Spiritualseeker
01 January 2010, 12:51 PM
http://journeytozen.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/big-bang-theory-and-religion/
A friend of mine sent me a youtube video of Zakir Naik a muslim caller proving the existence of God. He mentions about if we come across machinery we do not think that the machinery came from nothing. We will usually say that there was a maker up of the machinery or an inventor. I am not an atheist in the sense of believing in a nihilistic viewpoint, but I am of the type to think of the concept of God much different then western religions.
Seeing machinery or let us just say a piece of paper, we wonder where it came from. In Buddhism everything comes about through infinite causes and conditions. That piece of paper that is crumbled up on the ground is said to belong to Buddha. But what does it mean to belong to buddha? Does it mean the man, Siddhartha Gautama who lived in India 2,600 years ago? No, it belongs to the Buddha as in it comes about through interdependence.
There are INFINITE causes and conditions that brought that paper to its state of being crumbled on the ground. Within that paper are trees infinite and vast. In the paper there are bugs and birds. In it is the sun and the moon. The atmosphere of the earth and the planetery stations of other planests in our solar system and many other galaxies. Water is seen in the paper. Countless human lives are found in it. Not only this but animals are found in it. The humans that made the paper out of the tree come about through infinite causes and conditions. If you remove just the sun the conditions are not right for that human to take form nor for the paper. So from a Buddhist point of view it is not just looking at a piece of paper or machinery and believing it came out of nothing.
Zakir Naik in the video alleges that the Qur'an supports the Big Bang Theory. He quotes this verse of the Qu'an:
Do the Unbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, before We clove them asunder? We made every living thing from water. Will they not then believe? (Qur'an 21:30)
It is nice to see this, but if only the Muslims could truely accept the Big Bang theory, it would clear up a lot of their myths and tales.
According to the Big Bang Theory which may or may not be accepted as truth states that the entire infinite universe was infinite potential, infinite small matter, that was condensed in infinite hot and dense place. From this matter as we know it which is basically just energy vibrating at a certain rate began expanding and continues to expand. This means there is no end to the universe.
Now to some scientist and in particular Quantum Physicist, the view of the universe being an entanglement is probably due to the big bang. What is important to note here is that in Hinduism (more properly refferred to as Sanatana Dharma), Buddhism (the teachings of the Buddha), and Taoism (ancient Chinese way of life arisen from Shamanism) all teach that the Universe as infinite as it is is just one Whole Living Organism. This means that you and I are the same as a tree, rock, animal, or skies. Muslims who dont know much about this might say its silly or its an unproven theory. However, scientist have proven the interconnectedness of the universe. There are many experiments in the US and Europe that shows the relationship of the Universe. When we study subatomic particles we have to conclude that everything consist of these and thus there is truely oneness.
Not only this but scientist have proven Emptiness, which the Hindus (yogis and masters of old) knew way before Muhammad was even a small baby. The Taoist also knew this and after them the Buddhist. Shamans of not only eastern origin but also western knew of this as well. We might as well become Buddhist, hindus, and Taoist, and study western shamanism.
So firstly we have to ask the Muslims if they believe Oneness of all that exist. The answer would be no, unless you were asking a Sufi who would be branded a heretic for expounding the doctrine of Wahdat al-wujud (Oneness of Being-which includes Oneness with Allah).
Would Muslims like to admit that a Believer is equal to an Unbeliever? It is as one eastern philosopher said as much as we hate Hitler, he is still apart of us. This is QUITE LITERALLY.
Muslims are not ready for this truth just yet. Perhaps in the future when there are not so many radicals that are willing to slit your throat for believing in doctrines outside of the Quran. The Buddha, and many Yogis before him awakened to the Reality of the Universe and the One Life that exist. That single Unicity of consciousness is called God in some Hindu sects. Buddhism likes to keep things with less concepts and simply call it Emptiness or Shunyata. It is all the same thing. Muslims cannot accept this.
Another thing that the Big Bang Theory would provide an explanation for Evolution which is not really a theory as Muslims, christians, and jews like to say. Evolution is fact. It doesnt mean that we just all came from monkeys. It is more infinite then this. If Muslims understand evolution is quite possibly caused by the Big Bang. The scientific community is quite convinced that evolution is fact. We even see this today. Just recently on Yahoo News there was a story of a type of bird that was evolving because of the size of the bird feeder it was feeding from. Plants have been evolving as is evident in the many species. Not just that but plants actually sometimes fight for sunlight with other plants and make attacks on eachother. Through evolution plants have developed defense mechanisms against other plants and bugs as well as fungi.
No Scientist have proven a creationist theory. It is difficult to say that there was just a FIRST CAUSE and then here the universe is.
Its odd that Zakir Naik uses this verse to prove the Qur'an without realizing that it promotes a doctrine other than creationism. The Qur'an still accepts that Allah created Adam and Eve. If we trace back the lineages through the prophets and history we would find the earth not to be as old as modern day scientist tells us. This is the problem Judaism, christianity, and Islam have.
A Islamic caller named Yusuf Estes claims that evolution can be supported by the Qur'an. This to me just seems to be an apologetic claim.What is his proof? His proof is that Allah is called the "Shaper" in the Qur'an. This is a far stretch to conclude that evolution would be supported. We really would have to discard the story of Adam and Eve. We would also have to give up the fairy tales of Noah's ark.
If Zakir Naik really wants to prove the Big Bang Theory then he has just squashed the whole Islamic view point of creationism.
See Hindus believe in a Deity, but in Sanatana Dharma this Deity is expressed in all things and transcends all things. In Sanatana Dharma (hinduism) evolution can be supported by the vedis. The same thing can be said in Buddhism and Taoism. So does Zakir Naik want the world to become Hindus, Buddhist, and taoist and perhaps Shamans? Or does he just want to narrow his views down to what he interprets of the Qur'an?
Where are all the Islamic Scientist in the field of Quantum Physics that are finding the discoveries of Emptiness, Entanglement, and studying the possibility of the Big bang? How come they are silent and waited until modern day science (after non muslims began discovering it)? They could have told us all way before the modern science boom. We would be far more advanced, but the theories that the Qur'an supports these only came after Science became a strong foundation to discovering how the Universe works. It is much like the christians using so called scientific evidences in their works to prove their religion right. How come they all waited until these findings and then claimed the findings were in their books? Why didnt they lead the way and teach us about Emptiness, Oneness, Entanglement, and the Big Bang before non muslims founded it? If the truth had been in the Qur'an all along why not expound it?
The difference between Judaism, Christianity, Islam, with religions like Sanatana Dharma (hinduism), Buddhism, Taoism, and Shamanism, is that Hindus, Buddhist, Taoist, and Shamans are not trying to convert people based on scientific findings in their scriptures, but instead are explaining scientific findings by direct experience as taught in their scriptures. So instead of making a doctrine about it, the Buddhist, Hindus, Taoist, and shamans are busy actually experiencing the truths and finding for themselves in their physical bodies and out of their physical bodies how the universe works.
A friend of mine sent me a youtube video of Zakir Naik a muslim caller proving the existence of God. He mentions about if we come across machinery we do not think that the machinery came from nothing. We will usually say that there was a maker up of the machinery or an inventor. I am not an atheist in the sense of believing in a nihilistic viewpoint, but I am of the type to think of the concept of God much different then western religions.
Seeing machinery or let us just say a piece of paper, we wonder where it came from. In Buddhism everything comes about through infinite causes and conditions. That piece of paper that is crumbled up on the ground is said to belong to Buddha. But what does it mean to belong to buddha? Does it mean the man, Siddhartha Gautama who lived in India 2,600 years ago? No, it belongs to the Buddha as in it comes about through interdependence.
There are INFINITE causes and conditions that brought that paper to its state of being crumbled on the ground. Within that paper are trees infinite and vast. In the paper there are bugs and birds. In it is the sun and the moon. The atmosphere of the earth and the planetery stations of other planests in our solar system and many other galaxies. Water is seen in the paper. Countless human lives are found in it. Not only this but animals are found in it. The humans that made the paper out of the tree come about through infinite causes and conditions. If you remove just the sun the conditions are not right for that human to take form nor for the paper. So from a Buddhist point of view it is not just looking at a piece of paper or machinery and believing it came out of nothing.
Zakir Naik in the video alleges that the Qur'an supports the Big Bang Theory. He quotes this verse of the Qu'an:
Do the Unbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, before We clove them asunder? We made every living thing from water. Will they not then believe? (Qur'an 21:30)
It is nice to see this, but if only the Muslims could truely accept the Big Bang theory, it would clear up a lot of their myths and tales.
According to the Big Bang Theory which may or may not be accepted as truth states that the entire infinite universe was infinite potential, infinite small matter, that was condensed in infinite hot and dense place. From this matter as we know it which is basically just energy vibrating at a certain rate began expanding and continues to expand. This means there is no end to the universe.
Now to some scientist and in particular Quantum Physicist, the view of the universe being an entanglement is probably due to the big bang. What is important to note here is that in Hinduism (more properly refferred to as Sanatana Dharma), Buddhism (the teachings of the Buddha), and Taoism (ancient Chinese way of life arisen from Shamanism) all teach that the Universe as infinite as it is is just one Whole Living Organism. This means that you and I are the same as a tree, rock, animal, or skies. Muslims who dont know much about this might say its silly or its an unproven theory. However, scientist have proven the interconnectedness of the universe. There are many experiments in the US and Europe that shows the relationship of the Universe. When we study subatomic particles we have to conclude that everything consist of these and thus there is truely oneness.
Not only this but scientist have proven Emptiness, which the Hindus (yogis and masters of old) knew way before Muhammad was even a small baby. The Taoist also knew this and after them the Buddhist. Shamans of not only eastern origin but also western knew of this as well. We might as well become Buddhist, hindus, and Taoist, and study western shamanism.
So firstly we have to ask the Muslims if they believe Oneness of all that exist. The answer would be no, unless you were asking a Sufi who would be branded a heretic for expounding the doctrine of Wahdat al-wujud (Oneness of Being-which includes Oneness with Allah).
Would Muslims like to admit that a Believer is equal to an Unbeliever? It is as one eastern philosopher said as much as we hate Hitler, he is still apart of us. This is QUITE LITERALLY.
Muslims are not ready for this truth just yet. Perhaps in the future when there are not so many radicals that are willing to slit your throat for believing in doctrines outside of the Quran. The Buddha, and many Yogis before him awakened to the Reality of the Universe and the One Life that exist. That single Unicity of consciousness is called God in some Hindu sects. Buddhism likes to keep things with less concepts and simply call it Emptiness or Shunyata. It is all the same thing. Muslims cannot accept this.
Another thing that the Big Bang Theory would provide an explanation for Evolution which is not really a theory as Muslims, christians, and jews like to say. Evolution is fact. It doesnt mean that we just all came from monkeys. It is more infinite then this. If Muslims understand evolution is quite possibly caused by the Big Bang. The scientific community is quite convinced that evolution is fact. We even see this today. Just recently on Yahoo News there was a story of a type of bird that was evolving because of the size of the bird feeder it was feeding from. Plants have been evolving as is evident in the many species. Not just that but plants actually sometimes fight for sunlight with other plants and make attacks on eachother. Through evolution plants have developed defense mechanisms against other plants and bugs as well as fungi.
No Scientist have proven a creationist theory. It is difficult to say that there was just a FIRST CAUSE and then here the universe is.
Its odd that Zakir Naik uses this verse to prove the Qur'an without realizing that it promotes a doctrine other than creationism. The Qur'an still accepts that Allah created Adam and Eve. If we trace back the lineages through the prophets and history we would find the earth not to be as old as modern day scientist tells us. This is the problem Judaism, christianity, and Islam have.
A Islamic caller named Yusuf Estes claims that evolution can be supported by the Qur'an. This to me just seems to be an apologetic claim.What is his proof? His proof is that Allah is called the "Shaper" in the Qur'an. This is a far stretch to conclude that evolution would be supported. We really would have to discard the story of Adam and Eve. We would also have to give up the fairy tales of Noah's ark.
If Zakir Naik really wants to prove the Big Bang Theory then he has just squashed the whole Islamic view point of creationism.
See Hindus believe in a Deity, but in Sanatana Dharma this Deity is expressed in all things and transcends all things. In Sanatana Dharma (hinduism) evolution can be supported by the vedis. The same thing can be said in Buddhism and Taoism. So does Zakir Naik want the world to become Hindus, Buddhist, and taoist and perhaps Shamans? Or does he just want to narrow his views down to what he interprets of the Qur'an?
Where are all the Islamic Scientist in the field of Quantum Physics that are finding the discoveries of Emptiness, Entanglement, and studying the possibility of the Big bang? How come they are silent and waited until modern day science (after non muslims began discovering it)? They could have told us all way before the modern science boom. We would be far more advanced, but the theories that the Qur'an supports these only came after Science became a strong foundation to discovering how the Universe works. It is much like the christians using so called scientific evidences in their works to prove their religion right. How come they all waited until these findings and then claimed the findings were in their books? Why didnt they lead the way and teach us about Emptiness, Oneness, Entanglement, and the Big Bang before non muslims founded it? If the truth had been in the Qur'an all along why not expound it?
The difference between Judaism, Christianity, Islam, with religions like Sanatana Dharma (hinduism), Buddhism, Taoism, and Shamanism, is that Hindus, Buddhist, Taoist, and Shamans are not trying to convert people based on scientific findings in their scriptures, but instead are explaining scientific findings by direct experience as taught in their scriptures. So instead of making a doctrine about it, the Buddhist, Hindus, Taoist, and shamans are busy actually experiencing the truths and finding for themselves in their physical bodies and out of their physical bodies how the universe works.