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amith vikram
25 January 2010, 11:41 PM
hi,
i am 22 yrs old.i feel i have practiced self control in many ways for some time now.in my short personal experience,i found out that brahmacharya is quite different from 'not experiencing pleasurable thoughts'.i now understand why it is penance and i also invariably agree that it is the best penance. i thought, let me go 2 the next step of meditation,but i dont know anythin about meditation. i also have a doubt how meditation is different from sandhya vandana. because while doin sandhya,we do pranayama.so isnt this like,including meditation.

also,i dont know how 2 look at the tip of my nose.i mean when i concentrate or look at my tip,the nose disappears and i am not looking at anythin.and,what should i think while i meditate? i guess nothin? and should i chant aum in my mind or not?

and also, what if i have 2 go outside somewhere and eat some in- appropriate food?
please guide me from start.
thank you.

mukunda20
26 January 2010, 07:22 AM
Namaste Amith Vikram,
The ways of meditation are many and i am sure others here will surely be of great help in guiding you in the right path.
but first and foremost since you said that you perform Sandhya vandana, this can become your first step towards meditation.
Sandhya = union and Vandana = salutation\praying.

as you may be knowing, a dwija\brahmachari is to perform trikaala sandhya vandana.
1: pratah kaala(where the night shifts into day)
2: Maadhyanika (where forenoon shifts into afternoon)
3: Saayam kaala (where the day shifts into night)
in all these cases, its the sandhya\union \transition of the Sun from one phase to another which is very crucial for the entire Earth where in even if one ray of the Sun escapes filtering during any of these transitions, then natural disaster can occur. This is
the reason a dwija prays to Surya\Sun during these transition period to protect the entire World with His grace. and even this prayer is not done in a selfish motive, but done with a prayer seeking guidance from the Sun with the chanting of the Gayatri Mantra.
"Om Bhur Bhuvah Svah,
Tat Savitur varenyam,
Bhargo devasya dheemahi,
Dheeyo yo nah prachodayaat"
Om : The primary sound\vibration\energy wave which is responsible for entire creation
Bhur : Bhoomi\Earth
Bhuvah:entire celestial system surrounding Bhoomi
Svah: everything that is beyond this celestial system also
Tat :that
Savitur: Surya\Sun
varenyam: excellent\most supreme
Bhargo : light
devasya : from that God( Surya)
dheemahi: meditate upon
Dheeyo : buddhi\intellect
yo nah : of us
prachodayaat: be motivated\guided
in total the Gayatri Mantra states "O Surya, the most benevolent\Supreme one , one whose light spreads\supports the Earth, the celestial system and beyond, let us meditate\focus\concentrate on that light of yours so that you guide us by improving our intellect".
This is chanted during the transition periods so that the effect of chanting will be maximum.
Thus for starting meditation, if one chants the Gayatri Mantra(its called Gayatri mantra since its in the metre\chandas of Gayatri) and focusses in his\her inner eye upon the radiance and knowledge\guidance passed by the Sun, then the person will improve his\her knowledge(which will in turn help the person to progress).
in every case, Transition is the most crucial part.
example. even though a mother is very careful while a baby is growing inside her and also growing outside(after birth), still the transition\process of giving birth is the most crucial and life threatening one.
Even though one does not perform Sandhya Vandana during all the unions, whenever one performs, if the focus is upon following the path enlightened by Surya(the knower of all Vedas), then the whole process of Sandhya Vandana will be effective.
Hope this helps.
Best Regards,
mukunda

Eastern Mind
26 January 2010, 07:39 AM
Namaste amith: Firstly, I am absolutely no expert. But I do feel its a slow process, and one must start very simply, not with some complex overly long unreachable idea. That method is sure to disappoint.

The fact that you can practice brahmacarya says a ton about will.

So here are a few very simple suggestions.
1) spine straight, head balanced, comfortable position, preferably cross-legged on floor (lotus only if you're comfortable, don't force it)
2) regulated breath, same count in (often 9 counts mentally) as out, breathing diaphramatically (sp) (Natural breathing, same way as you sleep)
3) sitting absolutely still, no movement
4) 5 minutes at first, don't overpush yourself .. ever
5) same time and place every day

After this is mastered for say 6 months or more, then ask again, and someone will take you deeper.

Having said this, the views on meditation and what it is vary tremendously from different schools, and teachers. Everything from relaxation exercises, prayer, reflecting thoughts, yoga asanas, etc has been called 'meditation'. You will notice this in readings because people (teachers, students) add adjectives like transcendental, Christian, kundalini, etc in front of the word. This just shows the wide variety.

Hope this helps a bit.

Aum namasivaya

amith vikram
26 January 2010, 08:09 AM
namaste all,
thank you for the response.
i have some more doubts to both mukunda and EM...
thank you so much for explaining the gayatri mantra.although i had read from so many other sources,the meanings of bhuvah and suvah wasnt clear 2 me. anyway,can u also please tell me about the 24 mudras that one should do before the japa?and the anganyasa and the karanyasa?and,whom exactly do we pray,surya or gayatri? i was of the opinion that since gayatri is the shakti rupini,you know the manifest 'that',we are actually praying gayatri devi.pls clarify this doubt.i had an awful brahmopadesha(mantras without their intent),so.

how many types of meditation are practiced?i think i have heard of kundalini somewhere and the chakras.which is the meditation as suggested in the gita?

and also what abt the nose tip trouble?
pls help
thanks

Eastern Mind
26 January 2010, 09:58 AM
Namaste amith:

I'm sorry, but I don't understand any of the last post. You obviously know a lot more than I do about meditation and prayer. I must have misunderstood your first post. I thought you knew nothing from that so I gave you very basic stuff that I know of. I think we are on two different wavelengths. I'm on the practical side, and you're on the theory side. One is intellectual, and the other is intuitive. Therefore, I'm out. Sorry my advice was not of use.

Aum Namasivaya

devotee
26 January 2010, 08:52 PM
Namaste Amith,

Meditation is a practice which takes you towards Super-consciousness & it may ultimately reveal the True Self to the seeker.

It is not Sandhya Vandana. Sandhya Vandana is an outwardly practice. In Meditation you go inward. Pranayam too is not meditation but it is "preparing yourself for meditation".

"Looking at the tip of your nose" :

When you look at the tip of the nose, the nose gets blurred ... it doesn't disappear. Keeping your eye-gaze at some point is part of meditation practice. It varies from one type to the other.

"What to think while meditating" :

This depends upon what type of meditation you are doing. In Vipassana meditation (Buddhist practice), you are just watching your breath without adding any thought to it. However, Hindu practices start with holding on to one thought initially.

"Chanting OM mentally or not": It depends upon what meditation you are doing. In Mantra meditation (Mahesh Yogi & others), you have to chant it mentally. However, it is not so in all meditation practices.

"Going out & eating inappropriate food etc." :

Everything whatever you do affects your meditation. How you interact with people, what you read, what types of people you meet, what you eat, how much you eat, what you think, what you do .... etc. etc.

The food you eat also affects your meditation. So, it is advisable to eat Sattvik foods. However, if not possible, you may eat whatever you feel appropriate but it may affect your meditation on that day.

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It is advisable to learn meditation from some good teacher/Guru as it may take you to unknown mental realms & it is advisable to have blessings of a Guru. There are many organisations which teach meditational practices : Maharishi Yogananda's organisation (SRF & YSS), Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's organisation (Transcendental Meditation) ,Brahma Kumaris, "Art of Living" by Sri Sri Ravishankar, Vipassana Centres (Buddhist) in India and abroad run by Sri Goenka, Vijnana Bhairava Tantra (by organisation of Swami Lakshman joo), Ramkrishna Mission etc.

For preliminary understanding, you may visit this website :

www.meditationiseasy.com

OM

Mohini Shakti Devi
26 January 2010, 09:22 PM
Please accept this discription:

Classic old-time 20 min Silent Meditation:

1 - Sit alone quietly, eyes closed, wait a moment . . . then

2 - Silently repeat a short mantra(mono-syllabic is Okay) or prayer-mantra.

3 - Repeat step #2 for 20 minutes*.

4 - At finish, direct attention to any points of discomfort in the body. End.


*During step #2-3, the mind will wander away from the task of the mantra repeatition. When that happens, simple return to repeating the mantra.

mukunda20
27 January 2010, 06:52 AM
namaste all,
thank you for the response.
i have some more doubts to both mukunda and EM...
thank you so much for explaining the gayatri mantra.although i had read from so many other sources,the meanings of bhuvah and suvah wasnt clear 2 me. anyway,can u also please tell me about the 24 mudras that one should do before the japa?and the anganyasa and the karanyasa?and,whom exactly do we pray,surya or gayatri? i was of the opinion that since gayatri is the shakti rupini,you know the manifest 'that',we are actually praying gayatri devi.pls clarify this doubt.i had an awful brahmopadesha(mantras without their intent),so.

how many types of meditation are practiced?i think i have heard of kundalini somewhere and the chakras.which is the meditation as suggested in the gita?

and also what abt the nose tip trouble?
pls help
thanks

Namaste Amith Vikram
first of all the Gayatri Mantra is called so because of two primary reasons.
1: the sloka word placing follows the Gayatri Chandas(grammar format)
2: The chanting of the sloka gives rise to Shakti Rupinis aura(as you have mentioned)
also this mantra is sometimes called as Savitri mantra also(because it is about Savitur).
In total, the Gayatri mantra is about asking Surya Bhagwan for guidance.
This mantra was first concieved by Rishi Vishwamitra after tapasya(as Sri Krishna says in the Gita, he first explained all the concepts to Surya). So Surya is the knower of the Vedas(yat vid iti veda, whatever is vidya\knowledge is called veda, not just the one written in the books).
the mudras, anga nyasa kara nyasa are best known if explained face to face(my suggestion is , please seek help of a person who does Sandhya vandana and knows what he\she is doing). however the introduction to these are explained in this link
http://tamilelibrary.org/sadhana/archives/213

about brahmopadesha\upanayana samskaara\thread initiation ceremony in India, mostly this is the case where its mantras without intent sadly. In my case, my Guru who did brahmopadesha was willing to explain, but I was having brahmopadesha more so since everyone else was a brahmachari, and thought that its a status symbol. I am still trying to learn it the hard way.
Best regards,
mukunda

amith vikram
27 January 2010, 09:23 AM
namaste all,
thank you so much for your inputs.it was very helpful.

well, i have another doubt which i feel is right 2 express here.
a few months back i was reading the upanishads(edited,english version) and all of a sudden,i felt something open inside my forehead. i dont know if it was my imagination or anythin like that,but is there a possibility that the 3rd eye will open just like that. i dont know if it true or not. anyone with similar experience?

mukunda20
28 January 2010, 02:32 AM
Namaste Amith
you wrote "all of a sudden,i felt something open inside my forehead. i dont know if it was my imagination or anythin like that,but is there a possibility that the 3rd eye will open just like that. i dont know if it true or not. anyone with similar experience?"
If you want to make sure its not any wild hallucination\imagination, then next time you get the same feeling, close your eyes and focus your energy on that point where you felt some opening. then after dedicated focussing, you might experience that particular portion starting vibrating and some other small changes. these confirm that your Ajna chakra\third eye or the eye which opens a portal to the astral plane has opened. Please remember not to over strain yourself in order to achieve this. this should be like a free flow of water. it requires some stages of practise to reach the astral planes and stay there.also after you feel satisfied\felt that you have concentrated enough on the third eye\Ajna chakra, then slowly come down to the physical plane and open your eyes.
Its best to experience all this under the guidance of a Guru. as you know from the Gayatri mantra itself, we all need a guiding force since anything can turn ugly if misused. its not to scare anyone, but the maximum effects of any sadhana can be achieved under the guidance of a Guru only.
for your information: from what you have described, it looks like your Ajna Chakra which became active and opened.
Best Regards,
mukunda

amith vikram
28 January 2010, 06:49 AM
namaste mukunda,
yeah, you are right. i've 2 approach a guru. just out of curiosity,do you also have a guru?
but i find it difficult to find a guru,because i am not a knowledgeble person nor an ignorant.
and also,mukunda, at what age did you start all these vedanta and things?do you practice any sadhana/celibacy? and lastly,has life changed for you in any way after this vedanta knowledge?

i know its stupid Qs but if you feel comfortable...i'm just curious about how other people who think the same concept approach life.

and i am so thrilled by the ajna chakra opening.thanks for that info.

Eastern Mind
28 January 2010, 08:51 AM
Vannakkam: I'm always amazed at the levels of understanding. Or perhaps better put, the differences in understanding.

This is my understanding of chakras... the muladhara is first and foremost. Most people are not even at that stable place, let alone the ajna. The fourth chakra is that of will, where the yogi can use his will to do tremendous penances like arduous long bouts of meditation. (Days, not hours, or minutes) ... the ajna is inner sight, the siddhi of seeing auras, so a sense of opening something could possibly be something else altogether.

Amith, are you now able to see auras?

It is also my understanding that we do get glimpses of awareness being in these higher chakras. We get flashes of light, etc. But there is a huge difference between driving past a castle, or taking a tour and then living in the castle as a permanent residence.

Personally, I think some yogi or yogis in the past shared some of these mystic secrets with students whose egos then went blabbing them off. Now some of this mystic stuff is misinterpreted as easily attainable by the common man. It is ego at work in my opinion, and in actuality the true mystic yogi or guru is operating at a depth most of us could never imagine. Often he would be incredibly good at hiding his level of realisation. Only those approaching his level somewhat would be able to see it.

However, this is just my personal opinion. You are free to believe otherwise.

Aum Namasivaya

amith vikram
28 January 2010, 10:34 AM
Vannakkam: I'm always amazed at the levels of understanding. Or perhaps better put, the differences in understanding.

This is my understanding of chakras... the muladhara is first and foremost. Most people are not even at that stable place, let alone the ajna. The fourth chakra is that of will, where the yogi can use his will to do tremendous penances like arduous long bouts of meditation. (Days, not hours, or minutes) ... the ajna is inner sight, the siddhi of seeing auras, so a sense of opening something could possibly be something else altogether.

Amith, are you now able to see auras?

It is also my understanding that we do get glimpses of awareness being in these higher chakras. We get flashes of light, etc. But there is a huge difference between driving past a castle, or taking a tour and then living in the castle as a permanent residence.

Personally, I think some yogi or yogis in the past shared some of these mystic secrets with students whose egos then went blabbing them off. Now some of this mystic stuff is misinterpreted as easily attainable by the common man. It is ego at work in my opinion, and in actuality the true mystic yogi or guru is operating at a depth most of us could never imagine. Often he would be incredibly good at hiding his level of realisation. Only those approaching his level somewhat would be able to see it.

However, this is just my personal opinion. You are free to believe otherwise.

Aum Namasivaya
well,thats exactly why i asked this Q.
i have never done any kind of meditation even for 10 mins,nor do i know the right way. thats the reason of this thread. yogic powers or anythin like that is not my intention. its practically not possible for me.

like i said before, i was wondering what that feeling was.so i asked. and let me tell you, i cant see any suras or asuras or any other mystic stuff.may be it was somethin related 2 my skin. i dont know.

another small doubt: what is the final intent of meditation?
is it knowledge or power?
and isnt power the result of knowledge?

Eastern Mind
28 January 2010, 11:19 AM
Namaste amith:

Auras and asuras are two entirely different things.

Auras are subtle fields of energy that surround people. They are colors that extend out about a metre from the body, and indicate the area of awareness that that person is in. For example, it the aura is ywllow, it means they are intellectual. If it has flashes of red, in darker colors, it indicates anger from depression. The whole study is a mystical science.


Asuras are beings, usually disembodied souls who are of the lower instinctive nature. They hover around people trying to be mischief makers, or magnets pulling you downwards. They like to hang around alcohol and dirt especially.

The final goal of meditation is realisation of the Self, moksha, liberation.

Once again, other answers may vary, but this is my take from my sampradaya's perspective.

Aum Namasivaya

amith vikram
28 January 2010, 12:00 PM
Namaste amith:

Auras and asuras are two entirely different things.

Auras are subtle fields of energy that surround people. They are colors that extend out about a metre from the body, and indicate the area of awareness that that person is in. For example, it the aura is ywllow, it means they are intellectual. If it has flashes of red, in darker colors, it indicates anger from depression. The whole study is a mystical science.


Asuras are beings, usually disembodied souls who are of the lower instinctive nature. They hover around people trying to be mischief makers, or magnets pulling you downwards. They like to hang around alcohol and dirt especially.

The final goal of meditation is realisation of the Self, moksha, liberation.

Once again, other answers may vary, but this is my take from my sampradaya's perspective.

Aum Namasivaya
namaste eastern mind,
i am really sorry, i read auras as asuras.
no, i couldnt see any auras.i might say that my facial skin is smoother now,but its too early 2 come 2 any conclusion.like you mentioned before,i will practice the initial process for sometime.
and which sampradaya are you following?

Eastern Mind
28 January 2010, 01:06 PM
amith:

Hey if your skin is smoother that is a good thing. At my age I wish skin would get smoother. Seems it's going at about 2 new wrinkles a year now. Soon I'll look like Keith Richards. If you don't know who that is, google it with 'images'.

I follow the monistic Saiva Siddhanta school known as the natha sampradaya.

Not that it matters. Actually I follow my gut.

Aum Namasivaya

mukunda20
28 January 2010, 02:58 PM
namaste mukunda,
yeah, you are right. i've 2 approach a guru. just out of curiosity,do you also have a guru?
but i find it difficult to find a guru,because i am not a knowledgeble person nor an ignorant.
and also,mukunda, at what age did you start all these vedanta and things?do you practice any sadhana/celibacy? and lastly,has life changed for you in any way after this vedanta knowledge?

i know its stupid Qs but if you feel comfortable...i'm just curious about how other people who think the same concept approach life.

and i am so thrilled by the ajna chakra opening.thanks for that info.

Namaste Amith Vikram,

"yeah, you are right. i've 2 approach a guru. just out of curiosity,do you also have a guru?"
yes, but not a physical one.
"but i find it difficult to find a guru,because i am not a knowledgeble person nor an ignorant. "
that is the case with everyone, but as someone said in this forum itself, "when the time comes, the Guru will come for you, you needn't search for the Guru".
"at what age did you start all these vedanta and things?do you practice any sadhana/celibacy? and lastly,has life changed for you in any way after this vedanta knowledge?"
I might state here that fortunately by GODS Grace, from my childhood, my parents and Grand parents have been motivating me in that direction. its only after i reached my adulthood that i started realising what all i have gained from these people unknowingly. I know one thing for sure, i am still in the starting stages of Sadhana\celibacy and have a pretty long way to go. Life, as one sees it changes from time to time as and when we learn more. right now the only duty i am trying to follow is to follow the path instructed by my Guru(have fallen n number of times in this, still trying...).
Best Regards,
mukunda

mukunda20
28 January 2010, 03:10 PM
Vannakkam: I'm always amazed at the levels of understanding. Or perhaps better put, the differences in understanding.

This is my understanding of chakras... the muladhara is first and foremost. Most people are not even at that stable place, let alone the ajna. The fourth chakra is that of will, where the yogi can use his will to do tremendous penances like arduous long bouts of meditation. (Days, not hours, or minutes) ... the ajna is inner sight, the siddhi of seeing auras, so a sense of opening something could possibly be something else altogether.

Amith, are you now able to see auras?

It is also my understanding that we do get glimpses of awareness being in these higher chakras. We get flashes of light, etc. But there is a huge difference between driving past a castle, or taking a tour and then living in the castle as a permanent residence.

Personally, I think some yogi or yogis in the past shared some of these mystic secrets with students whose egos then went blabbing them off. Now some of this mystic stuff is misinterpreted as easily attainable by the common man. It is ego at work in my opinion, and in actuality the true mystic yogi or guru is operating at a depth most of us could never imagine. Often he would be incredibly good at hiding his level of realisation. Only those approaching his level somewhat would be able to see it.

However, this is just my personal opinion. You are free to believe otherwise.

Aum Namasivaya

Namaste EM,
i have to agree with you on this. but one question here is that, even though the muladhara chakra is the base(as the name suggests), still when one is totally keeping muladhara at bay and focussing upon the higher chakras(like ajna), then isn't it possible to activate it alone?
please correct me if wrong,
best regards,
mukunda

Eastern Mind
28 January 2010, 04:21 PM
Namaste EM,
i have to agree with you on this. but one question here is that, even though the muladhara chakra is the base(as the name suggests), still when one is totally keeping muladhara at bay and focussing upon the higher chakras(like ajna), then isn't it possible to activate it alone?
please correct me if wrong,
best regards,
mukunda

Vanakkam Mukunda: I have no direct knowledge so cannot answer with any definitive certainty. If what you say is true, from my readings, it would only be possible temporarily. Think of a stack of bricks. Certainly, with your hand you could hold the 6th brick in the place that it would eventually sit. But in order for it to be permanently in place, it would need five bricks underneath it. Then you could take your hand away, and it would stay there.

I would not say that you are wrong. I am just comparing, shall we say, sources that I trust, with sources that I don't trust. The analogy above would relate to a source I trust.

Having said that, because of the ego enhancement thing about mystical knowledge, I believe there are a lot of new age gurus and the like that teach something that borders on sensationalism just to attract an audience or sell more books. It feeds the ego to think one can be in the ajna chakra. Perhaps I'm just some cynical old bastard, but I've seen too many people spouting off about this stuff when its obvious they actually know very little. Kind of like the guy with the 'How to Get Rich Quick' scheme who comes driving up in a Beater Ford Tempo, and clothes that appear to be from the closest Salvation Army.

There are also 7 chakras below the muladhara, but nobody likes to mention them because they're not, shall we say... positive. Things like greed, lust, deceit.

Of course, you are free to differ. You can trust any source you want. But personally I'm somewhat cautious of the "Instant Enlightenment Guaranteed' types. I think its a side path to living a virtuous life, for most ordinary folk.

Aum Namasivaya

mukunda20
28 January 2010, 04:59 PM
Namaste EM,
you wrote "Vanakkam Mukunda: I have no direct knowledge so cannot answer with any definitive certainty. If what you say is true, from my readings, it would only be possible temporarily. Think of a stack of bricks. Certainly, with your hand you could hold the 6th brick in the place that it would eventually sit. But in order for it to be permanently in place, it would need five bricks underneath it. Then you could take your hand away, and it would stay there.
"
Of course the Muladhara chakra, if initiated in the proper manner, will rise up activating all other chakras on the way until the Sahasraarka chakra is reached(this might be the best way to do it). but i beg to differ on the analogy you have provided as these chakras can be activated on their own and the way through muladhara is one of the many ways. for example, one may prefer to focus only on the vishudha(throat), ajna(third eye) and sahasraarka chakra(top of head) or only one also. all it depends at the end of the day is what is gained from the Sadhana since one does Sadhana to progress. coming back to your analogy, what if we consider the other way round, let us consider a point where the sahasraarka chakra is opened (by only focussing on higher chakras, not muladhara)which ultimately leads to enlightenment. does the brick theory still hold good?

Of course there are many fake Gurus wanting to have more popularity\instant fame etc and are everyday luring the desperate.that is probably why we have many Jagath Gurus for one Jagath nowadays.
Best regards,
mukunda

Eastern Mind
28 January 2010, 05:54 PM
mukunda:

I don't come here to start arguments about such things. I gave you my point of view, and it stands. Perhaps I am dead wrong. It wouldn't be the first time, nor will it be the last. If you want to take the view that any chakras can be opened at will with concentration, then that's your right. You could very well be correct. Who am I to say? My teaching and understanding is that the nature is 'rising kundalini' not jumping around kundalini, and no other chakra is possible unless the snake is well adjusted stationed permanently at the muladhara.

You are, once again, totally welcome to differ. That is the beauty of Hinduism. There are different schools of thought. Whichever makes the most sense to you is the one you should latch on to.

Aum Namasivaya

mukunda20
29 January 2010, 03:19 AM
"mukunda:

I don't come here to start arguments about such things. I gave you my point of view, and it stands. Perhaps I am dead wrong. It wouldn't be the first time, nor will it be the last. If you want to take the view that any chakras can be opened at will with concentration, then that's your right. You could very well be correct. Who am I to say? My teaching and understanding is that the nature is 'rising kundalini' not jumping around kundalini, and no other chakra is possible unless the snake is well adjusted stationed permanently at the muladhara.

You are, once again, totally welcome to differ. That is the beauty of Hinduism. There are different schools of thought. Whichever makes the most sense to you is the one you should latch on to.

Aum Namasivaya"

Namaste EM,
First of all, I would like to apologize if any mistake\arrogant words occurred from my side since my intention was not to start any argument or to differ just for argument sake, but to have a healthy discussion where i could improve in those areas where my ignorance is more visible.
secondly, could you kindly point out the mistake in my viewpoint?
my viewpoint is: when one can focus on the muladhara chakra and make it rise up after activation, why not focus on some other chakra as well and activate it alone?
please forgive me arrogance and ignorance.
Best Regards,
mukunda

Eastern Mind
29 January 2010, 08:14 AM
Mukunda: The mistake is that you can't activate it alone. Not unless previous ones have already been activated in a more permanent way. Again, just my opinion.

But yes, once the channel (sushumna) is clear, so to speak, you can hold awareness at a particular chakra. So for example if a metaphysical teacher saw the need to read someone's aura for the benefit of helping that devotee, he could stay in the awareness of the ajna just to have a 'good look' or study the that aura.

Also from my perspective, all of this is basically not possible without the prerequisite - practice of celibacy. For it is the same energy, the sexual energy, once transmuted by being withheld, that propels the snake upward. So from my viewpoint, any non -celibate individual talking about higher chakras is doing so from reading books or good fictional narration, not from any direct experience.

Yet still it is useful to hold a road map before going somewhere.

Aum Namasivaya

mukunda20
29 January 2010, 09:11 AM
Namaste EM,
Thanks for the clarification.
Best Regards,
mukunda

MahaHrada
29 January 2010, 10:36 AM
my viewpoint is: when one can focus on the muladhara chakra and make it rise up after activation, why not focus on some other chakra as well and activate it alone?
mukunda

Your viewpoint is correct. It is not only possible but very benefical to let the mind rest on other chakras than the muladhara and many such contemplations or Dhyanas are described in the Yoga shastras, such as Patanjali Yoga Sutras, Goraksha Sataka, Siddha Siddhanta Paddhati, Shiva Samhita and other Yoga shastras, also in almost all the Tantras and Agamas, and in diverse Upanishads there are several instances where the beneficial results of meditation on the hridaya chakra, ajna chakra, sahasrara and other chakras are mentioned. Especially diverse meditations on the hridaya padma for achieving Atma Jnana are very much encouraged in the Upanishads.

For instance in Patanjalis Yoga sutras, some locations of chakras are mentioned amongst other objects of meditation in Chapter 3. There Patanjali, the foremost Authorithy of Samkhya Yoga, states for instance, that by samyama on:

32 hridaye chittasanvit
In the heart, knowledge of minds.

33. moordhajyotishi siddhadarshanam
On the light emanating from the top of the head sight of the Siddhas.

is achieved. All Hindu Yoga Gurus and Siddhas are uniformely recommending meditation on the other chakras, also several chakras other then Muladhara can be starting points from where Kundalini shakti can move upwards.

In the Upanishads there are a lot of contemplations mentionend where Kundalini in the form of Vak Devi, or Pranava, that means in her pure form as unstruck sound (Nada) is made to ascend from the anahata padma to the brain chakra. In Hatha Yoga ascend is usually started from nabhi chakra or muladhara.

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mukunda20
31 January 2010, 07:54 AM
Namaste MahaHrada,

Thanks for the valuable information and for backing this viewpoint.
Thanks,
mukunda