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Kumar_Das
29 December 2010, 03:27 AM
Recently while trying to learn more about Lord Ganesha, I was watching videos on youtube. Especially those animated stories from the scriptures.

I was annoyed by the constant and numerous comments by Musalmans saying their usual garbage "la ilaha ilallah, wa Muhammadar rasoolallah" plaguing the comment section of those videos.:mad:

Honestly I can't care for these lowly and stupid scum. But I have noticed for a very long time that for sullahs and christians it seems, their favourite target to insult, is my Beloved and All-Auspicious Lord.

I have seen christians insulting Lord Ganesha as an Elephant, our religion as unholy and absurd and we, Hindus, as misguided and by doing so boost and introduce their religion - A religion centred around the worshipping of some pariah Joo. An impotent corpse on a cross!

So here I would like to demonstrate that these sullahs, who worship Muhammad and his psycho phantom Allah, really are worshipping Lord Ganesha when they are worshipping the "true God" and have to look to us Hindus for them to be educated.



Amongst the names of Allah, one is 'the Opener' or Al-Fattah in Arabic.

This name of Allah and the commentaries, explanation and further contributions made by Muslim scholars of it seem that Muslims are ending up in conclusion similar to the understanding of Shri Ganesha.



it is fascinating to note that the expert of Muslims who are deeply respected and whose works are treasured and the pride of the Ummah(Muslim world), being Muslims as they are, supposedly non-idolators, come up with physical explanations of Allah Himself and His actions for the understanding of the supposed name.:D

this name; "the Opener" is taken as Allah being the "key" to all locked up things and actions of Allah like;



The One who is the judge and revealer. The One who opens what is closed. The One who is the judge of what shall be opened.

The One by whose guidance that which was closed is opened and the unclear is made clear. The One who lifts veils and who opens the heart.

The One who unties the knots, and softens that which was hardened. The One who continually offers goodness and mercy.

The One who gives victory. The One who opens the door to success. The One who holds the keys to victory and success. The One who reveals the solution to all problems.


source: http://wahiduddin.net/words/99_pages/fattah_18.htm

I just love how they express their idolatry in words:o , due to their inability to represent Allah by an image/idol. They might as well draw Allah morphically... give "him" hands holding a key as a weapon/accessory or a ball of yarn or a pestle.:p :D

Anyways...

it is interesting to note that this attribute of God, is mentioned in the Quran and the understanding that is derived from it appears similar to the point worshipping Lord Ganesha and also the personality of Lord Ganesha.

"the Opener" implies a physical type of expression. One has to visualize "opening" as a type of a "physical clearing".

Opening signifies Entry allowing you to be Lead. So here God may be understood as the Lord of Beginnings which is the name of Lord Ganesha.



During my study of philosophy, I have read of the name Al-Ghazali/Imam Ghazali often, and he is also considered to be amongst the finest of Muslim theologians-scholars and philosophers and he is much celebrated by Muslims. He is even called as 'Proof of Islam'.

It is interesting because I find that he is more like 'Proof of Sanatana Dharma' to me. Because here I find the best of Muslims(and supposedly also all of mankind according to some), creme da la creme member of this filthy/stupid religion that ravaged and spoilt sacred Bharat for a millenia, arriving to an understanding that only affirms what already is present and expanded even moreso highly sophisticatedly within Sanatana Dharma.



Linguistic Meaning

The word for "Fattah" comes from the root word fataha (فتح). Fataha means to open, grant, explain, disclose, to make victorious or let out. The name of first surah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surah) of the Quran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran), al-Fatiha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fatiha), is based on this same root, and is generally translated as The Opener, or The Opening. The Arabic word miftâhî, translated as key, means that which opens or unlocks, is also based on this same root.

Deeper Meaning

In his book, "Al-Maqsad Al-Asna fi Sharah Asma' Allahu al-Husna" (aka The best means in explaining Allah's Beautiful Names), Imam Al Ghazali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Ghazali) translates Al Fattah as "He Who Opens all things". He goes on to explain that "He is the One by Whose Concern everything that is closed is opened, and (The One) by Whose guidance everything that is obscure is made manifest. At times He causes kingdoms to be opened (i.e, conquered) for His prophets, and He takes them out of the hands of His enemies..." Imam Al Ghazzali then quotes a few verses from the Quran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran) to elaborate on this meaning. For example, he uses verse 48:1, "Lo! We have given thee, (O Muhammad), a signal victory (literally, opening)..." It is interesting to note that Imam Al Ghazzali chose to say that Allah causes kingdoms to be opened (i.e, conquered) for His prophets. The first ayat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayat) of Surah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surah) An-Nasr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An-Nasr) states: "When there comes the Help of Allah and the 'fat-ha'", which some have translated into victory. This Surah was revealed referring to the Conquest of Mecca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Mecca) when the pagans of Mecca surrendered to the Islamic Prophet Muhammad, which proved to be a great victory for Islam .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Fattah

what the Muslims are struggling to arrive at theologically... if we are to consider as Lord Ganesha is that;

here the attributes to understand are

- removal of obstacles
- bestowing of success
- knowledge

We find that Lord Ganesha is the Lord of Beginnings, the Remover of Obstancles, the Lord of Success and the Lord of Knowledge (quote "at whose guidance everything that is obscure is made manifest")

Quite ironical that as so-called non-idolators they come up with a name "the Opener", which is physical. Whereas in Sanatana Dharma Lord Ganesha Who has a form, instead has the name "Remover of Obstacles" and this is appropriate and better than "the Opener" because it is extends beyond physical and applies with every type of thing and the meaning is specific, concise and clear.



OM GAM GANAPATAYE NAMAHA! JAI HIND!

Sahasranama
29 December 2010, 04:08 AM
Why try to find proof of Sanatana Dharma in another religion?

Kumar_Das
29 December 2010, 04:43 AM
Why try to find proof of Sanatana Dharma in another religion?

I didn't say I was trying to find proof or personally considered Ghazali, the aforemention Muslim scholar, as my proof.

Spirituality is present in all human societies so far. And spirituality is constantly evolving. We find that Abrahamics are next to Hindus in terms of their understanding of God it seems.

So truly it is fascinating to see others apparently arriving at a type of understanding similar to ours.

At the end of the day, all Dvijas from orthodox families do not care anything for mlecchas. I more or less hold this view too...

However I don't follow something just because it was passed down and force myself to follow that like a Joo...

I strongly believe I would be a Hindu/Sanatana Dharma follower even if I was born a Joo/Musalman/Christian because Truth has no conditions or restraints.

God can be found anywhere, no one can claim God or have a monopoly over Him.

If God is Allah, which is an obviously wrong statement, then all it takes to blow Hinduism is to wipe India off the face of the map of the world. God says of nations He is Bharat in the Gita.:) So that means whatever religions have found their place in Bharat have to be learnt about and dealt with!

Trying to understand religion as a whole, makes Sanatana Dharma for what it is more clear because of the contrast.

Rasa1976
05 January 2011, 07:17 PM
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

A thing that is made from paper and opens revealing blood is in some circles called a Koran. Though in most circles it is a Kotex.

Kumar_Das
05 January 2011, 10:59 PM
Why quote that specific verse? Is that your comeback?:o

You want to show that Allah is an absolutely Monotheistic God with no partners whereas that as much as I talked, Lord Ganesha still has wives.

So in your mind you go like "hey atleast I don't set up consorts beside my God".

And I am a dumb idolator/polytheist who is in error, deluded and that verse is my warning of what is to come to me by Allah?:D

Rasa1976
06 January 2011, 11:38 AM
No "comeback" intended, just a lack of regard for a 300 or so page "scripture" full of incendiary statements. And an equal disregard for comparing it vis-a-vis Veda or Purana.

Ganeshprasad
06 January 2011, 01:50 PM
Pranam


God says of nations He is Bharat in the Gita.:) So that means whatever religions have found their place in Bharat have to be learnt about and dealt with!

Where In Gita it is mentioned that of Nations he is Bharat, please?



Trying to understand religion as a whole, makes Sanatana Dharma for what it is more clear because of the contrast.

Come again, are you saying i have to learn Islam and Christianity because it is in Bharat so that i can understand Sanatan Dharma better?

Jai Shree Krishna