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Eastern Mind
15 April 2010, 08:25 AM
Vannakkam:

This is the issue, for those who cannot get it or understand it, from the article. Fake marriages have been used for a long time as methods for immigration. It can work in several ways but here is one: An unscrupulous man from some country convinces a woman here that if he pays her 25 000 or some fairly substantial sum, will she marry him. Then when he does come to the country, he lives somewhere else for a five year period, and then there is a divorce.

This has been used for a long time as an unethical method for immigration. The problem is that in a VERY traditional arranged marriage, the government gets suspicious (rightfully so, in my opinion) when they ask the bride "Have you ever met your husband?" and she says no.

So rather than saying "This is an outcry towards arranged marriage," I think Mr Zed should look a bit more closely and offer up some solutions. All the government is saying is that they're going to take a closer look to try to seek out the fraudulent ones. Its complicated.

Aum Namasivaya

TatTvamAsi
15 April 2010, 09:50 PM
EM,

Although you bring up a good point, the matter is not so cut and dry.

With respect to Indian marriages, and Hindu marriages in particular, involving one person being an NRI, usually the bridegroom, it is a difficult situation for both parties.

There have been several cases that I've read about, mainly dealing with NRI bridegrooms in the US, who have a girlfriend here, where they fly back to India at their parents' behest to get "properly" married; i.e. a traditional arranged marriage. Due to the ambiguity of the history of the groom, most parents, if they are from well-to-do households, will do their due diligence on the groom; and vice versa if applicable. In fact, this is a hidden benefit of arranged marriage because one can be somewhat sure of the background, upbringing, and comportment of the spouse and it is therefore looked upon as a security measure. This way, it keeps most of the riffraff away; psychos/philanderers and especially bigamists and polygamists. There have been situations where a guy from the US gets married to a traditional family (yes, in Indian marriages, you marry the FAMILY, not just the individual ;)), uses the bride, tells her he will send the paperwork (visa etc.) once he reaches the US and that's the last the bride hears of him. He's off romancing other women and/or marrying them. It is a terrible calamity for the bride and especially traditional families as she can never marry again. Shame is brought upon them and it's bad news all around.

To combat this, the Indian government brought in some laws to safeguard brides from lecherous NRIs (lol). Unfortunately, for whatever reason, certain loopholes in this law exposes innocent NRIs to unfair demands, embarrassment, and even humiliation at the hands of the bride and her family! Many men have gone through torrid times trying to avoid such situations. Of course, what I'm saying regarding this is from the various articles I've read about them. So, I can't be 100&#37; sure of the veracity of their claims.

Having said that, I'm not sure how Mr. Zed construes this immigration legislation to be anti-traditional or even anti-Hindu. That article was very short.

Plus, I think Mr. Zed should concentrate on promoting Hinduism in the US through media. As Satay said, I wonder where he gets funding? :D

Namaskar.

Eastern Mind
15 April 2010, 10:35 PM
TTA: Good to hear the Indian government has some kind of watching going on. Although I am usually dead against anything the current Canadian government does, I actually agree with them on this one.

My son has two Islamic (from India) friends from high school, a non-practising one , and his brother. Both were approached by Indian families to marry the daughters so that the daughter's extended families would then have an 'in' to immigration. The plan was a total fake marriage to be 'divorced' after 5 years, and I think the sum offered was 20 000 or more. I was glad to hear neither brother wanted anything to do with it, probably because it would be illegal, and they found the whole idea disturbing.

So it is really complicated, varying a lot from individual to individual. We had an extensive discussion on HDF earlier on arranged marriages, in case this leads to that. I dislike reiteration when we forget we already discussed something.

Aum Namasivaya

ScottMalaysia
16 April 2010, 09:57 AM
Vannakkam:

This is the issue, for those who cannot get it or understand it, from the article. Fake marriages have been used for a long time as methods for immigration. It can work in several ways but here is one: An unscrupulous man from some country convinces a woman here that if he pays her 25 000 or some fairly substantial sum, will she marry him. Then when he does come to the country, he lives somewhere else for a five year period, and then there is a divorce.

When I applied for my Spouse Visa to work in Malaysia, I had to wait a month while the Immigration Department did police checks and things. My father-in-law said that a lot of people from other, poorer countries like Bangladesh come to Malaysia and marry a local girl so they can apply for a Spouse Visa.


This has been used for a long time as an unethical method for immigration. The problem is that in a VERY traditional arranged marriage, the government gets suspicious (rightfully so, in my opinion) when they ask the bride "Have you ever met your husband?" and she says no.

What about mail-order brides? Would they be allowed under the new legislation?

Eastern Mind
16 April 2010, 02:01 PM
What about mail-order brides? Would they be allowed under the new legislation?

Scott: I'm not sure how the new law would be on that. Here in Canada, mail order brides are almost always Russian. There is a very significant difference. In the fake marriage scenario, the person immigrating PAYS money. With mail order brides, its almost like meeting via the internet. In fact that is how most are done. I would think my government would be more sympathetic to mail order brides. Its the individuals themselves doing the arranging, for one thing, not families with another motive.

But really I'm not sure. Certainly spousal abuse is possible in both cases.

BTW, I'm glad you passed all the requirements for Malaysia.

Aum Namasivaya