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Indra
21 January 2011, 04:41 PM
Arya Samaj (Sanskrit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit) ārya samāja आर्य समाज "Noble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arya) Society") is a Hindu reform movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_reform_movement) founded by Swami Dayananda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Dayananda) on 10 April 1875.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arya_Samaj#cite_note-0) He was a sannyasi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sannyasa) who believed in the infallible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infallible) authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_absolutism) of the Vedas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedas). Dayananda emphasized the ideals of brahmacharya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmacharya) (chastity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chastity)). There are 3–4 million followers of Arya Samaj worldwide.

Drawing what are seen to be the logical conclusions from these principles, the Arya Samaj also unequivocally condemns practices such as polytheism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytheism), iconolatry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconolatry), animal sacrifice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sacrifice), ancestor worship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestor_worship), pilgrimage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrimage), priestcraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest), the belief in avatars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_%28Hinduism%29) or incarnations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarnations) of God, the hereditary caste system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system), untouchability (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untouchability) and child marriage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage) on the grounds that all these lack Vedic sanction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arya_Samaj

http://www.aryasamaj.com/

Sahasranama
21 January 2011, 07:23 PM
Hindu iconoclasts: Rammohan Roy and Dayananda Sarasvati (http://books.google.nl/books?id=wxjArixq5hcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=hindu+iconoclasts&source=bl&ots=JvK_SkEg5r&sig=kQAaQussq8ebm7L87Gh9AkvuOQg&hl=nl&ei=gTE6TYrTB8qBOsXajJIL&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false)

kd gupta
21 January 2011, 11:07 PM
aram dāso na mīlhuse karānyaham devāya bhūrnaye.anāghāh |
acetayadacito devo aryo ghrtsam rāye kavitaro junāti || 7/86/7mndlm
Slave like [ DEVOTEE] may I do service[ SHRADDHA ...shraddhaya satyamapyate ..yaj OR BHAKTI] to the Bounteous, serve, free from sin, the God inclined to anger.
This gentle Lord gives wisdom to the simple: the wiser parmatma leads on the wise to riches.....by sri griffith ralph
This is the translation by a foreigner , still it comprises the devotion and many more translations are there, suiting to their discipline [ I do not say religion ]. Aryasamaj , jainism and other many hindu traditions define but I dont find vedas translation as possible .Even upanishads try to make it possible ...but ...but ... there chapter for devotion lacks . So bhagwatgita is only the solution to exactly define the vedas gist and more to say ....devotion chapter 12 exists there . I as the shaiiva devotee may consider shiva explaining to shakti . But I am sorry to say that ARYASAMAJIS have still to consider:o .

Sahasranama
22 January 2011, 01:22 AM
I am very interested in what you are trying to say, but unfortunately, I do not comprehend your English. Could you write in Hindi perhaps?

kd gupta
22 January 2011, 04:48 AM
I am very interested in what you are trying to say, but unfortunately, I do not comprehend your English. Could you write in Hindi perhaps?
But I dont know hindi typing .:)

Sahasranama
22 January 2011, 08:09 AM
No problem, but if you want you can use itranslator of Omkarananda Ashram: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

PARAM
22 January 2011, 10:08 AM
यहाँ हिंदी आसानी से type हो सकती है
http://www.google.com/transliterate/

kd gupta
23 January 2011, 11:00 PM
यहाँ हिंदी आसानी से type हो सकती है
http://www.google.com/transliterate/
सीताराम सीताराम सीताराम कहिये
जाही विधि राखे राम ताहि विधि रहिये .
धन्यवाद परमजी , अच्छा प्रयास है .

satay
24 January 2011, 10:06 AM
नमस्ते,
जी हां बहुत अच्छा

PARAM
24 January 2011, 10:37 AM
सीताराम सीताराम सीताराम कहिये
जाही विधि राखे राम ताहि विधि रहिये
जय श्री राम जय सीताराम


I would like to say that Swami Dayanand's work was very logically motivated. During my study days I read about politically motivated Aryan Invasion Theory in textbook, textbook were not logic but I have to write what I read there.

There in one of the logic (illogic) wit about Aryan invasion was written that According to Swami Dayanand Aryans invaded from Tibet, and there reason was given that, according to Swami Dayanand Aryans worship Sun because Tibet was a very cold place. Objection to this wit was- There are so many Cold places in the World where there is no Sun worship, while there are many hot places in the world where Sun is worshipped. I accepted it, and thought Dayanand lacks logic.

But somewhere against atheists I read Praise about same Dayanand of Arya Samaj who proved the existence of Ishwar. I was first shocked how logic it is, and what I read in text book was lie?

Then later I read Satyarth Prakash; however I was not 100% with it, but accepted the Logic, it cannot be challenged easily; and I started checking everything with Wits and Logic, instead of accepting anything written by someone.

Sahasranama
24 January 2011, 11:01 AM
Ishvara is not something we can prove through logic, if this was possible, all mathematicians would be jivanmuktas. It's only in the deepest stages of samadhi that our ancient rishis were able to percieve the ultimate reality and record the vedas. Swami Dayananda and his arya crowd are what I would call "pseudo-rationalists." A lot of Swami Dayananda's translations of the vedas have been discredited by scholars, for example in the karapatra bhashya (http://vedamu.org/vedas/SuklaYajurvedam/Madyandina%20Samhita/Samhita/MadyandinaSamhita.asp) a lot of Dayananda's inconsistencies have been shown.

PARAM
31 January 2011, 10:27 AM
Ishvara is not something we can prove through logic, if this was possible, all mathematicians would be jivanmuktas. It's only in the deepest stages of samadhi that our ancient rishis were able to percieve the ultimate reality and record the vedas. Swami Dayananda and his arya crowd are what I would call "pseudo-rationalists." A lot of Swami Dayananda's translations of the vedas have been discredited by scholars, for example in the karapatra bhashya (http://vedamu.org/vedas/SuklaYajurvedam/Madyandina%20Samhita/Samhita/MadyandinaSamhita.asp) a lot of Dayananda's inconsistencies have been shown.

You said this, I thought too much, but what you said, does not logically fits. Dayanand did what time and situation demanded, why you don't check every point, Arya Samaj started Cow protection movement, Dharma Prasar etc. Even your icons like Veer Savarkar, Bhagat Singh were Arya Samajis

Now politically corrected media makes that Veer Savarkar was Terrorist, and Bhagat Singh was Atheist, follower of Lenin Stalin and not of Lala Lajpat Rai, Bhai Parmanand.

Believer
31 January 2011, 11:14 AM
Swami Dayananda and his arya crowd are what I would call "pseudo-rationalists." Labels, Labels, Labels!
And then we get upset when we read about Srila Prabhupad calling some people 'rascals' or 'mayavadis'?
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Sahasranama
31 January 2011, 11:22 AM
Where is the law against labels?

PARAM
01 February 2011, 09:55 AM
Where is the law against labels?

But if you use these labels against someone like our Icons, then it could be wrong, we cannot disrespect them, like Bhagat Singh, Sardar Ajit Singh, Lala Lajpat Rai, Bhai Parmanand, Veer Savarkar, Pandit Lekhram, Pandit Ram Prasad Bismil, Sukhdev Thapar etc were Arya Samajis.