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satay
24 August 2009, 09:03 PM
Namaskar,
Does anyone know why IndiaDivine forums are 'read only' now? When did this happen? Reason?

SANT
26 August 2009, 03:43 AM
repected jahnavnitaidas had been running the forum for about 13 years and had been doing it all on his own expense i think.
Anyway he had decided to stop that is why this happened.
the forums were deactivated on 8th august.

satay
27 August 2009, 10:00 AM
Namaskar,



the forums were deactivated on 8th august.

ah yes, that explains it. Thanks.

Ganeshprasad
27 August 2009, 05:03 PM
Pranam Satay


Namaskar,



ah yes, that explains it. Thanks.

I don't think that was the main consideration, although it helps, i think J N Das did not have much time, he has a lot of projects to take care off, so he could not monitor the forum, besides there was much bickering among the GV various groups, let alone between other groups, so he felt the forum was not achieving what he set out to be.

anyway after a month he was going to review the situation but there was not much hope.

That is the reason for many new members here

Jai Shree Krishna

satay
27 August 2009, 09:25 PM
parnam,


Pranam Satay

That is the reason for many new members here

Jai Shree Krishna

Yes, that's what I meant when I said, 'That explains it.' ;)

wundermonk
10 August 2012, 12:11 PM
Any update on the IndiaDivine forums?

There seem to be tons of threads/topics there. It would be a pity if those topics/discussions are lost..are there folks taking care of the website in terms of payment to webproviders, etc.? If not, can the topics from there be transported to here?

There seem to be a few newer postings in the last few days on the main page.

http://www.indiadivine.org/

ceedaar
10 August 2012, 11:13 PM
thanks for the website. there are good collection of material there too
regards

satay
10 August 2012, 11:20 PM
namaste Wunder,
No, I have no update on it myself. I personally have no contact with owners of IndiaDivine forums. Maybe other people can fill us in.



Any update on the IndiaDivine forums?

There seem to be tons of threads/topics there. It would be a pity if those topics/discussions are lost..are there folks taking care of the website in terms of payment to webproviders, etc.? If not, can the topics from there be transported to here?

There seem to be a few newer postings in the last few days on the main page.

http://www.indiadivine.org/

Eastern Mind
11 August 2012, 07:35 AM
Vannakkam: 'Somebody' posts new information once in a while, but there is no discussion of anything, and others can't post. So its become more of a personal blog.

Aum Namasivaya

Ganeshprasad
11 August 2012, 07:56 AM
Pranam

Once upon a time it used to be lively forum, mainly consisting of hare Krishna followers, like Thiest, GoraHari and com. With off course Hindus sparing it out. Our own Atanu was regular contributor along with Raghu with his brand off Vasihnava and not to forget Varna system. After the closure they have all disappeared now there is hardly any discussion goes on there. One unique feature thare was guest were allowed to post anonymously.
a lot off us have ended here with perhaps new usernames.

Jai Shree Krishna

Believer
11 August 2012, 09:43 AM
Namaste,

there was much bickering among the GV various groups, let alone between other groups, ..........

............That is the reason for many new members hereThat explains the influx of both of the above entities. ;)

Having opinions on issues is one thing, but making everyone conform to their interpretation, or coming to the forum and appointing oneself as the official priest of the forum, well, that creates dissension. Hopefully, with time, the new members will learn the culture of this forum.

Pranam.

Eastern Mind
11 August 2012, 10:12 AM
Hopefully, with time, the new members will learn the culture of this forum.

Pranam.

Vannakkam B: All that 'moving' was back in 2009, 3 years ago, and doesn't refer to more recent newbies. But i see your point anyway. :)

Aum Namasivaya

realdemigod
11 August 2012, 12:07 PM
I noticed once..long back it was read only but after really long it was open to create new threads..may be the mods there too tired of people arguing about who is greater Shiva or Visnu, ISKCON and about abrahamic cults :D

satay
11 August 2012, 08:38 PM
Namaste
I would like to encourage other Hindus, including members of hdf to start more Hindu discussion forums/ blogs and such. I can help anyone guide and setup the software for them if help is needed. I just think more discussion forums are needed

IcyCosmic
12 August 2012, 03:47 AM
Namaste
I would like to encourage other Hindus, including members of hdf to start more Hindu discussion forums/ blogs and such. I can help anyone guide and setup the software for them if help is needed. I just think more discussion forums are needed

Hello Satay, I'm planning a project which I'm going to invest a lot of my time into. I'm trying to make a very cohesive and unified hindu website, which will be exemplary in resource for the western people and also a great place for devout hindus to gather. I've designed a system of article placement already where a team of sanatana dharmi's of different sects and beliefs will see each piece through quality control and help rectify the article to make it as precise as possible for the sites 'official articles'. Amongst that i've hired a coder to try and add unique interactive pieces to the website. I've been designing sites for 6 years so hopefully its pleasing to the eye as is functional theres a huge niche in hindu websites compared to abrahamic faiths.

ShivaFan
12 August 2012, 09:09 AM
Namaste

Forums, forums and more forums. Wasn't the Roman Forum a place Christians were fed to the lions?

I noticed the IndiaDivine.org "forum" a couple of weeks ago, it was new to me. It seems alive and well to me, but seems more article based than textual "forum chat" --- kind of like something perhaps IcySFX was thinking of. In fact looking at it today, the latest article being "Kodi Swamigal - The 300 Year Old Saint of Puravipalayam" posted just 6 days ago with over 11,500 views. There is still a registration link that works, though I never registered. It is a nice site, to me it feels like it is Radha Krishna in devotion, with some ISKCON in there, but I do not really know anything about it other than it seems very nice, and appears alive and happy to me.

A lot of people can set up forums these days. Every teenage relative or friend i know is setting up internet sites, in fact they have communications going with persons all over the world (to the horror of parents). Even in Islamic States, it cannot be stopped. I predict that such collborative sites and communications will eventually commence in the political fracturing of China, including the breakaway of sections of China into new countries. And today, almost everyone is almost a geek at computers and software, electronic devices, web design et all. Personally, as a computer analyst I was active in setting up many websites in the past on different web stacks and web servers from IIS based to Apache, Perl and other plugins, CGI, Java, JavaScript, REXX, Sharepoint, and on and on, but these have been business and process oriented and not public forums. Today my focus is on virtualization, the methods and infrastructure involved be it VMware or Hyper-V, cloud computing, SaaS, and now mobile computing and even hypervisors on such devices. A long time ago in the dinosaur days I did set up one BBS (boy, you can't even say the acronym without raising a few laughs) and some collaborative web based stuff, never blogs though. This stuff is rapidly becoming "layman" ... "Whatever"...

But I couldn't even imagine being a site administrator managing a forum - oh my God - or even worse yet administering it all on your own. Sure, you could leave it wide open and largely automated, but you would be flooded with hackers and jokesters, it would go completely bezerker and so literally you would have to have a heavy hand, human eyes monitoring every thing, literally it would take your life away.

But of course, some folks see it as their life, which is admirable. But what I think would be fair if going public with it, is to make clear right off the "front page" the particular mind set from the administrators, especially when it comes to "politics and religion". Of oourse even that is not an easy task without cluttering up the "front page" itself with too much fluff. There is no doubt that some are open to "all points of view" (within reason), but that would be uncommon. Of course there would be a lot of give and take and arguing, which is fine, but the slant of it always seems to work its way to the surface and it is very rare otherwise -- but certainly possible.

So now comes the rant, and apologies up front ....

Let's take the example in the case of politics, and political forums. Right there on the home page it should be clear as a bell what is the take. Using an American example, the forum administration should state "We are Consevative Libertarian yadda" or "Conservative Republican sentimentalist", "check pants Establishment Republican", "Wall Street Republican ticker tapers", "Libertarian we don't wear check pants", "Democrat Liberal yabba dabba doo", "Democrat Progressive toadies", "Socialist hokus pokus", "National Socialist kill them all but us", "Marxist drunks", "Maoist with a Happy Face and armored Tanks", "Communist elitists" or "We wear sweaters and call ourself Professors and teach Afro-centricism and are wine sipping members of the Intellectual Class" and so on.

In the example of "Hinduism", many already know the slants, be it the denomination, or cultural exclusionary, caste centric, Western centric freedom fighters, "hate the word Hinduism" yadda, spiritualism, self-realization, Aryan Theory, outreach of Guru xyz, "Indians only please", and so on.

Of course, my personal preference is where all denominations and slants get along even if members are very specific about their path, and sure there is some give and take but not "side cock to the head" stuff or pretending everyone is welcome to give and take within reason when that isn't really true. It looks like this forum is pretty open to all within the context of Hinduism which is a vast repository of knowledge and ultimately Truth.

It was only very lately I thought I would take a look at the Internet for a Hindu forum, recalling a very brief exploration of one Global Hindu forum from many years ago, in fact more than a decade probably. The first thing I found in this recent adventure was this one.

But this one uses the explicit word "Hindu" (with Sanatana Dharma headlined for good measure) .... It turns out many do not use the word Hindu. And actually, now it looks like there are many, in fact a lot, of forums, and using Sanatana Dharma as the best term for it, the use is very popular which I am now finding to be the case, though I do recall a Swami coming up with a Sanatana Dharma website back in the first part of the 1990s just as Unix based Mosaic shifted to Netscape on Windows and such, but that was long ago -- regardless however, it is now obvious to me that you cannot use just the word Hindu to find such forums, there are more forums than imagined and from the example of IcySFX there are going to be a lot more forums coming God bless them every one. Also don't assume they will be HTML or database protocols at all, likely they will be one of thousands and thousands of "channels" readily available from your "television" device, complete with video conferencing. As far as high end severs within today's world, lots of folks now have them right in their homes including myself. But I'm not going to start a forum because as said it would consume too much, you would have to really be emotionally attached and dedicated to it which is an admirable quality of some such as Satay, but which is not most people, not me for sure the lazy slob I am, and even before that you have to be pretty elucite in the subject as well.

The only thing someone like me would be interested in is an "online temple" such as a public facing "virtual Hanuman Temple" which is a project still considered though very carefully with concern about the degradation of Hinduism itself if not done exactly right, with full respect, and clarity that it's purpose would never be a proxy in place of a real temple. In fact it would never be a real temple, but really not much more than a prayer.

But there are more "forums" coming, there is no question about that. Nothing is going to stop that. So I wish IcySFX will get a chance to proceed with good result, it will be his life literally every day and most every night. Behind all of this is a human, even the most automated Tobor or Robot has this humanity behind it. And in that human is a soul. And within and all around the aspects of the soul and super soul is the Divine. Somehow, it's going to work one day. Even the Internet is going to work ... one day. Just remember it has many names, and even more names are coming for it as the days go by. Yes?

Today i think of Valli Amma raised by Vedars. She brings Happiness. Murugan whose lotus feet Brahma placed upon His head, placed His own to the lotus feet of the hunter's daughter. Valli Amma ki jai!

IcyCosmic
12 August 2012, 10:19 AM
Very nicely written, ShivaFan. It is indeed VERY simple to setup a forum you can get a forum hosted by an external company usually with ads plastered all over from which they take the money - set up within....2 minutes?
It's purely the software. The rest is your work within the control panel, theres a whole host of Forum Softwares available, PHPBB, Vbulletin, IPB, and many other private companies that design on a custom basis.

It's a equally simple process if you wish to host your own forum, like Satay does just a little more time consuming, but obviously, thats just the setup, difficult to manage, run, and keep going! The heart of a forum is the community and what a beautiful job Satay saab and all the members have done over the past years!

In the case of IndiaDivine, the articles you are mentioning are seperate from the forums, if you click forum in the navigation bar its merely a archive of what once was, you are not able to make any new posts. Thats why the website seems 'article-centric'.

Regarding my project ShivaFan-Ji : I will definetely have a forum as that is one of my areas of expertise, theres alot of time investment involved so hopefully I can squeeze out the hours - but its damn fun seeing the results. That will be the core of the site, but not the essence. All my sites are always community driven (the ones which I make for no monetary gain of my own).
The website itself, much like India Divine - will house articles, resources, scriptures, and interactive pieces. I want to make sure anyone that visits doesn't have to cross-reference any information because the quality found on the site is so good. I've already tried to find as many volunteers as I can to start bringing togethor ideas and content - right now me and a friend are trying to figure out the best way to structure the site!

Think what you will, but another thing is I want the site to break down Sanatana Dharma down effectively and cohesively specifically for non hindus, I think its very important. Alot of the information and ideas non hindus and hindu haters gather are often scattered and untrue, unified information taking into account multiple facets is something I want to encompass. This is only possible if the website is highly ranked and a authority website. It's very ambitious and will likely start off poor and clunky, but hopefully it transforms into a beautiful site reflecting a beautiful dharma just like Satay has succesfully done with this forum.