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redrobin
18 August 2010, 06:33 PM
Hello to All, Pranaam to the elders,

What are the effects of neech bhanga and when does it become a rajyoga? My Venus is in the Lagna of Kanya. Ju is in 10th house aspected by Moon from 4th house. Lagnesh Me, is in 12th house of Leo yuti Surya. So whether seen from Moon or Lagna, there seems to be neech bhanga?
I was also told that rajyoga occurs only if deb planet is in kendra and dispositor of neech planet is uccha/ mooltrikona, or deb planet is either vakri or aspected by another deb planet? I am really confused. Do I have a raj yoga or not? What does it imply?

Please shed some light

RR

redrobin
18 August 2010, 06:35 PM
double post

yajvan
19 August 2010, 12:48 PM
hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~

namasté


It is best to first understand the terms so the reader will have an appreciation of what nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga is about.

nīca - low, debilitated; it also means humble
bhaṅga - breaking , splitting , dividing , shattering , breaking down
rāja - a king , sovereign , chief or best of its kind ; note this is not raja which is the pollen of flowers , dust, and can also be emotion , affection as in the quality of passion as found in rajas
yoga - union, combination, joining

We need to start with rāja yoga - what is this? There are various combinations ( yoga-s) that are formed by the graha-s ( some spell grāha¹), literally 100's are possible.
Say the sun and mercury are together, a union is created and a specific ravi yoga is formed. Yet what makes a union rāja or best?

In any chart śrī viṣṇu owns ( some says sits) in quadrants or kendra-s ( 1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th houses) and śrī lakṣmī sits in the trines ( trikona) 1st, 5th and 9th.
When viṣṇu and lakṣmī combine or are associated with each other a rāja yoga occurs. That still is 'jyotish speak', what is this 'associated'? When those rulers of kendra-s & trines become connected in some way, combine, co-mingle, etc. then this rāja yoga occurs. For me there are 3 important associations:

Two graha-s are conjoined - say the ruler of the 9th house ( a trine) sits with and is resident with the 10th house lord ( a kendra) , we then have a rāja yoga.
Two graha-s aspect or 'see' each other there is a rāja yoga i.e. one graha is in the 1st house the other is in the 7th house.
Two graha-s exchange signs i.e. the 4th lord is in the 5th house and the 5th house lord is in the 4th house. This is called parivartana or 'exchange' , the turning around, inverting, and it is also protecting and defending.

This then is a good base-line to continue this idea of nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga in the next post.

Others are welcome to add their understanding of this yoga as they see fit.

praṇām

words

graha - a planet ; 'anything seized ' as seizing or influencing the actions of man-kind and for those beings with births on this good earth.

redrobin
19 August 2010, 04:10 PM
Could an rasi aspect also qualify as aspect, or is it only graha dristi?
Thanks, RR

yajvan
19 August 2010, 05:39 PM
hariḥ oṁ
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namasté redrobin



Could an rasi aspect also qualify as aspect, or is it only graha dristi? Thanks, RR


The answer to you question resides in the bṛhat parāśara hora śāstra , 41st chapter. Perhaps you ( or others) can do some research there and come back with an opinion on this matter?

We know various associations can occur for a yoga to happen:

by sight and by sign - i.e. graha dṛśi and rāśi dṛśi ( sounds like drishti)
By exchange - parivartana
By being in each others nakṣatra
By conjunction - being in the same rāśi
Also, karāka-s can be part of this association - We see some of thses in chapter 42 of the bṛhat parāśara hora śāstra.

The question - how do rāja yoga's form ? The answer will not influence the out come of nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga.

prāṇan

yajvan
19 August 2010, 08:27 PM
hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~

namaste

Let's look at this nīca bhaṅga ...



nīca - low, debilitated, humble
bhaṅga - breaking , splitting , dividing , shattering , breaking down
rāja - a king , sovereign , chief or best of its kind ; note this is not raja which is the pollen of flowers , dust, and can also be emotion , affection L. (http://javascript<b></b>:winls(): the quality of passion as found in rajas
yoga - union, combination, joining

The ancient jyotiṣa's brilliantly selected this word nīca. It suggests fallen or lower, or humbled. Yet note if they wished to say powerless they could have said aśakta - unable; incompetent. So this nīca graha still has ability but not the same as if it were in another rāśi (sign). Just a note that this nīca position is 180º away from its ucca position.

And we know bhaṅga is breaking or shattering. For this use, it is breaking the fallen position of the graha and we call it nīca-bhaṅga. It removes the blemish of this fallen graha.

How does this occur in the chart? We will review this in the next post.


praṇām

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ucca - height, apex of a graha, some call exalted location.

yajvan
20 August 2010, 11:57 AM
hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~

namasté

Lets take an one example of this nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga and use śani ( Saturn) as an example. Where is śani in nīca (debility) ? In Aries. For this example śani will remain in Aries, in nīca.

And in what sign is śani in ucca ( exaltation) ? In Libra. Who is the owner of the rāśi (sign) in which śani would be exalted (ucca) ?
That would be śukra or Venus. For śani to have it's nīca (debility) broken or removed, śukra or Venus must reside in its ucca position that is a kendra ( 1st, 4th, 7th or 10th ) counted from the lagna ( ascendent) or from the moon position. This then fulfills nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga , and śani is now in a rāja yoga condition.


One must immediately ask, where is śukra exalted? In Pisces and its deepest exaltation occurs at 27º Pisces. So, one can work backwards and see where the lagna or moon must be for śani's nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga to occur.

That is a 'clean view' of this concept, yet in jyotish there are always riders, conditions, exceptions i.e. what if śukra aspects śani? What of the graha that owns Aries ( Mars) , what role does it play? What about the Sun? The Sun is exalted in Aries , and what if it resides in a kendra? What of other graha's that may reside with śani in Aries ? Does it matter if śani is the owner of a kendra ? Is this a requirement?

What if śani is in exaltation in the D9 ( navamśa) chart? How does this occur ? It must be in Aries between 20º to 23.20 º degrees in Aries in the D1 chart for this to occur. And nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga occurs.
Can nīca bhaṅga occur and yet not cause a rāja yoga ? (yes).

All these questions and even more becomes part of one's study and review.

And when will this nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga bear fruit?

praṇām

redrobin
22 August 2010, 04:09 PM
What are the riders when considering NBY? Is there something like 50% or 75% or 100% rajyaga? That's what is available info on the internet. Also, does this happen only in Rasi chart or other Vargas too?

Thanks, RR

yajvan
22 August 2010, 07:05 PM
hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~

namaste redrobin



What are the riders when considering NBY? Is there something like 50% or 75% or 100% rajyaga? That's what is available info on the internet. Also, does this happen only in Rasi chart or other Vargas too? Thanks, RR

There are many riders. They are offered to suggest the strength and/or purity of nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga . Probably best to get a few books on yoga's overall and then dive in. You mention one , that is the aspect's strengh ( 25%, 50%, 75% and 100%).


And when will this nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga bear fruit? We look to the dāśa periods for help. We look specifically to the houses the nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga includes. This is the hint as to which system use.


praṇām

1. dāśa - not sure if this is the proper spelling; Yet we're talking of time period systems such as uḍu ( a lunar mansion or constellation ) based systems or rāśi based systems. Based upon dās 'to give'.

redrobin
22 August 2010, 09:00 PM
Thank you, Yajvanji

Laalu
07 September 2015, 01:45 AM
I know this is an old post, but
I can show you a case where this qualifies, but I have yet to see a RajaYoga occur.

Moon in Scorpio. Venus in Taurus (lagna) so Venus is in kendra from both Moon and Lagna.
Mars (dispositor of Moon) in Aries, so it has graha drishti on Moon.

Moon is in Kendra, aspected by Venus and Mars so it is a case of neechabhanga. Could well be a neechabhanga rajayoga by that definition, however I would say that while there is a neechabhanga in some ways (sunny, positive outlook and compassion/strength exist, along with worship of the divine Mother, though Sun and Mercury are also in lagna, AND saturn aspects so whos to say whos causing what), I cannot (yet) see a tangible Rajayoga here.. or perhaps a strong mind really is the Rajayoga :)






hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~

namast&#233;

Lets take an one example of this nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga and use śani ( Saturn) as an example. Where is śani in nīca (debility) ? In Aries. For this example śani will remain in Aries, in nīca.

And in what sign is śani in ucca ( exaltation) ? In Libra. Who is the owner of the rāśi (sign) in which śani would be exalted (ucca) ?
That would be śukra or Venus. For śani to have it's nīca (debility) broken or removed, śukra or Venus must reside in its ucca position that is a kendra ( 1st, 4th, 7th or 10th ) counted from the lagna ( ascendent) or from the moon position. This then fulfills nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga , and śani is now in a rāja yoga condition.


One must immediately ask, where is śukra exalted? In Pisces and its deepest exaltation occurs at 27&#186; Pisces. So, one can work backwards and see where the lagna or moon must be for śani's nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga to occur.

That is a 'clean view' of this concept, yet in jyotish there are always riders, conditions, exceptions i.e. what if śukra aspects śani? What of the graha that owns Aries ( Mars) , what role does it play? What about the Sun? The Sun is exalted in Aries , and what if it resides in a kendra? What of other graha's that may reside with śani in Aries ? Does it matter if śani is the owner of a kendra ? Is this a requirement?

What if śani is in exaltation in the D9 ( navamśa) chart? How does this occur ? It must be in Aries between 20&#186; to 23.20 &#186; degrees in Aries in the D1 chart for this to occur. And nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga occurs.
Can nīca bhaṅga occur and yet not cause a rāja yoga ? (yes).

All these questions and even more becomes part of one's study and review.

And when will this nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga bear fruit?

praṇām

Rohiniranjan
10 November 2015, 04:12 PM
I know this is an old post, but
I can show you a case where this qualifies, but I have yet to see a RajaYoga occur.

Moon in Scorpio. Venus in Taurus (lagna) so Venus is in kendra from both Moon and Lagna.
Mars (dispositor of Moon) in Aries, so it has graha drishti on Moon.

Moon is in Kendra, aspected by Venus and Mars so it is a case of neechabhanga. Could well be a neechabhanga rajayoga by that definition, however I would say that while there is a neechabhanga in some ways (sunny, positive outlook and compassion/strength exist, along with worship of the divine Mother, though Sun and Mercury are also in lagna, AND saturn aspects so whos to say whos causing what), I cannot (yet) see a tangible Rajayoga here.. or perhaps a strong mind really is the Rajayoga :)

Perhaps the two should be separated? Cancellation (bhanga) of debility (Neecha-bhanga) need not automatically make the blemished planets into king-makers (raj-yoga)...? In modern context raja-yoga usually simply means situations of power, generally over other people who are in the nativity's care. The implications, naturally vary with the location/community etc of the nativity (desh kal etc) which must be taken into account.

More intriguing is VRY and different too since the classical tenets of raj-yoga do not seem to be necessary! :-)

bhaswathy
10 November 2015, 10:36 PM
Dear friends ,
What goes by textual results , need not necessarily agree to the actual experience . When a planet gets neechabhan ga and it is sufficiently strong , the results are experienced during the period of the planet which gives the bhanga and the results offered by the planet which has that yoga . MAny cases I had seen that yoga materialises when the transits are good along with the dasa and anthardasas.Thus the actual fructification needs many factors .Here I am talking about the actual fructification of the best of the yoga and not just trace.

Laalu
11 November 2015, 11:07 AM
Namaste Sir,

I am not greedy, I don't mind a neecha bhanga sans raja yoga :-) But I would like to confirm that the neecha Chandra (even though it has strong neecha bhanga) has given me tremendous difficulties in the physical/material plane. The mind is strong and positive (Chandra being significator of the moon) but still prone to Saturns influence... but sitting in the Kalatra Bhava, it has never brought me close to any kind of long term partnership or business opportunity. I have struggled with both those areas despite having a nice strong unaspected 7th lord and strong Venus. So I always wonder when I hear about Neecha Bhangas, forget raja yogas.

That said, Yajvan jis explanation has been the most comprehensive one I have seen so far.

Thank you all for your guidance.

Best regards
Laalu





Perhaps the two should be separated? Cancellation (bhanga) of debility (Neecha-bhanga) need not automatically make the blemished planets into king-makers (raj-yoga)...? In modern context raja-yoga usually simply means situations of power, generally over other people who are in the nativity's care. The implications, naturally vary with the location/community etc of the nativity (desh kal etc) which must be taken into account.

More intriguing is VRY and different too since the classical tenets of raj-yoga do not seem to be necessary! :-)

Rohiniranjan
14 November 2015, 10:02 AM
Namaste Sir,

I am not greedy, I don't mind a neecha bhanga sans raja yoga :-) But I would like to confirm that the neecha Chandra (even though it has strong neecha bhanga) has given me tremendous difficulties in the physical/material plane. The mind is strong and positive (Chandra being significator of the moon) but still prone to Saturns influence... but sitting in the Kalatra Bhava, it has never brought me close to any kind of long term partnership or business opportunity. I have struggled with both those areas despite having a nice strong unaspected 7th lord and strong Venus. So I always wonder when I hear about Neecha Bhangas, forget raja yogas.

That said, Yajvan jis explanation has been the most comprehensive one I have seen so far.

Thank you all for your guidance.

Best regards
Laalu


I am happy for you, Laalu ji!
Jyotish, usually learnt as any other technical subject is imbibed in a sequential manner and so we often see folks focussing on one factor at a time. Be it some yoga, arishta, a specific planetary placement, etc. In reality, though, all those factors coexist and act (indicate) in real life situations together. Something we all should always keep in mind when applying jyotish. In fact there are experienced folks who vehemently oppose co-utilizing the so-called Parashari perspective/framework with the so called Jaimini attributes. It is as if the same planet wears two different hats or has a split personality? That sounds a bit unrealistic if not unreasonable? It is true that a beginner could become confused particularly if the results due to the two facets are pointing in opposite directions. But ultimately one must remember that the neecha-bhanga for instance would need a consideration other than the binary (cancellation = 0 or cancellation = 1) one that some utilize.

Lot of folks, understandably tend to get elated when they see a good yoga in their chart or begin to feel as 'damaged goods' when they see a negative combination in charts, but ultimately -- if we believe in the supremacy of the karma conceptualization and view the lifetime as a means of learning and growth, then the positives as well as the negatives must be treated and really accepted as having an educational-heuristical purpose. We should not get stuck by or ignore either! An A+ student cannot afford to rest on his/her laurels; likewise, a C- learner must see negativities and lacunae as an area to focus on, make an effort in so that the scores improve with future score-cards (birth horoscopes in subsequent birthtimes).

Regards,

Rohiniranjan

Laalu
14 November 2015, 11:47 AM
Beautifully said, sir. Thank you.
I started studying Jyotish because of a sequential offender (my mum) :) who constantly thought my debilitated moon was a thing of worry. She has not formally studied jyotisha. But she knows this one dangerous piece of info that neecha = debilitated.
I am here today solely because I heard this so much through my childhood , I was determined to prove her wrong. Haha! Silly innocent me. An astrologer at the time explained to her that a strong Shukra, a strong Sun, all give much strength to the moon. And with that little hint on looking at the whole picture, I was drawn into trying to watch the whole movie.
While I started studying to quell her fears, it proved to be more fascinating than a source for answers on things like jobs and marriages (those are still quite fascinating to me, as I wonder idly, now that I am planning to start a business venture) if my neecha graha is going to trouble me more. But ones own evolution changes so much with time, and dashas! that these things do eventually matter less.
I am presenting this case here for other people who are trying to understand neecha grahas.
I have made my peace with my beloved moon, and will defend the nakshtra Anuradha for life :)
Pranaams.







I am happy for you, Laalu ji!
Jyotish, usually learnt as any other technical subject is imbibed in a sequential manner and so we often see folks focussing on one factor at a time. Be it some yoga, arishta, a specific planetary placement, etc. In reality, though, all those factors coexist and act (indicate) in real life situations together. Something we all should always keep in mind when applying jyotish. In fact there are experienced folks who vehemently oppose co-utilizing the so-called Parashari perspective/framework with the so called Jaimini attributes. It is as if the same planet wears two different hats or has a split personality? That sounds a bit unrealistic if not unreasonable? It is true that a beginner could become confused particularly if the results due to the two facets are pointing in opposite directions. But ultimately one must remember that the neecha-bhanga for instance would need a consideration other than the binary (cancellation = 0 or cancellation = 1) one that some utilize.

Lot of folks, understandably tend to get elated when they see a good yoga in their chart or begin to feel as 'damaged goods' when they see a negative combination in charts, but ultimately -- if we believe in the supremacy of the karma conceptualization and view the lifetime as a means of learning and growth, then the positives as well as the negatives must be treated and really accepted as having an educational-heuristical purpose. We should not get stuck by or ignore either! An A+ student cannot afford to rest on his/her laurels; likewise, a C- learner must see negativities and lacunae as an area to focus on, make an effort in so that the scores improve with future score-cards (birth horoscopes in subsequent birthtimes).

Regards,

Rohiniranjan