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Sahasranama
14 January 2011, 01:45 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781#

Everything you've always wanted to know about Islam but were afraid to ask. The feature documentary that discovers the basis of Muslim violence in the Koran and the life of Muhammad. jihad terror Muhammad Koran Quran Fitna

charlebs
01 April 2011, 04:56 AM
nice signature avatar, I'll copy it when I get home haha =)

astrostudent
01 April 2011, 05:40 AM
Is this a link to a hate site disguised as 'truth about Islam' or something? I want to know before I click....

Sahasranama
01 April 2011, 05:44 AM
No, it's an objective analysis of the fundamental tenets of Islam.

astrostudent
01 April 2011, 06:56 AM
No, it's an objective analysis of the fundamental tenets of Islam.

Of course, of course.;)

NayaSurya
01 April 2011, 07:25 AM
I just finished watching the video and it is very honest, accurate...and even heart touching.

Anyone who has read the Islamic Hadith and Qur'an would know that. Slightly before 9/11 I read a book called Beneath The Veil and became interested in the hate of Islam. I wanted to understand Islam better as my husband worked with many Muslims and had been having difficulty with them...but some had befriended him and had been kind.

I wanted to understand the vast differences in these people and why some were so violent at his work place...while others were so kind and loving.

So I have read these scriptures and I encourage anyone who hasn't, to read them...or at least watch this video posted.

But, honestly they didn't even put the worst verses of the Qur'an upon that video...so it's tame compared to watching the video out there of some of the innocent people who were beheaded in the past 10 years for Islam. I can not unsee these things, nor would I wish it...as knowledg of these attrocities is very crucial to know this world for what it is...hell.

astrostudent
01 April 2011, 08:18 AM
Normally, I'd stay away from people who 'analyze' verses in religious texts and thus show the followers of said religion in a bad light.

NayaSurya
01 April 2011, 01:01 PM
Yes, in a perfect world that would be the cut and dry of it.

However...Islam is not really a religion...in fact it's actually more of a way of life such as communism...and it spreads just the same way.

astrostudent
01 April 2011, 02:09 PM
Yes, in a perfect world that would be the cut and dry of it.

However...Islam is not really a religion...in fact it's actually more of a way of life such as communism...and it spreads just the same way.

And someone else could say the same thing about Christianity and capitalism and what else not. They too could come up with hundreds of verses from the Bible to 'prove' that Christianity is evil, and it is a western imperialist ploy to control the world's resources; they could also point to historical events like imperialist invasions of Asia, America, and Africa to reinforce their view.

They could also point to the several illegal wars that the US govt. has waged over the years - and blame both capitalism and Christianity for the mess. Capitalism because it's greedy for oil and other resources and profits, and Christianity because most of the invaders are Christians.

As you can see, two can play this game, so it is better not to dehumanize other cultures/religions because the same logic could come back to bite us. Besides, I thought this was a Hindu dharma forum, not a Muslim bashing or Mahatma bashing forum, which is what I see around here.

charitra
01 April 2011, 02:16 PM
Agree with NayaSurya :) . In a forum like this ideally one needs to ask muslims about their take on their own (present or former) faith. A small number of them were vocal and very much civilized in their analysis. Naturally they are the least popular ones in their mother lands and lamentably their constructive criticism wasn’t viewed favorably. The fortunate few had fled, the rest were killed or are languishing in prison on various framed charges. In west and India, ironically a muslim gets away criticizing Christianity and Hinduism without facing any retribution since Muslims uniformly enjoy greatest freedom in nonmuslim lands!!!
Please explore the web and look for muslims running self-critical blogs, not many are available though but there are a few I know of: faithfreedom.org (blog owner Ali Sina PhD is a former Iranian muslim and wrote a book on Mohammed, a true PhD work it was), ayaan hirsi ali (born in Somalia), wafa sultan (Syria).
Islam has to reform itself not because nonmuslims are demanding it but because its coreligionists are desiring so. Have you ever heard any one issuing a fatwa against killing a nonmuslim (by a muslim), I didn’t. There were celebrations across Pakistan for killing a federal elected lawmaker who happens to be a Christian, that too one who oversees the interests of religious minorities (sic).No fatwa was issued, I must add.
. Om Shanti.

NayaSurya
01 April 2011, 02:21 PM
This is a subforum to discuss this very issue...look through the threads here and you can see this for yourself.

And as far as christianity...I do not see xtian nations stoning women for going to school...forbiding women to leave their home. These are just two things Sharia law allows.

Also, I do not see how america has anything to do with this discussion...aside from trying to use my personal location to cause insult.

But...my location is at your feet...not any one place. So please lets leave idiotic decisions made by politicians from random locations out of this very serious topic.


My final comment upon this is Muslims are a Beloved Portion of Shiva...and I have only love for each one...even the ones who would come to cut my head from my body.

But, as with any confused or clouded Portion here, just because we are aware of their divinity doesn't mean we should not protect ourselves from confused Portions.

And for this reason I will remove myself from further comment and remain at your feet.<3

astrostudent
02 April 2011, 12:09 AM
And as far as christianity...I do not see xtian nations stoning women for going to school...forbiding women to leave their home. These are just two things Sharia law allows.

Many crimes take place in Christian nations too. Does that mean Christians are okay with crimes? And stoning is approved in the Bible, so it isn't all that different from Sharia either.


Also, I do not see how america has anything to do with this discussion...aside from trying to use my personal location to cause insult.

Then why did you specifically mention communism or Islam when the same logic could be extended to America as well? Isn't that a bit inconsistent?


But...my location is at your feet...not any one place. So please lets leave idiotic decisions made by politicians from random locations out of this very serious topic.

But you won't leave random acts perpetrated by Muslim extremists out of the discussion; instead, you'll use them to attack an entire faith. That too is inconsistent.

NayaSurya
02 April 2011, 12:14 AM
What does communism have to do with the u.s.?

Are you comparing the bible to sharia law? You do realize in america and many countries that the bible and christians live side by side other religions such as my family and we are not stoned or threatened to die.

Also...these are not random acts...in afganistan, pakistan and other locations women are stoned for leaving their home without male to escort them and for going to schools.

Please, go read...read anywhere aside from the right or left before saying such things.

Go read, then come have this discussion.

NayaSurya
02 April 2011, 12:18 AM
Actually, please still go read. But I won't be coming back to disturb you as I do not think it brings any fruit. So I will not be replying to you if you again post to me.

Much love<3

astrostudent
02 April 2011, 12:20 AM
What does communism have to do with the u.s.?

Then why did you mention communism?


Are you comparing the bible to sharia law? You do realize in america and many countries that the bible and christians live side by side other religions such as my family and we are not stoned or threatened to die.

Also...these are not random acts...in afganistan, pakistan and other locations women are stoned for leaving their home without male to escort them and for going to schools.

This is not because of religion; it is due to the backward economic conditions, lack of education and such. Bad things happen even in Indian villages, doesn't mean Hinduism is responsible. Economic conditions are responsible.


Please, go read...read anywhere aside from the right or left before saying such things.

Go read, then come have this discussion.

Oh, the irony.;)

Divine Kala
02 April 2011, 10:06 AM
What a scary video. Perhaps it will be this century in which we see Lord Visnu descend as Kalki?

Adhvagat
02 April 2011, 10:43 AM
Divine Kala, don't underestimate darkness. We're enlightened compared to the middle ages.

I'm a firm believer of the golden age during this Kali Yuga, the proof is everywhere. Dharma is rising slow, but definitely rising.

Ramakrishna
03 April 2011, 04:02 PM
Namaste Pietro,


Divine Kala, don't underestimate darkness. We're enlightened compared to the middle ages.

I'm a firm believer of the golden age during this Kali Yuga, the proof is everywhere. Dharma is rising slow, but definitely rising.

Can you expand on this or tell me more about this golden age during Kali Yuga? There is still a lot of time left in Kali Yuga, and while it has seen the birth and rise of Christianity and Islam, I think it would be nice if the fall of those religions also occur before this yuga is over. But perhaps something even darker will rise in their place..

Jai Sri Ram

pineblossom
03 April 2011, 06:43 PM
If you want to try to understand Islam you need to understand the reason for the Sunny/Shia split. And that split had to do with a lost bracelet.

It also had very much to do with the shame/honour system which is still prevalent in many parts of the world. The carnage visited on Muslims by Muslims and on the rest of the world is very much invested in the shame/honour system which is more powerful that any God.

muslim
07 April 2011, 09:56 PM
This is a great thread.

Adhvagat
29 April 2011, 01:45 PM
Namaste Pietro,



Can you expand on this or tell me more about this golden age during Kali Yuga? There is still a lot of time left in Kali Yuga, and while it has seen the birth and rise of Christianity and Islam, I think it would be nice if the fall of those religions also occur before this yuga is over. But perhaps something even darker will rise in their place..

Jai Sri Ram

Ramakrishna, I didn't see your question mate, sorry!

Gaudiya Vaishnavas regard Chaitanya Mahaprabhu as an avatar (they also regard Prabhupada as predicted since he spread the Maha Mantra into every village, as said by Chaitanya himself, IIRC), so for Vaishnavas the world began to be influenced by good energies after Chaitanya stepped on it.

An example a devotee friend of mine uses is the Age of Discovery, most nagivations were motivated to find a certain 'Mountain of Gold' in India, but this mountain of gold that they saw on letters was referring to Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.

Since the Age of Discovery, the expansion of our horizons and new discoveries have been made, we stepped out of the darkness of the middle ages into rational Illuminism and now a world where dharma is more proeminent.

I also think there's evidence and factors for this age astrologically, perhaps Yajvan could expand on this matter.

Spiritualseeker
26 May 2011, 06:48 AM
Namaste, I must give my two cents here. First I would not like to compare Islam to Communism. Communism is a political theory that is based on equality and freedom in my view. The atrocities that are sometimes attributed to communism have nothing to do with that. Remember many communist revolutions occur in areas where governments oppress and even kill their own people. Yes some communist rebels revolt and there is blood shed, but that is to be expected. We must condemn any type of excessive violence for the sake of violence. I would not compare Muhammad, a terrorist to Che Geuvara who is seen by Latin America and much of the 3rd world as a hero. Muhammad taught totalitarianism while the communist says that we need a state run by the people and for the people. Islam and christianity both are violent religions. Some christians may say their religion is of peace and we are glad that they say so, but this does not take back the fact that clinging to dogma can cause violence from religious extremist. Look at the history of christianity and if we look closer behind close doors we find that Christianity was stolen from the Gnostic Christians who had quite a different view of Christ and even saw symbolism of other pagans gods, because to be quite frank, Jesus was based on myths of ancient peoples. There has always been deception in Christianity from the time of Eusebius to before it. Constantine did not make it better as he masquerade as a righteous man despite the fact that after making Christianity the state religion and over saw the creed of Nicea, he murders his wife and son and then gets baptized on his death bed. We need not to mention that Christians also accept that there was an 'old law' from the old testament that allowed genocide in the name of an imaginary deity. So the point is that Christianity and the rest of the Abrahamic faiths have a real history of violence and there is evidence of it all over their writings. We can say that now Muslims are more extreme than christians, but how many Christians wants politicians to go to war in other countries so that they can bring back the second coming of Christ? How many Christians claim that the reason the Tsunami caused havoc in Japan is because the evil Japanese attacked Christians at Pearl Harbor. So there are extremist very apparent in the Abrahamic faith. Om Namah Sivaya