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Atman
28 June 2010, 01:11 PM
Is it possible to reach a stage where one does not have wet dreams/erections? I heard that if one wants to reach samadhi even a wet dream is a break, I don't want to lose any semen, I hear it is very good for physical stength/energy.

Eastern Mind
28 June 2010, 01:21 PM
Vannakam Atman:

Here is a link you might find useful.

http://himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/virtue/IntroVirtue.html

Aum Namasivaya

Jogesh
28 June 2010, 01:27 PM
Being celibate is not for everyone and certainly reaching samadhi is not as simple as holding one's semen...

sambya
28 June 2010, 02:07 PM
Is it possible to reach a stage where one does not have wet dreams/erections? I heard that if one wants to reach samadhi even a wet dream is a break, I don't want to lose any semen, I hear it is very good for physical stength/energy.


finally someone in the forum who is keen on brahmacharya . best wishes to you bro !! :)

you know......... the easiest and perhaps also the most difficult ways to actually have a realization is through brahmacharya .

practicing unbroken brahmacharya for 12 years brings about the first realization . and as one withholds the semen the latent sexual energy gets converted to the spiritual energy -- ojas . this ojas open up the chakras for the final realization of self . however loss of semen in wet dreams is not considered to be potentially dangerous . it is usually viewed as a surplus . as one progresses in sadhana his conscious mind begins to clean up . as the conscious mind becomes clean , inpure thoughts from subconscious layers come up gradually which often manifests in dreams . this is a time when the person has to hold on to his sadhan steadfastly . slolwy the person will transcend this stage and his subconscious mind would become clean too . then begins his real journey to god .

though wet dreams are not a serious issue , in the advanced stages it can be controlled . continous brahmacharya for many years "switches off" the semen producing organs of the body . but that is a very high stage .....extremely difficult to achieve .

you can get bhava samadhis even with wet dreams . but if it is nirvikalpa that you are talking of , then perhaps even wet dreams is a big issue . but remember nirvikalpa is the highest stage ........ only a few man ever acheives it .

good luck with your spiritual journey ..................god bless always

Atman
06 July 2010, 08:22 AM
Thanks for the advice, why was he banned?

Visvamitra
30 August 2010, 05:09 PM
Doesn't the brachmacharya practice lend one to have sexual intercourse in order to procreate? In the Mahabharata Arjuna was supposed to be a brachmacharin for 12 years after coming upon Yudhisthira and Draupadi. How come he got married twice and engaged in sexual intercourse with the 3 women he met?

Believer
30 August 2010, 09:04 PM
Oh, what confused, frustrating, guilt-ridden years we go through, when we are young!

One's sexuality diminishes and is more controlled as one advances spiritually. You can't plug all your holes and then embark on a spiritual journey. The advancement on the path of spiritual journey comes first, and that enables you to control your thoughts and desires and dreams. There is no need on this God's earth to feel guilty about, or feel ashamed of wet dreams. It is a physiological phenomenon which happens to everyone in youth. Just focus on your spiritual growth. Everything else will take care of itself with time. So much is made of this natural happening in a young man's life, that life itself becomes unbearable. For heaven's sake, you are 'normal'. Don't kill yourself over a passing phase of your life.


practicing unbroken brahmacharya for 12 years brings about the first realization .

Yes, and if it lasts for 11 years and 364 days, you have to start all over again? :)
Sometimes, this kind of stuff makes me want to scream. If you are a natural born yogi destined for a great spiritual life, brahmcharya will be a natural thing for each and every day of your life. Else, just live your life and do the best. A single young person's life is so difficult even without all these encumbrances. Why make it so hard that the kid wants to commit suicide? Is anyone here really following what they are preaching?

Atman, you won't lose your energy and become weak if you have a wet dream. Just live!

Sahasranama
31 August 2010, 02:42 AM
You say it jokingly, but this is a specific form of tapasya to attain realisation. It's not for everyone. If a tapasya has been broken (tapo bhanga), the procedure has to start over again. In the puranas, Indra always tries to destroy the tapasya of rishis out of fear that they will conquer the heavens. Indra symbolises the mind, the mind is afraid it will lose controll over the self.

Swami Shivananda on brahmacharya:
http://www.dlshq.org/download/brahmacharya.htm

Kumar_Das
31 August 2010, 05:49 AM
Can we change our diet apart from what is prescribed in the scriptures? Like adding green tea and consuming only protein-less vegetables and fruits?

Sahasranama
31 August 2010, 07:00 AM
Do you mean during a fast?

Atman
31 August 2010, 11:37 AM
Doesn't the brachmacharya practice lend one to have sexual intercourse in order to procreate? In the Mahabharata Arjuna was supposed to be a brachmacharin for 12 years after coming upon Yudhisthira and Draupadi. How come he got married twice and engaged in sexual intercourse with the 3 women he met?

Arjuna was also able to defeat the celestials due to his brahmacharya. Bishma also was able to defeat Parasurama because of his strict vow in celibacy. Viswamitra was so powerful after 10 years of brahmacharya he could control the elements, but just one break caused his downfall, and he became a mortal man, I think a wet dream unfortunately also means one has to start his tapas all over again, so even if he is on the 11th year 364th day and has a wet dream he still breaks his brahmacharya, and then there is even higher brahmacharya like that of residents of Sada-shivaloka!!

Believer
31 August 2010, 11:49 AM
I would say, get your life together before thinking about exalted topics like brahamcharya. One has to inculcate a sense of discipline in his daily routine of puja and meditation and suppressing any negative thoughts before getting into high powered subjects. We always start at the bottom and then try to rise towards the top. We don't start at the top, unless we are some kind of gifted beings. Shashtric knowledge needs to be tempered with some common sense, otherwise it is all an esoteric discussion about illusionary/unattainable goals. As the younger generation says, "Get Real".

Arav
31 August 2010, 12:20 PM
I dont know if I would agree with Believer. If you are single, a teenager, and/or not married, you should be celibate. And celibacy is difficult, but with the grace of God you can do it. I would suggest keep your life very spiritual and do Sadhana. You can also do alot of Japa and things like that. If you feel aroused, chant, or do some spiritual practice. One thing that I found that can help is when you feel like sexual desires are arising, is to go on a walk and be out in nature and to get out of the house. Also, if you feel like it, you can do some exercises and deep breathing to calm the mind and the desires. Thats really all I can say on this subject.

Believer
31 August 2010, 03:21 PM
If you feel aroused, chant, or do some spiritual practice.

Right in the middle of a wet dream? ;)

Arav
31 August 2010, 03:25 PM
Right in the middle of a wet dream? ;)

I would also stop thinking like this. Constant worry about a wet dream will drill it into the subconscious mind and that can make wet dreams happen more often. Dont even think about wet dreams and if it happens, its ok move on. Keep on doing spiritual practice and concentrate only on that.

And with the Japa and arousel, I was talking about when awake, so in the conscious mind. First get rid of sex in the conscious mind and then purify your subconscious mind. Start at the surface and then move deeper.

Believer
31 August 2010, 04:22 PM
Constant worry about a wet dream will drill it into the subconscious mind and that can make wet dreams happen more often.

That was the topic that the original poster wanted to talk about. I did not start the thread.


Dont even think about wet dreams and if it happens, its ok move on. Keep on doing spiritual practice and concentrate only on that.
That is exactly what I have been saying all along. Don't dwell on it. Do your spiritual practices and things will take care of themselves.
I am glad we finally agree.

Arav
31 August 2010, 04:27 PM
That was the topic that the original poster wanted to talk about. I did not start the thread.

Then I ask them to stop focusing on wet dreams, because they are possibly pushing it into the subconscious.


That is exactly what I have been saying all along. Don't dwell on it. Do your spiritual practices and things will take care of themselves.
I am glad we finally agree.

Yes, so am I. :)

Believer
31 August 2010, 06:54 PM
Then I ask them to stop .....

Son, If something in this forum makes you uncomfortable, just move on. You are NOT required to express your 17 year old expert opinions on everything happening here. I would not want to tell people to stop discussing their problems - real or perceived. This is an open forum. It is just like your TV set, if you don't like a program, you switch the channels. You don't call the TV station and tell them to stop broadcasting something because it is offensive to you. Think about it. We all have to co-exist here. It is best to insulate yourself from topics you don't like, rather than getting upset and ordering people around.

Arav
31 August 2010, 06:56 PM
Son, If something in this forum makes you uncomfortable, just move on. You are NOT required to express your 17 year old expert opinions on everything happening here. I would not want to tell people to stop discussing their problems - real or perceived. This is an open forum. It is just like your TV set, if you don't like a program, you switch the channels. You don't call the TV station and tell them to stop broadcasting something because it is offensive to you. Think about it. We all have to co-exist here. It is best to insulate yourself from topics you don't like, rather than getting upset and ordering people around.

I am sorry that it is misinterpreted in this way. I will stop being apart of this thread so that this does not go any further. Again, I appologise.

rkpande
31 August 2010, 09:58 PM
one may look up prasna up.

Eastern Mind
01 September 2010, 01:16 PM
Son, If something in this forum makes you uncomfortable, just move on. You are NOT required to express your 17 year old expert opinions on everything happening here. I would not want to tell people to stop discussing their problems - real or perceived. This is an open forum. It is just like your TV set, if you don't like a program, you switch the channels. You don't call the TV station and tell them to stop broadcasting something because it is offensive to you. Think about it. We all have to co-exist here. It is best to insulate yourself from topics you don't like, rather than getting upset and ordering people around.


Vannakkam Believer: I believe knowledge comes from all sorts of people, regardless of gender, creed, age, country of living, etc. Personally, I must say I have learned more from some of the youngsters on here than from some of the oldsters. Similarly with the opposite gender than me. There is a lot to learn. One of the reasons is the younger people (chronologically) often ask very interesting questions, and know they don't know. Whereas, some of us old guys think we know everything and are set in our ways. So the youth bring a breath of fresh air to these forums some days.

I've seen others play the "I'm in India" card as well. "Therefore, I know more than you." or I was born a Hindu, therefore I know more than you." it certainly limits your ears to knowledge in my opinion. Chronological age (this lifetime only) is unrelated to spiritual age, unless you don't believe in reincarnation.

Aum Namasivaya

Believer
01 September 2010, 04:17 PM
Personally, I must say I have learned more from some of the youngsters on here than from some of the oldsters.

I see where you are coming from and I apologize the way I expressed myself.

What I wanted to emphasize was that this person had no right to dictate that the original poster should not be discussing such things in this forum. I am sure he would want you to not discuss about curse words also. Is that what we have come down to - to ask people to refrain from making posts about topics that we don't like or feel comfortable about? I sure hope not.

Arav
01 September 2010, 05:27 PM
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atanu
01 September 2010, 10:50 PM
What I wanted to emphasize was that this person had no right to dictate that the original poster should not be discussing such things in this forum. -----

namaste All

Surely there is a mistake of hasty reading.

Arav said: Then I ask them to stop focusing on wet dreams, because they are possibly pushing it into the subconscious.

I find no dictation to anyone to 'stop' in above statement of Arav.

I request that the original posts may be revisited to see the truth.
.....
I need not meddle into this. Only, I felt that a young chap (who truly is of son's age), should not feel dissapointed and retire hurt.

Om Namah Shivaya

Sahasranama
02 September 2010, 06:36 AM
Regarding old and young, I have noticed that young people are more willing to do some research and think intelligently about Hinduism. Older people are generally more complacent and stick to what they learned in their childhood. Young people are more willing to learn things that old people don't even want to think about.

Eastern Mind
02 September 2010, 06:50 AM
Vannakkam:

Way off topic here... but

The subconscious mind is like a ball of clay being molded into a particular shape. You press it a certain way over and over again, and it will eventually want to retain its shape. In other words it is less flexible. I believe the key to not allowing this to happen within oneself is to make a conscious effort to allow yourself a few new experiences over the years. in other words, purposefully go somewhere where your awareness gets moved. Such things a s travel, or reading a novel from a new (for you) genre can do it. Of course there are some things we don't want flexibility in, such as the topic of this thread, if that is our choice. Another is unfailing belief in divinity or whatever form we may wish it to be. Hiving an open minded discussion with an atheist may not help. http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Aum Namasivaya

Believer
02 September 2010, 01:25 PM
My sincere apologies to all, and specially to Arav.

Unintentionally, perhaps I have been too overbearing. I do not wish for anyone to get mad/discouraged and leave this forum.

Again, I am sorry!

NayaSurya
02 September 2010, 01:42 PM
Vannakkam:

Way off topic here... but.....


Having an open minded discussion with an atheist may not help. http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Aum Namasivaya


Of course this is right on topic.

We have two types of people here. One is going with the natural flow and the other is trying to "do something up in har ". (forgive the slang but it's right on.)


I am not a man, but I am a recovering sex addict with only two sexual partners my entire life. Both husbands...so I bet I have a lot more experience than most in controlling the animal. It's beated into submission by the being that is at the controlls.

Humans are habitual creatures as EM stated. We do something and think about it and...sure enough we get really used to it. It's comforting to us to have such rituals and routines. My beloved husband and I have a saying..."He's all root chakra".

The other day my son's room mate in college hit on me...in front of a crowd of my son's friends. Ick...he's very young and...ugh. But, I just smiled and ignored him...good grief.:rolleyes:

So, we are going home and beloved husband says "He's all root chakra."

Yep.

Over stimulated.

Now, for a couple such as we are...there's no holding off. Sure, there will be a time for such things...when one of us becomes physically unable...it would be a perfect opportunity to go for the higher goal. No viagra here...it will be accepted as the next phase in our relationship. So, for now...we do... happily. But, later...we won't.

There have been long long periods in my life when I was celibate. It only takes a few months of really working at it to shut those things off. They do go off.

Promise.

But, don't sweat the dreams. Just start back over the next day.

I am fasting for the next month and it's a lot like this problem you are having. I will give you this advice...if the thing which you are doing causes a hardship, then stop. If your body can handle the pressure...then by all means...carry on.

I wish you luck trying for such a lofty goal<3

yajvan
03 September 2010, 07:20 PM
hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~

namasté


what is this wet dream you talk of? I can think of pleasant ocean dreams.

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/9954/ocean_dream.jpg

Ashvati
04 September 2010, 06:05 AM
...Yajvan, you're awesome. Don't ever change.

Atman
07 September 2010, 08:16 AM
At least my waking state has been good so far- I am feeling less guilty, but am still getting over the amount of times I used to masturbate as a teenager. I think a big breakthrough will be necessary, and will get me (eventually) into samadhi.

Eric11235
16 September 2010, 08:10 PM
Vannakam Everybody,

I'm thinking of becoming a Brahmacharya. This may be a bit of a rash decision, but I'm starting to feel like the reason I've had so much trouble with women is because I was meant for a celibate lifestyle. But I digress. My real reason for possibly choosing to do this is so I can become in control of my senses and emotions. I feel I can commune with the divine much better if my mind isn't constantly focused on the act of sex. I am still on the fence, but the more I read about it the more it seems like the right choice, does anybody have anything to say regarding this? Any advice regarding this would be greatly appreciated. Also does it help being a virgin when first deciding the Brahmacharya path?

Namaste

Eastern Mind
16 September 2010, 09:52 PM
Vannakkam Eric:

Its not called the brahmacarya ashrama for nothing. Traditionally, Hindus don't sleep around and are brahmacarya until marriage. Living in the west isn't ideal for this because of the media bombardment to the contrary. If the monk path is chosen, then its a lifetime vow. I'm not sure if you meant until marriage, or as a consideration towards monasticism.

Best wishes either way. Here's a link to an on-line course/book on the topic: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/virtue/IntroVirtue.html


Aum Namasivaya

Believer
17 September 2010, 01:05 PM
I'm thinking of becoming a Brahmacharya. This may be a bit of a rash decision, but I'm starting to feel like the reason I've had so much trouble with women is because I was meant for a celibate lifestyle.

My real reason for possibly choosing to do this is so I can become in control of my senses and emotions. I feel I can commune with the divine much better if my mind isn't constantly focused on the act of sex.

The walls of Ashrams and Monasteries are not meant for people to hide behind. Becoming celibate is a decision which should not be taken lightly, and definitely not used as an artificial barrier to isolate oneself from the opposite sex, or as a means to exercise ego driven self control. So, the motivation for celibacy should be because of positive reasons and and not as a counterbalance to, or running away from, negative things happening in ones life.

Human mind always craves for pleasure. Only when there is a voluntary/desired replacement of pleasure derived from sense indulgences, by the ecstasy experienced from spiritual pursuit, does a person succeed in achieving and maintaining celibacy. Celibacy does not have to be a one step process. It could be gradual, as the sense pleasures are increasingly replaced by spiritual pleasures with the growth of ones god-consciousness. It all depends on the individual. So, while it is a desirable path for samadhi, only you can decide if you are ready for it now, or you want to phase into it gradually. What does you mind desire? What does your body crave for? Artificially shutting down pleasure sources without replacing them with alternate sources only creates tension/confusion/guilt.

Does this psycho-babble make any sense?

Atman
26 October 2010, 05:49 PM
I am motivated by the fact that the urdhavereta's bliss is literally more than a zillion times greater in quality and unlimited in quantity, that puts paid to the few seconds of sexual bliss when one has an orgasm, I want to put this theory into practice and see how well it works.

Harekrishnayoga
13 March 2012, 09:39 AM
dear friend,

You are aspiring a good goal.
I also know some guys who are practicing strict celibacy in down town mumbai, if you feel like you can see for more at their site. It is run by Radhanathswami (http://celibatemonk.com/)
I wish that you reach your desired goal.