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sm78
12 June 2009, 05:49 PM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indians-in-Australia-say-Lebanese-behind-race-attacks/articleshow/4646950.cms

It seems the spurious attacks in the limey land down under are more the handi works of lebanese youths. Ofcourse australia and britain have a soft corner for the islamic world and arabs, middle easts in particular. This is evident in their movies, foreign policy and behavior. But it is only time, when these lebanese youths will start burning white cars like it happened in paris.

mithya
13 June 2009, 01:12 AM
Most attacks were carried out by locals (whites) against the Indians, very few of them by others. That's why most of these attacks are racial in nature -- they called Indians the n word before attacking.

Now throughout the world, who normally attacks on the basis of race, calling people the n word, instigating violence on immigrants etc. etc.? Here's a hint: not the lebs.

MahaHrada
13 June 2009, 06:05 AM
Most attacks were carried out by locals (whites) against the Indians, very few of them by others. That's why most of these attacks are racial in nature -- they called Indians the n word before attacking.

Now throughout the world, who normally attacks on the basis of race, calling people the n word, instigating violence on immigrants etc. etc.? Here's a hint: not the lebs.

In Europe it is the muslim immigrants youth that organise in gangs and that spread violence and terrorise neighborhoods, in such a brutal manner that has not been witnessed for some generations or maybe has never happened before.

Because people in Europe generally are peaceful they are very often helpless and don´t knoew what to do and cannot even protect their children, that are being robbed humilated and attacked, threatenend and often badly injured. Because the police is afraid and helpless also, also usually they do not act. The situation is that serious that some parts of towns where muslim immigrants live are not entered anymore neither by police nor by doctors not even in emergency situations, because they are afraid of the violence.
Even doctors are hit and robbed while being on duty and trying to help.

sm78
13 June 2009, 07:49 AM
Now throughout the world, who normally attacks on the basis of race, calling people the n word, instigating violence on immigrants etc. etc.? Here's a hint: not the lebs.

Guess who have organized the largest racist genocide since WWII which is still continuing ... Darfur, and it is the ethnic arbs killing the original n****** there.

Guess what's the human head count? Close to half a million. How many people have the white supramicists and KKK killed in these days?? 1? 2? 12?...

On top being Islamic (which gives the license to kill those who don't believe the pornographic tales of Mr Mo) the culture is also racist and sexist.

Its is not the race, but the cultural conditioning which makes people intolerant, sexist and all the rest of the things.

Every culture has flaws and often serious ones, but I do reserve special dislike for the Islamic and the Arab culture. Of course other people can be in love with the same, but cannot deny the consequences.

As Mahahrada mentioned unchecked arab immigration in europe (which might be because of a peculiar european weakness for the arab/ME and geographic proximity) has landed some parts of europe in serious socio-political trouble. People in europe have been living in peace for so long (WWII, believe me its a long time ago w.r.t social memory) that they are not very well equipped to deal with it in an efficient manner. After the debacle in France, people voted the new PM in because he talked tough and right. However it seems nicholas sarkozy talks tough but haven't acted as such. These are of course my long-distance perceptions, but Mahahrada have been living there for all his life.

And as far as Australia (I mean its leaders), they suck up to Arab/ME and Chinese asses ... a very well known fact. Plus it I don't think Indians down under will deliberately blame moslem Lebs (since we love our brothers so much), if its the white who are attacking all the time.

mithya
13 June 2009, 08:18 AM
Plus it I don't think Indians down under will deliberately blame moslem Lebs (since we love our brothers so much), if its the white who are attacking all the time.

Are you saying only lebs are attacking Indian students?

mithya
13 June 2009, 08:26 AM
In Europe it is the muslim immigrants youth that organise in gangs and that spread violence and terrorise neighborhoods

This is just western propaganda to demonize Muslims and thereby justify the war on terror. I am a Tamil Iyer, almost black in color, and in the time I spent in Europe/US and Aus. a few years ago, I've never faced racism from Muslims. They were always gentle and kind.


Because people in Europe generally are peaceful .

Ha, what a joke! Europeans started two world wars, follow a racist policy to this day, attack immigrants every time they get a chance...and they're peaceful?

See how Indians were chased down by german mobs and assaulted:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,500879,00.html

MahaHrada
13 June 2009, 08:33 AM
Are you saying only lebs are attacking Indian students?


Yes it is so called " ethnic gang crime" and some racist chime in.

The Cronulla riots were in the beginning a multicultural response to ethnic Muslim Lebanese attacking beach goers.

MahaHrada
13 June 2009, 08:46 AM
This is just western propaganda to demonize Muslims and thereby justify the war on terror. I am a Tamil Iyer, almost black in color, and in the time I spent in Europe/US and Aus. a few years ago, I've never faced racism from Muslims. They were always gentle and kind.

Ha, what a joke! Europeans started two world wars, follow a racist policy to this day, attack immigrants every time they get a chance...and they're peaceful?

See how Indians were chased down by german mobs and assaulted:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,500879,00.html


Who said there is no caucisian racism? The problem is that the goverments are more or less helpless and ignore the problems caused by muslim gang violence, and if young people are beaten and tortured and nobody helps them or cares, except racists gangs that can offer some protection, it is no wonder that these gangs and political movements gain influence, and it will get worse. Those that are not directly confronted with the violence are dulled by the media who is playing the problem down. The young people that get no support from police and goverment and live in regionms where they are beaten up badly every day and all their belongings ripped off, are an easy prey for racist groups. Sometimes it is their only alternative.

mithya
13 June 2009, 09:58 AM
The problem is that the goverments are more or less helpless and ignore the problems caused by muslim gang violence, and if young people are beaten and tortured and nobody helps them or cares, except racists gangs that can offer some protection, it is no wonder that these gangs and political movements gain influence,

In other words, you're saying that young white people in Europe are justified in attacking Indians (due to an imagined muslim problem). Thanks for making that clear.

MahaHrada
13 June 2009, 10:20 AM
In other words, you're saying that young white people in Europe are justified in attacking Indians (due to an imagined muslim problem). Thanks for making that clear.

No i said racists misuse the situation of uneducated young people that are suffering from muslim violence, for their own ends.

The problem of muslim gang violence is not imagined it is very threatening, at least in europe and what i heard also in australia where helpless peaceful people are beaten up and robbed on the beaches and streets.

Eastern Mind
13 June 2009, 11:28 AM
Sometimes it may not be as racist as we think. I believe Hindus in general come across as 'easy targets' for mugging etc. For sure its true to some degree. A gang of chicken thugs can see the vulnerable, and beating an Indian student is one step up in pride from mugging a little old lady or a blind guy. Hindus walk humbly, not with that conceited confidence exuding from your average redneck. And the word has gotten around that generally Hindus won't fight back. So I believe that's part of it. Another part is perceived economic differences. Indians are perceived by some to be rich, which make them a target.

As far as blaming Muslims, well I think that's a tad overgeneralising. In the multicultural high school where my kids went, (Canada) there were brown gangs, black gangs, and white gangs. All races have equal access to stupidity. The most disadvantaged race here are the natives, the first nations people. But nobody would do a mugging on them, ever.


Aum Namasivaya

satay
13 June 2009, 11:45 AM
namaskar,

We should all sit and meditate. The attackers after all don't exist. We should try to realize that attackers are the same divine as us.:rolleyes:

mithya
14 June 2009, 12:55 AM
No i said racists misuse the situation of uneducated young people that are suffering from muslim violence, for their own ends.

So you justify racism on that basis...okay.


The problem of muslim gang violence is not imagined it is very threatening, at least in europe and what i heard also in australia where helpless peaceful people are beaten up and robbed on the beaches and streets.

There's no evidence for any of this. Your allegations are not evidence. You heard (your own words!) something about this and therefore it's true?!

atanu
14 June 2009, 03:14 AM
Namaste Friends,

One Shri Dasgupta writes in Times of India. He has no qualm about attributing violence to a certain group in a general way but on the other hand, he bows down to digest and rationalise the intolerance shown by the white majority in Australia. In one case, it is a general truth that all are of bad nature. And in another case, wisdom appears to prevail that "Only a few are mis-guided".


We should all sit and meditate. The attackers after all don't exist. We should try to realize that attackers are the same divine as us

No. We must now rightfully pin the attackers and not blame the lebanese -- whole sale.

This was said earlier. ----the best course for a sadhu is to pray and act in sattwik mode (as far as possible) following one's calling.

Om Namah Shivaya

amra
14 June 2009, 05:56 AM
In Australia also A Gurudwara was defaced by hooligans and a Sikh boy was stabbed in the Chest by White Australians not by Lebanese. The Sikh population have much problems with white racists there.

Also I live in ENgland and the problem with muslim youth is not very bad at all. Go anywhere in London and people are ****-scared of black kids wearing the infamous 'hoodies' I work in areas where there is a lot of knife crime and also recently some shootings and they are not carried out by muslims. Muslims here in England are generally peaceful, they isolate themselves from the white mans culture, and for that they get a lot of abuse. It seems anyone not fitting into the imperial white mans culture club and licking the arses of the imperial white masters is demonised as attacking the poor unprotected europeans. I went to Spain recently and the way they treat black people is absolutely disgusting no wonder people get violent to Europeans when they treat non-white races like ****. I am a bearded dark asian man and even in England you are discriminated against i can undertsand some of the rage that muslims feel against western communities because i have experienced how white people look down on you as a bit of **** and expect you to lick their **** because they ruled the world.

MahaHrada
14 June 2009, 06:52 AM
So you justify racism on that basis...okay.

There's no evidence for any of this. Your allegations are not evidence. You heard (your own words!) something about this and therefore it's true?!

Yeah that what i heard, because that is what the victims said.
Thats the way it should be, one person listens and the other one hears what is said.

Indian student : I was attacked by lebanese gang members.
Police officer:Shut up you Racist!


I am not justifying racism, my own family has been a victim of racism. There is no justification for racism. I have been describing the following facts:

1.) Muslim immigrant gang violence is on the increase in Europe and Australia

2.) White supemacist Racism will increase in Europe in the future, partly because of the flaring up of immigrant gang violence, and the inability of the Goverments, law enforcement and social workers, to properly deal with it, people will begin to listen to extremists.
Especially in the last 10 years the situation is beginning to get out of hand. Thats why media reports are censored.

2.) The recent attacks on Indians where apparently carried out by lebanese gang members. These austrailian gangs are very dangerous and armend, they are also attacking white australians. Their target are now Indian students.

All these are facts i do not invent any of this because of some personal agenda All implications that i somehow condone white supremacist racism, or am of the opinion that all muslims or all lebanese are violent are incorrect.

I will not distort the facts, just because i am afraid to be called a racist by others . Ignoring a problem will not solve it.

That is of course true as well for white supremacist racism and intolerance, which is abundantly present in europe and has of course also led to violence. Whenever white supremacist racism is the topic of a thread you will hear my voice condemming that as well. But this time the topic was muslim lebanese gangs that attack indian students.

amra
14 June 2009, 12:36 PM
http://sikhsangat.org/1469/2009/06/sikh-gu...-stabbed-in-oz/ (http://sikhsangat.org/1469/2009/06/sikh-gurdwara-vandalized-student-stabbed-in-oz/)

Melbourne, Australia: Racial assaults continue unchecked in Australia. On Monday, a Sikh gurdwara was vandalized in Shepparton, a small town 90km north of Melbourne.

Racist graffiti and swastikas were scribbled on its walls, eggs thrown at it and the fencing around the gurdwara smashed by a car. On Tuesday, another Indian student was stabbed in the chest by a box-cutter knife on his way to college in east Melbourne.

Meanwhile, Australia set up an inquiry committee to look into the attacks even as Union minister for overseas Indian affairs Vayalar Ravi said his ministry would prepare and maintain a register of all Indians studying abroad and streamline campus placements to foreign universities.

Nardeep Singh, a 20-year-old from Ludhiana, was assaulted in a car park. The five attackers initially asked for cigarettes. When the student replied he was a non-smoker, they asked for money. On refusal, one of them stabbed him in the chest. Nardeep is a student of nursing at the Chisholm Technical Institute.

Singh, who had arrived in Australia only a month ago, fled to the police station where his statement was recorded. He is under observation in a Melbourne hospital.

Eastern Mind
14 June 2009, 04:22 PM
I'd like to extend hands and welcome everyone to the kali yuga.

This is obviously a hot issue, and I'm not sure if it even belongs in a Hindu discussion. Firstly, the perpetrators of racism clearly aren't religious, unless you want to categorise white supremacy, or any fundamentalist 'we're the only way' as a religion. Its more the lines of ethno-political, if there's even such a word. The victims were clearly labelled as 'Indian' in the news, not Hindu. That doesn't mean anything really. Victims are victims, regardless of etnicity, gender, religion, or race.

On another thread on another site, I followed the same line. It was only after about the 80th post that the Lebanese gang factor even came up. The media jumps to so many conclusions, as do readers. Lets all not forget that the media is in the business of getting people to read their papers, so the press in India was particularly active. Because Australians do have a stereotypical representation of being drinkers, and righteous rednecks, even people such as myself thought, before really thinking that these guys would be the culprits. But the fact is that none of us here really knows. (Please forgive me if anyone here was on the scene at some or all of the events.) If the police do their proper investigation, most of the truth will come out, I believe. (If this were happening in Sri Lanka, Iran, or North korea, I wouldn't have any faith in that one.)

So rather than getting hot and heavy and frustrated and venting about it would it not be better for all to sit back and pray for the victims, and for the perpetrators to have clearer heads about seeing others as people or souls with equal opportunity.

May peace be with everyone.

Aum Shantih Shantih Shantih

Aum Namasivaya

satay
14 June 2009, 07:28 PM
namaste,


No. We must now rightfully pin the attackers and not blame the lebanese -- whole sale.
Om Namah Shivaya

Okay atanu, as you wisely advise that shall be the 'act' in this case.

sm78
15 June 2009, 04:26 AM
This is just western propaganda to demonize Muslims and thereby justify the war on terror. I am a Tamil Iyer, almost black in color, and in the time I spent in Europe/US and Aus. a few years ago, I've never faced racism from Muslims. They were always gentle and kind.

You put yourself as a proof for non-existence of racism among muslims and ignore the massacre of 500,000 africans in the hands of sudanese arabs purely based on racial reasons (In Darfur all the africans are moslems too).

You talk of propaganda after seeing 9/11,26/11,... live on tv.

What I have to say for you is this:-

1. Islam is most peaceful and spiritual religion on earth and as a consequence so are muslims

2. The terror thing is a conspiracy. In US it was goege bush, in India I am sure Ajmal Kasab is a Hindu.

3. Whites are always racists.

Believe and live in peace.

atanu
16 June 2009, 03:00 AM
I'd like to extend hands and welcome everyone to the kali yuga.

This is obviously a hot issue, and I'm not sure if it even belongs in a Hindu discussion. Firstly, the perpetrators of racism clearly aren't religious, unless you want to categorise white supremacy, or any fundamentalist 'we're the only way' as a religion. Its more the lines of ethno-political, if there's even such a word. The victims were clearly labelled as 'Indian' in the news, not Hindu. That doesn't mean anything really. Victims are victims, regardless of etnicity, gender, religion, or race.

So rather than getting hot and heavy and frustrated and venting about it would it not be better for all to sit back and pray for the victims, and for the perpetrators to have clearer heads about seeing others as people or souls with equal opportunity.

May peace be with everyone.

Aum Shantih Shantih Shantih

Aum Namasivaya

Namaskar Eastern Mind,

You peacefully bring out that intolerance has no permanent boundary. It probably resides in every heart along with goodness. Probably, it is upto us as to which one gets activated. Today's newspaper brings the evidence that it is not only the lebanese:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Dont-come-to-Australia-Race-attack-victim/articleshow/4659992.cms

Regards

Om Namah Shivaya