion. When the Muezzinoglus said they were Muslims, their captors told them that they would not be harmed. The other three Caucasian women were removed from the room next day, and the terrorists informed the Muezzinoglus that they had been shot....




Mumbai, 27 Nov. (AKI) - Al-Qaeda websites on Thursday were swamped with messages from people who were celebrating the devastating Mumbai attacks which have left over 100 people dead and 281 injured. "Oh Allah, destroy the Hindus and do it in the worst of ways," was one of the comments that appeared on Islamist forums on the Internet immediately after the attacks.
"The battle that is underway in Mumbai is a battle for Allah between its servants and the infidels," said another message published on the al-Falluja forum.


The Indian Mujahideen’s emails warn the Hindus to “Accept Islam and save yourselves” or else face a horrible fate: – “Hindus! O disbelieving faithless Indians! Haven’t you still realized that the falsehood of your 33 crore dirty mud idols and the blasphemy of your deaf, dumb, mute and naked idols of ram, krishna and hanuman are not at all going to save your necks, Insha-Allah, from being slaughtered by our [Muslim] hands?”

[devotee]

Namaste Mahahrada,

I can understand your anguish. However, you tell me about one religion where such enemies of humanity are not born ?

It is not the religion but the wrong followers who are responsible for such acts.

OM

[MahaHrada]

Namaste Mahahrada,

I can understand your anguish. However, you tell me about one religion where such enemies of humanity are not born ?

It is not the religion but the wrong followers who are responsible for such acts.

OM

It is always a blend of a lot of influences that give birth to a situation, to find a remedy for the problem we have of course to analyse all the causes, it is my opinion that Christian as well as Islam ideology itself is one of these causes and this should not be ignored only for the sake of communal harmony. This would be to the worlds disadvantage.
If we want to deal effectively with the terroist threat we have to call a spade a spade and become aware that there are a lot of sinister aspects already containend in the original beliefs systems of the koran and new testament, and that there definetly is a religious dimension to this terrorist threat.
If we do not understand what kind of religious brainwash and backward social structures are furthering this threat, and are convinced that terrorism is unrelated to religion we cannot react in a proper way.
Which can include for instance to found govermental sponsored education programs for muslims and christians to counter superstitious beliefs that are the cause of communal violence. But first step is to realise that there is a problem at all.
Regarding your question There is no religion in the world except Islam and Christianity that has been literally build on bloodshed and crime.
But to realsie this we have to study the history of religions and their holy books, and study the history of religious wars and progromes, like the xrusades the witch burning, etc. the wars and bloodshed of early and later Islam, i have done this quite thoroughly and have come to the sad conclusion that Christianity and nowadays especially Islam in the current form are a danger to world peace.

[devotee]

Regarding your question There is no religion in the world except Islam and Christianity that has been literally build on bloodshed and crime.
But to realsie this we have to study the history of religions and their holy books, and study the history of religious wars and progromes, like the xrusades the witch burning, etc. the wars and bloodshed of early and later Islam, i have done this quite thoroughly and have come to the sad conclusion that Christianity and nowadays especially Islam in the current form are a danger to world peace.

Mahahrada,

There have been bloddshed in all religions in one form or the other. Yes, the magnitude differs.

Even if I agree with what you say, what do suggest to end all this ? Is it possible to convert all Christians/Muslims to any new faith ? There are more than 12o Million Muslims in India alone. Shall we kill them ? If you are thinking on that lines, are you any way different from those terrorists ?

OM

[MahaHrada]

Mahahrada,

There have been bloddshed in all religions in one form or the other. Yes, the magnitude differs.

Even if I agree with what you say, what do suggest to end all this ? Is it possible to convert all Christians/Muslims to any new faith ? There are more than 12o Million Muslims in India alone. Shall we kill them ? If you are thinking on that lines, are you any way different from those terrorists ?

OM

I cannot decide what action to take i only know that to solve a problem we have to first become aware of it.

But i can think of a lot of courses that are non violent like sponsoring education programs, also the media like TV is a powerful means of shaping the mind towards non violence, special programs in school education could deal with countering extremist religious ideas. Armend terrorists of course should be killed.
But i think there are a lot of specialists and scientists available that could find out effective ways of countering extremists developments including non violent ones.
But to begin all this we have to be aware that the problems exists and that it is concerned with Religion and the content of holy scriptures we have to speak about it openly without fear of hurting religious sentiments -in politics and the media and on the internet.

[sm78]

Mahahrada,

There have been bloddshed in all religions in one form or the other. Yes, the magnitude differs.

Even if I agree with what you say, what do suggest to end all this ? Is it possible to convert all Christians/Muslims to any new faith ? There are more than 12o Million Muslims in India alone. Shall we kill them ? If you are thinking on that lines, are you any way different from those terrorists ?

OM

At independence Muslims demanded for a separate state and promptly recieved it. Since then they had turned those parts hindu-less. Now withing India kashmir is gone and assam, bengal & kerala are following the suite. I don't if anybody noticed, there has not been a single condemnation about the attack from muslim community leaders. And the Imam of Jamma masjid openly declares that muslims will rule this country once again amids cheers from the croud.

We are far from killing them, but they are killing us for sure.

Solution: Killing can wait, to start with at least have same laws for muslims & others!! Lets stop teaching them hate for kaffirs at madrassas at our money. Stop sponsoring them to Hajj...list can go on. This outragious minority **** sucking has to stop.

Then expose the Koran. If violence comes as reaction from the moslems, face it and reply it with force. Don't attack first like them.

[Znanna]

Namaste,

I pray for comfort for all those who have fallen victim to this senseless violence.

Any who justify these acts based on their interpretation of Godz only attempt to excuse their brutality, as has always been.

So long as we engage the illusion that we are not ALL ONE, it always will be such.

OM.


ZN

[MahaHrada]

Namaste,

I pray for comfort for all those who have fallen victim to this senseless violence.

Any who justify these acts based on their interpretation of Godz only attempt to excuse their brutality, as has always been.

So long as we engage the illusion that we are not ALL ONE, it always will be such.

OM.


ZN

Unfortunately one cannot strongly condemm violence in the name of religion if the religious leaders, the media and politicians, and part of the so called intelligentsia refuse to acknowledge that the problem exists and if it is only because of the fear to hurt religious sentiments.
Where there is ignorance of the problem nobody looks for a treatment.
This only seems the easy way out problems accumulate when not treated in the early stages if one waits too long and ignores the problem it is very often too late that countermeasures are effective. Acting at the moment things already have gotten out of hand has little impact on a situation.

We are now already confronted with a situaion where every criticism of the content of the bible and kuran can literally get you into jail , not only in muslim countries but even in america or european countries.
Not only is free speech impaired but the whole subject of criticsm of inhuman religious ideology has become a domain of the political extremist either left or right wing, because extremists and Avadhoothas are the only ones who give a damm about public opinion or political correctness.
Since Avadhootas do not have an internet connection, opinions on world politics are seriously impaired by lobbyism