I'm "leaving" hinduism

[Kumar_Das]

I don't think I can state the reasons here without getting banned.

Its not an insult on hinduism per se, but on hindus. And non-hindu assault on hindus/hinduism using covert means by infiltrating hindu religious ranks and destroying it inside out by the most humiliating means.

The main reason is hindus themselves accepting and participating in their humiliation.

I have the voice but I cannot speak because there is no "room" in the first place that would allow me to do so and the "people" to listen themselves wont even if I did.(see previous statement)

Its very hard for me. I cant explain like I said. Because Mr. Satay would ban me. And I would atleast like to leave decently.

I personally think, I am somewhat capable. But the avenues are all so slippery. And if I fall, I would be badly injured, and have permanent scars as a result that would spoil my entire life.

I think it takes a community to make a difference. One man alone - by myself, I cannot face the rest of the world. I would need support. But I dont think I should struggle for a people who cant stand up for themselves.

So anyways, thanks to all those who responded to my queries.

Bye

[amith vikram]

i dont know in what context you have posted this.but all i can say is,the site admin is hell bent on 'positive presentation of hindu dharma' and hence you can't blame hdf or satay.You have a goal of preserving hindus or resisting or counter-attacking the others or whatever. How can u do all this in a forum?

[Kumar_Das]

i dont know in what context you have posted this.but all i can say is,the site admin is hell bent on 'positive presentation of hindu dharma' and hence you can't blame hdf or satay.You have a goal of preserving hindus or resisting or counter-attacking the others or whatever. How can u do all this in a forum?

I am not "doing all this" on a forum.

Its a personal/real-life thing. Never mind anyways...

[satay]

namaskar,

Hmm...What's the context of this thread? You are leaving 'hinduism' because...?

[Madhuri]

Kumara Das, are you saying that you are leaving Hindu forums or actually rejecting the whole religion?

[upasaka]

In my short time here on these boards, I have been struck by the kindness and curiosity shown by the other participants. There probably are a few difficult people as it is impossible for a large group to assemble without a few trouble-makers in their midst. Still, it is unfortunate that you are upset with others. I do wish to repeat the question asked above me; are you saying you are leaving Hinduism or this forum? I noticed you put leaving in quotes, so it seems like something else may be going on. No matter what, I wish you luck.

[Sahasranama]

You can always be a Hindu at heart, no matter what people say or do. People are idiots. Don't make decisions about your personal beliefs on what other people are up to.

[Eastern Mind]

Vannakkam Kumar Das:

Best wishes with whatever path you choose, in mundane life, or in spiritual thought. Life moves along for all of us.

BTW, I still hope you get to Batu Caves again, if you want to.

Aum Namasivaya

[kallol]

Intersting thought "Leaving Hinduism"

Is it really possible ?

Though I might seem biased, but thought Hindusim encompasses all thought processes.

Yes the packaging or the culture can be different. But Hinduism ? I doubt.

So is it possible ?

Love and best wishes

[Eastern Mind]

Intersting thought "Leaving Hinduism"

Is it really possible ?

Though I might seem biased, but thought Hindusim encompasses all thought processes.

Yes the packaging or the culture can be different. But Hinduism ? I doubt.

So is it possible ?

Love and best wishes


Vannakkam kallol: I think it would be dependent on POV. Certainly if you ask a Christian who has worked hard to convert a brother Hindu, he would say that the converted one has left Hinduism.

But from other Hindus point of view, it may be impossible, because SD includes all of humanity.

I once read the following as a comparison. Christians draw a tiny box, and have 'us' inside, and all others (non-believers) outside the box. Whereas Hindus draw a circle around everyone, and have room for all.

Personally, I can see it as a side-track temporarily, but either in this lifetime of the next, or one hundred lifetimes from now, the soul will return to SD in some way.

Aum Namasivaya

[kallol]

Vannakkam kallol: I think it would be dependent on POV. Certainly if you ask a Christian who has worked hard to convert a brother Hindu, he would say that the converted one has left Hinduism.

But from other Hindus point of view, it may be impossible, because SD includes all of humanity.

I once read the following as a comparison. Christians draw a tiny box, and have 'us' inside, and all others (non-believers) outside the box. Whereas Hindus draw a circle around everyone, and have room for all.

Personally, I can see it as a side-track temporarily, but either in this lifetime of the next, or one hundred lifetimes from now, the soul will return to SD in some way.

Aum Namasivaya

Thanks EM. Precisely the same point I had.

vanakkam. Though bengali, I am based in Chennai.

Love and best wishes

[Onkara]

I agree with you, EM and Kallol :)
In general and no way targeted negatively at the OP, are we then denying our destiny with the idea that we are somehow leaving Sanatana Dharma? It would seem so to me. It seems the idea occurs to my ego (ahankarah) that I will do something else or follow a different path, but once the idea is forgotten I found myself back on track.

I have often found that despite attraction that other philosophy and non-dharmic religions hold, something which i would call destiny, brings me back to Sanatana Dharma. I believe that is not desire. Perhaps others can relate to something similar?

[kallol]

I agree with you, EM and Kallol :)
In general and no way targeted negatively at the OP, are we then denying our destiny with the idea that we are somehow leaving Sanatana Dharma? It would seem so to me. It seems the idea occurs to my ego (ahankarah) that I will do something else or follow a different path, but once the idea is forgotten I found myself back on track.

I have often found that despite attraction that other philosophy and non-dharmic religions hold, something which i would call destiny, brings me back to Sanatana Dharma. I believe that is not desire. Perhaps others can relate to something similar?

I would say fitment of self (state of mind). It is like a motel on the spiritual journey. We meet then move on differently according to our capability. Some is distracted by something, some slow, some lazy, some active, some focussed, some in new found enlightenment, some clear of confusion, etc. These are all fitment of mind states.

Now the mind state has many components out of which ego is one.

But the journey is on.

Love and best wishes

[Onkara]

I would say fitment of self (state of mind). It is like a motel on the spiritual journey. We meet then move on differently according to our capability. Some is distracted by something, some slow, some lazy, some active, some focussed, some in new found enlightenment, some clear of confusion, etc. These are all fitment of mind states.

Now the mind state has many components out of which ego is one.

But the journey is on.

Love and best wishes

Hi Kallol, thanks for the reply. My observation based on the teaching of Sankhya by Lord Krishna in the Gita is that the mind is prakriti, and so material. So if I assume my destiny is determined by my mind (or a fitment of mind), I am in a sense saying that my spiritual journey is determined by Prakriti. This leads me to an interesting position, as I could then say it is my Karma and nothing more which guides me as my Karma follows prakriti and its consituents. If this is so then any faith or path is possible it may seem, regardless of my genetics, education or choice?

[NayaSurya]

I agree with you, EM and Kallol :)
In general and no way targeted negatively at the OP, are we then denying our destiny with the idea that we are somehow leaving Sanatana Dharma? It would seem so to me. It seems the idea occurs to my ego (ahankarah) that I will do something else or follow a different path, but once the idea is forgotten I found myself back on track.

I have often found that despite attraction that other philosophy and non-dharmic religions hold, something which i would call destiny, brings me back to Sanatana Dharma. I believe that is not desire. Perhaps others can relate to something similar?


Such a wonderful thought.

~

Just as we, who are born into an ocean of adharmic behaviors/ religions would also find ourself upon the stream of SD without knowing our location. It was not desire that brought us here, it was our fate.

We look up and realize we are far removed from our place of origin in this lifetime...ask the brother next to us...

"What place is this that I have come?"

He replies: "you are in the loving arms of the Beloved...welcome to the Truth of Sanatana Dharma. Welcome home."

Sometimes it may take years to get that location verified...our internal compass is spinning like a top.

But, ultimately we know it as home.

I do believe there are lessons you could learn as a christian...places you would never see, understand or experience without that sort of narrow upbringing.

When I was born, the window of my life only had a small place to see out. The rest, clouded by ignorance...

Slowly, over my life some of this has been removed so that I can see a better portion.

But, if I started with the clean window I would surely not understand this place of confusion and ignorance as I do from this birth.

I also do not take this precious bit of clarity I have found for granted...I remember the place of such narrow view and I never will go back.

One who never knew pain, never felt the wonder of when pain recedes.

In that moment, free of pain...it seems wonderful...though to the others who have never experienced pain, would only know this state as feeling normal.

To the one finally free of pain...it is bliss.

I felt pain, great ignorance...narrow angles of my vision afflicted me.
Now, the pain relieved a bit...I know bliss.

I know the direction of that bliss is SD.

It is not to say.... that there are not other forces are out there trying desperately to impede our progress. Call them Asura...call them christian missionaries...call them mother in laws. :p

In my life I have felt these forces slowing me. Sometimes, as I traveled down this stream it became completely blocked by the things which were thrown at me.

But, as with all things, it is short lived...and you can navigate through the rough spots. It takes work, effort...but it's not impossible.

Be there for those whom have been impeded by doubts of other religions. Be there for those who have a great blockage before them on their path.

One day you may find yourself impeded and others will come along and help you clear the way. This forum is a place of such things.

[kallol]

Thanks NS on the elaboration. Yes as you pointed out there will be impediment and other views. But training the mind on the truth keeps it going - irrespective of time space and society. Need is to feed the intellect with right knowledge and direction. And keep the intellect above the mind.

SD is an reinvention of the TRUTH which we do time and again with each creation. That TRUTH window is partially opened in varying degree by different Gurus like Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed.

Luckily in India it was a a compilation of several such partial openings and that is why we have the full view of the TRUTH.

Love and best wishes

[kallol]

Hi Kallol, thanks for the reply. My observation based on the teaching of Sankhya by Lord Krishna in the Gita is that the mind is prakriti, and so material. So if I assume my destiny is determined by my mind (or a fitment of mind), I am in a sense saying that my spiritual journey is determined by Prakriti. This leads me to an interesting position, as I could then say it is my Karma and nothing more which guides me as my Karma follows prakriti and its consituents. If this is so then any faith or path is possible it may seem, regardless of my genetics, education or choice?


That is why it is SD and the LCM of all beliefs !!!

It is only karma which moves the mind (by conditioning it) from the finite to infinite from prakriti to purusha. From external to internal to beyond. From temporary to permanent. From the cycle to liberation. This is the rule.

It is the knowledge of the purusha and prakriti, their rules and interactions - which once understood and assimilated - one reaches the state of bliss and kaivalya.

It is independent of anything. It is the absolute.

The books, the gurus, etc say this in many ways.

That is why in hinduism, Karma and Mind are the big factors.

Love and best wishes

[Onkara]

That is why it is SD and the LCM of all beliefs !!!

It is only karma which moves the mind (by conditioning it) from the finite to infinite from prakriti to purusha. From external to internal to beyond. From temporary to permanent. From the cycle to liberation. This is the rule.

It is the knowledge of the purusha and prakriti, their rules and interactions - which once understood and assimilated - one reaches the state of bliss and kaivalya.

It is independent of anything. It is the absolute.

The books, the gurus, etc say this in many ways.

That is why in hinduism, Karma and Mind are the big factors.

Love and best wishes
Hi Kallol
That is good :)
What does the abbreviation LCM stand for?

[MahaHrada]

Hi Kallol
That is good :)
What does the abbreviation LCM stand for?

Lutheran Church Ministry :)

Obviously since: Quote: " That TRUTH window is partially opened in varying degree by different Gurus like Jesus..and Mohammed."

[kallol]

Lutheran Church Ministry :)

:D

It can be also Lowest Common Multiple (of all possible beliefs)

;)

[NayaSurya]

I'm thinking we must have a different idea about what Truth is. Because, I can not see the man known as mohamed dwelled anywhere near the Truth...in any form.

He created his own. When one creates their own reality, backed by selfish desires...you get what we have now. Places where I could not even walk into a grocery store to buy food alone...I would have to be escorted by my own 10 year old son...because even he, has a higher status than I. That is not to say some watery truths don't exist in his version...but why settle for water when you can have the pure milk.

I won't get into the attrocities his words have caused.

To even put islam and SD together in the same sentence, it would have only one purpose...as night and day.

[MahaHrada]

:D

It can be also Lowest Common Multiple (of all possible beliefs)

;)

Yeah well... Lowest and most common, Mohammed and Jesus would agree.

[kallol]

I'm thinking we must have a different idea about what Truth is. Because, I can not see the man known as mohamed dwelled anywhere near the Truth...in any form.

He created his own. When one creates their own reality, backed by selfish desires...you get what we have now. Places where I could not even walk into a grocery store to buy food alone...I would have to be escorted by my own 10 year old son...because even he, has a higher status than I. That is not to say some watery truths don't exist in his version...but why settle for water when you can have the pure milk.

I won't get into the attrocities his words have caused.

To even put islam and SD together in the same sentence, it would have only one purpose...as night and day.


Dear NS,

It is the varying range of the partial opening of the window of TRUTH. This is there in all that is why you have a portion of good and a portion of bad in varying degree in all.

Even a criminal is a lover and a father.

So every one is above the zero level moving towards the infinite. The greatness of Hinduism which is much above the zero level is to encompass all below it.

The people may be right from above zero to infinite, even in hinduism and inspite of it. It is similar is all religion but ofcourse with varying degree.

So let us not get bogged down by the politics or packaging part of the knowledge but the spirituality part of it.

Packaging changes with time, space and society. Hinduism is culturally adapted to it. Unluckily Christianity and particularly Islam is not so adaptive. They are still stcuk with the old packages.

We also have - caste, creed, traditions, gotras, etc. Plenty of these packages need to be redefined - who will bell the cat ?

Honor killings, dowry death, wife burning, caste killing, untouchability, etc plagues our society also.

So let us try to stick to the spirituality part only

Love and best wishes

[Onkara]

Dear Kallol and NS
I quite agree. One can come to see and understand through the wisdom of Santana Dharma. I pray that we can learn to see God in Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist and Hindu alike. For a leader to lead they must first show the world that their love can not be distracted or polluted by negative thought.