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28 June 2010, 09:42 AM
I didn't know where to post this one, shaiva or advaitha or buddhism.
The usage of Maya and Illusion is very common in kashmiri saivism, advaitham and buddhism. The usage confuses in many contexts, but not in all contexts. It confuses me due to differences in opinions. I would like your opinions.
In buddhism, I've heard 'illusion' is used in the context in saying everything is an illusion or 'nothingness' and in giving an opinion that this world is a lie. I'd like to ask Buddhists, if any present here, 'Is this true?'
I don't think the same usage goes for advaitha and saivism and I feel it is different. I think 'Maya' there refers to a road having mirage of water on summer days. See this thread link below and you'll know the context I'm referring to...
http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=5643&highlight=open
I also like to say, I've by mistake written create instead of manifest in that thread. I've tried editing that thread, but can't.
I think this is the viewpoint of advaitha and kashmiri saivism too. I've referred a book on Kashmiri Saivism and I've felt that I was right. I think everything or everybody exists, but not as we perceive it and I don't think that it exists in the domain of nothingness. Consciousness is not nothing! How can anyone say that? It is comparible to a road on hot summer days appearing wet, but not wet, which is a mirage. You may say the water(ignorance) on the road does not exist, but you can never ever say that the road(consciousness) doesn't exist. I refer to illusion and maya in this sense, and not in the sense of nothingness or 'does not exist' sense as I've heard it to be the point of Buddhism. I've heard it so, I don't know for sure and want you guys to tell me whether it is true.
Oh and Devotee, I've seen you use illusion like this-> The space between every atom or subatomic particles is 99.999999% free space and therefore the object such as a cup does not exist as it is nothing but free space. I've read this in one of Yajvanji's post, in science and religion forums. Your usage is somewhat doesn't convince the reader, especially me. What about the 0.000001%? I don't know in which context you were telling me. All the threads so far written by you has impressed me, but that one hadn't. Can you explain the context of your reference?
Can you guys please tell me where else the words 'maya' and 'illusion' are used and in which other senses and contexts?
Finally, I'd like to say
This world is not as we perceive it or we can call this world an illusion in the sense that it is not as we perceive it. If anyone says this world is an illusion in the sense that nothing exists, then I can't agree. It denies the existence of me and all.
Tell me your opinions..... Don't leave this thread stranded like 'open you third eye thread' Only Smaranam, NayaSurya and Eastern mind replied there. It is still :sleeping:.
The usage of Maya and Illusion is very common in kashmiri saivism, advaitham and buddhism. The usage confuses in many contexts, but not in all contexts. It confuses me due to differences in opinions. I would like your opinions.
In buddhism, I've heard 'illusion' is used in the context in saying everything is an illusion or 'nothingness' and in giving an opinion that this world is a lie. I'd like to ask Buddhists, if any present here, 'Is this true?'
I don't think the same usage goes for advaitha and saivism and I feel it is different. I think 'Maya' there refers to a road having mirage of water on summer days. See this thread link below and you'll know the context I'm referring to...
http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=5643&highlight=open
I also like to say, I've by mistake written create instead of manifest in that thread. I've tried editing that thread, but can't.
I think this is the viewpoint of advaitha and kashmiri saivism too. I've referred a book on Kashmiri Saivism and I've felt that I was right. I think everything or everybody exists, but not as we perceive it and I don't think that it exists in the domain of nothingness. Consciousness is not nothing! How can anyone say that? It is comparible to a road on hot summer days appearing wet, but not wet, which is a mirage. You may say the water(ignorance) on the road does not exist, but you can never ever say that the road(consciousness) doesn't exist. I refer to illusion and maya in this sense, and not in the sense of nothingness or 'does not exist' sense as I've heard it to be the point of Buddhism. I've heard it so, I don't know for sure and want you guys to tell me whether it is true.
Oh and Devotee, I've seen you use illusion like this-> The space between every atom or subatomic particles is 99.999999% free space and therefore the object such as a cup does not exist as it is nothing but free space. I've read this in one of Yajvanji's post, in science and religion forums. Your usage is somewhat doesn't convince the reader, especially me. What about the 0.000001%? I don't know in which context you were telling me. All the threads so far written by you has impressed me, but that one hadn't. Can you explain the context of your reference?
Can you guys please tell me where else the words 'maya' and 'illusion' are used and in which other senses and contexts?
Finally, I'd like to say
This world is not as we perceive it or we can call this world an illusion in the sense that it is not as we perceive it. If anyone says this world is an illusion in the sense that nothing exists, then I can't agree. It denies the existence of me and all.
Tell me your opinions..... Don't leave this thread stranded like 'open you third eye thread' Only Smaranam, NayaSurya and Eastern mind replied there. It is still :sleeping:.