yajvan
05 July 2010, 07:45 PM
hariḥ oṁ
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namasté
When one realizes brahman the upaniṣad-s say, 'those that know brahman become brahman' .
If this is so ( and I do not dispute this at all) , why are we still left in a physical frame, localized as if we were lokāyatin-s¹ ?
I have been taught that the frame remains due to leśāvidya .
leśa + avidya gives leśāvidya
leśa = a small part or portion , particle , atom , little bit or slight trace
avidya = ignorance Hence we remain in this frame due to the remains ( a small portion) of ignorance. Some small atomic part. Perhaps the awareness is perfect and stainless completely residing in the SELF/brahman, yet there are other parts perhaps that still infused with ignorance. What can this be? Where does this ignorance reside? What are the implications to this?
I look to your ideas and those based upon the śāstra-s, your instructions or keen insights if you wish to participate in this uttara¹ conversation.
praṇām
words
lokāyatin or lokāyata is composed of the following lokā +yata. We know this loka as 'that or the other world', a place or level.
Yet there is another definition for this meaning ordinary life , worldly affairs , and faculty of seeing , sight.
This seeing and sight is a macro way of saying the senses; yata means restrained , held in , held forth , kept down or limited , subdued , governed.
So a lokāyatin is one restrained, held or kept down by the senses.
uttara - better , excellent ~ advanced~ ; also known as northern , upper most.
~~~~~~
namasté
When one realizes brahman the upaniṣad-s say, 'those that know brahman become brahman' .
If this is so ( and I do not dispute this at all) , why are we still left in a physical frame, localized as if we were lokāyatin-s¹ ?
I have been taught that the frame remains due to leśāvidya .
leśa + avidya gives leśāvidya
leśa = a small part or portion , particle , atom , little bit or slight trace
avidya = ignorance Hence we remain in this frame due to the remains ( a small portion) of ignorance. Some small atomic part. Perhaps the awareness is perfect and stainless completely residing in the SELF/brahman, yet there are other parts perhaps that still infused with ignorance. What can this be? Where does this ignorance reside? What are the implications to this?
I look to your ideas and those based upon the śāstra-s, your instructions or keen insights if you wish to participate in this uttara¹ conversation.
praṇām
words
lokāyatin or lokāyata is composed of the following lokā +yata. We know this loka as 'that or the other world', a place or level.
Yet there is another definition for this meaning ordinary life , worldly affairs , and faculty of seeing , sight.
This seeing and sight is a macro way of saying the senses; yata means restrained , held in , held forth , kept down or limited , subdued , governed.
So a lokāyatin is one restrained, held or kept down by the senses.
uttara - better , excellent ~ advanced~ ; also known as northern , upper most.