TatTvamAsi
21 November 2010, 12:37 AM
Since Satay closed the other thread, I wanted to reply to Sahasranama's post.
You first said:
I am not specifically talking about brahmins, but about all Hindus who have done upanayana sanskaar.
Your subsequent posts were directed towards Brahmins as you said:
I'd bet that the same people who are so vocal about being a brahmin are not doing Sandhya Vandana. In the devi bhagavatam it is said that the dvija who doesn't know how to perform Sandhya and does not perform it, he will be a shudra during his life and will reincarnate as a dog. Similar quotes can be found in every purana or smriti. I always ask people "how is your sandhya vandana going?" when they brag about being brahmins, even my own uncles..
What's the point of this? You go around asking your "uncles" "how their Sandhya Vandhanam is going"? :headscratch: What purpose does this solve?
In all fairness, you were trying to make a point about many Hindus who are forgetting their traditions and that irks you. Fine. However, there's a way to put it in perspective; specifically, your perspective.
And, you said you "believe jesus never existed and is "irrelevant". I completely agree with the irrelevant part, yet, the way you, and some other so-called "Hindus" on this forum, denigrated Sai Baba is shameful to the say the least. So, in contrast, you did put that jesus on a pedestal. That was my point. You needn't glorify that rotten persona non-grata jesus in order to put him on a pedestal.
You also said:
but for a westerner the chanting is not too bad. I am not posting a thread about them, because I don't care enough about them. But I care about Hindus forgetting their traditions.
Since we're talking about traditions, how come this blatant transgression of mlecchas chanting the Vedas gets no mention? You don't care about "them"? Whom? Those people or the traditions? Let us be equitable in our criticism is my point. A Brahmin forgetting to do his SandhyaVandhanam is nothing compared to the desecration of the Vedas in that video. And, that is just a small example.
Yes, there are many so-called Brahmins who probably eat meat, drink, and sleep with prostitutes. However, those are exceptions. And, it is fashionable, nowadays, in India and elsewhere, to use these exceptions to denigrate the whole group. That is what I took umbrage to.
Furthermore, you also stated:
Why don't you contact the people on the video you have posted? What can I do about it?
Why should I contact them? I am not the one complaining about Brahmins losing their traditions and values. Furthermore, that video was sent to me by a friend and we had a good laugh; as always! ;)
Last but not least, you said:
Did I make you angry with my post? You are not the first person I have made angry when I said something about Sandhya Vandana. It seems to be a sensitive topic. I have no idea why.
I'm not "angry" with you. Your post was dense so I posted a reply. The funny thing is, you presume to lump Brahmins into one group due to your limited exposure to them. My experience has been diametrically opposed to yours. Who's right? The lesson here is none of us is right or wrong. We can only focus on our strengths and progress towards learning more about Tat.
Peace.
You first said:
I am not specifically talking about brahmins, but about all Hindus who have done upanayana sanskaar.
Your subsequent posts were directed towards Brahmins as you said:
I'd bet that the same people who are so vocal about being a brahmin are not doing Sandhya Vandana. In the devi bhagavatam it is said that the dvija who doesn't know how to perform Sandhya and does not perform it, he will be a shudra during his life and will reincarnate as a dog. Similar quotes can be found in every purana or smriti. I always ask people "how is your sandhya vandana going?" when they brag about being brahmins, even my own uncles..
What's the point of this? You go around asking your "uncles" "how their Sandhya Vandhanam is going"? :headscratch: What purpose does this solve?
In all fairness, you were trying to make a point about many Hindus who are forgetting their traditions and that irks you. Fine. However, there's a way to put it in perspective; specifically, your perspective.
And, you said you "believe jesus never existed and is "irrelevant". I completely agree with the irrelevant part, yet, the way you, and some other so-called "Hindus" on this forum, denigrated Sai Baba is shameful to the say the least. So, in contrast, you did put that jesus on a pedestal. That was my point. You needn't glorify that rotten persona non-grata jesus in order to put him on a pedestal.
You also said:
but for a westerner the chanting is not too bad. I am not posting a thread about them, because I don't care enough about them. But I care about Hindus forgetting their traditions.
Since we're talking about traditions, how come this blatant transgression of mlecchas chanting the Vedas gets no mention? You don't care about "them"? Whom? Those people or the traditions? Let us be equitable in our criticism is my point. A Brahmin forgetting to do his SandhyaVandhanam is nothing compared to the desecration of the Vedas in that video. And, that is just a small example.
Yes, there are many so-called Brahmins who probably eat meat, drink, and sleep with prostitutes. However, those are exceptions. And, it is fashionable, nowadays, in India and elsewhere, to use these exceptions to denigrate the whole group. That is what I took umbrage to.
Furthermore, you also stated:
Why don't you contact the people on the video you have posted? What can I do about it?
Why should I contact them? I am not the one complaining about Brahmins losing their traditions and values. Furthermore, that video was sent to me by a friend and we had a good laugh; as always! ;)
Last but not least, you said:
Did I make you angry with my post? You are not the first person I have made angry when I said something about Sandhya Vandana. It seems to be a sensitive topic. I have no idea why.
I'm not "angry" with you. Your post was dense so I posted a reply. The funny thing is, you presume to lump Brahmins into one group due to your limited exposure to them. My experience has been diametrically opposed to yours. Who's right? The lesson here is none of us is right or wrong. We can only focus on our strengths and progress towards learning more about Tat.
Peace.