anirvan
28 February 2011, 11:45 PM
namaste all,i am starting this thread about most vital pillar of sanatandharma with his blessings,the supreme Gurudev.
Guru tattva is pinnacle of sanatan dharma. The entire creation is sustained and nurtured by dharma and this dharma has started flowing from mouth of brahma ( who has taken role of Adiguru) at the start of creation through gurus which is continuing now.
Majority have doubts and reserves about the Role of Guru in spiritual path. So i thought to have a good discussion about this basic and pivotal aspects of sanatan dharma.
First question is whether GURU is a individual human? Or a satta (tattva)?
If one can understand this basic question and change his view of guru,he can accept the universality of guru and make his/her spiritual journey smooth.
I will put few important points about truth of gurubad,and then will want to know how other”s think about it and have clear understanding with healthy discussion. There are some siddhantas below....about guru-tattva
1. Guru is the param satta...the highest Tattva of parambrahman.
2. So Guru is one and only and eternal. He can never be an individual.
3. Ultimate spiritual goal, hence self/god/Brahman realization can be achieved only through Guru as Brahmavidya is only GURUMUKHI.
4. Guru is the only approver of Moksha and god can”t give mokhsa.
5. When unified,single,unmanifest Nirguna Brahman first wished to manifest into many,that is the wish to create, he first kept himself as GURU who will return back the self illusioned creation into swaroop. Just like a rescue mechanism before plunging into a dangerous project.
6. So the root and highest tattva is GURU-SATTA.then descending order is nirguna Brahman,then saguna Brahman(whome we worship as GOD),then comes devas, etc..
7. In highest Achintya-veda-veda –tattva....the spiritual tattva/leela which starts after the achievement of Nirvikalpa-the highest goal set byf Vedanta....we can understand this moola guru tattva. Here guru is the husband.god or Brahman is the wife,the sevika.
8. So after understanding this highest bhava-tattva...which is much beyond the advita Brahman-tattva, one can understand who is Guru and how entire creation ,its bhava is created by Mahashakti/god to make happy the paramguru.this is bhava-lok.
9. Guru”s role is not showing us God, he behave that way because we ignorant humans can”t recognize him,misunderstand him . Do we need president to take us to his secretary. No? But when we can be fully evolved in spiritual path,the Guru manifest his swaroop.then we realize that he is the guide,he is the path,he is the destination.
10. So we have to see the individual Guru as a form of the adi-param guru. Because the individuality of of this sadhaka is perished forever,in that place the reflection of param-guru/jagat guru is manifesting.this GURU-SISHYA LEELA is also eternal and AS sweet as RAAS-LEELA of Nitya-vrindavan.
11. In Spiritual practices, bhagavat tattva is NOT essential..just we can see in JAINISM,BUDDHISM, orthodox Sannyasi margs,to some extent SIKHISM. Many school of philosophy has no concept of individual god,but most philosophy aims at conquering sorrow,some goal for eternal bliss/happiness. But in one and all spiritual path,GURU”S role is absolute necessity.
12. The GURU i am referring above is only SAT-GURU...?
13. Who is satguru? Those whose individuality is completely Annihilated in param-brahma through Vedanta-described Nirvikalpa and came back to earthily body with wishes of Jagat-guru. Other siddhas,sadhakas,samprangyat,asmprangyat Samadhi attained Gurus are not comes under category of Satguru. As they all go through karma-mukti,so they can”t give mokhsa to others.
14. But the role of disciple is not to search the calibre of his guru once taken diksha,but accept him with respect as Sat-guru as his devotion is directly accepted by jagat-guru imself and jagat-guru is indirectly guide the disciple through by his own means. But before one beg diksha at a certain guru,he must try to be sure and convinced that the guru is truly evolved one.
15. Guru-sishya relationship is eternal, once guru has accepted a sishya,he can"t attain mokhsa untill his sishya is not freed.
second,if guru hasn"t attained mokhsa,both guru-sishya born again and again as guru-sishya till guru attains siddhi
third,sishya can never attain mokhsa untill guru has attained it.
16. once Guru accepts a sishya,he accept at same time all sins,all karmic bondages forever untill the sishya is liberated from maya.
so imagine how dreadful and how much responsibility is to be a guru.but satguru has so much love,mercy for we ignorant humans that he willingly takes all sin,pain,all karmic bondage of us to give us freedom and suffer the sins of us.suffer so many false accusation from society.
but does he gets anything in return?nothing because he is atmaram...self fulfilled bholanath. it is his his love,pitiness and empathy for us that bring back to this nasty earth again from Brahmananda.
but many ignorant ,half baked sadhus are doing guru-giri as buissness without knowing how nuch sin they are taking,to just confirm their own hell for sure.
jayaguru
Guru tattva is pinnacle of sanatan dharma. The entire creation is sustained and nurtured by dharma and this dharma has started flowing from mouth of brahma ( who has taken role of Adiguru) at the start of creation through gurus which is continuing now.
Majority have doubts and reserves about the Role of Guru in spiritual path. So i thought to have a good discussion about this basic and pivotal aspects of sanatan dharma.
First question is whether GURU is a individual human? Or a satta (tattva)?
If one can understand this basic question and change his view of guru,he can accept the universality of guru and make his/her spiritual journey smooth.
I will put few important points about truth of gurubad,and then will want to know how other”s think about it and have clear understanding with healthy discussion. There are some siddhantas below....about guru-tattva
1. Guru is the param satta...the highest Tattva of parambrahman.
2. So Guru is one and only and eternal. He can never be an individual.
3. Ultimate spiritual goal, hence self/god/Brahman realization can be achieved only through Guru as Brahmavidya is only GURUMUKHI.
4. Guru is the only approver of Moksha and god can”t give mokhsa.
5. When unified,single,unmanifest Nirguna Brahman first wished to manifest into many,that is the wish to create, he first kept himself as GURU who will return back the self illusioned creation into swaroop. Just like a rescue mechanism before plunging into a dangerous project.
6. So the root and highest tattva is GURU-SATTA.then descending order is nirguna Brahman,then saguna Brahman(whome we worship as GOD),then comes devas, etc..
7. In highest Achintya-veda-veda –tattva....the spiritual tattva/leela which starts after the achievement of Nirvikalpa-the highest goal set byf Vedanta....we can understand this moola guru tattva. Here guru is the husband.god or Brahman is the wife,the sevika.
8. So after understanding this highest bhava-tattva...which is much beyond the advita Brahman-tattva, one can understand who is Guru and how entire creation ,its bhava is created by Mahashakti/god to make happy the paramguru.this is bhava-lok.
9. Guru”s role is not showing us God, he behave that way because we ignorant humans can”t recognize him,misunderstand him . Do we need president to take us to his secretary. No? But when we can be fully evolved in spiritual path,the Guru manifest his swaroop.then we realize that he is the guide,he is the path,he is the destination.
10. So we have to see the individual Guru as a form of the adi-param guru. Because the individuality of of this sadhaka is perished forever,in that place the reflection of param-guru/jagat guru is manifesting.this GURU-SISHYA LEELA is also eternal and AS sweet as RAAS-LEELA of Nitya-vrindavan.
11. In Spiritual practices, bhagavat tattva is NOT essential..just we can see in JAINISM,BUDDHISM, orthodox Sannyasi margs,to some extent SIKHISM. Many school of philosophy has no concept of individual god,but most philosophy aims at conquering sorrow,some goal for eternal bliss/happiness. But in one and all spiritual path,GURU”S role is absolute necessity.
12. The GURU i am referring above is only SAT-GURU...?
13. Who is satguru? Those whose individuality is completely Annihilated in param-brahma through Vedanta-described Nirvikalpa and came back to earthily body with wishes of Jagat-guru. Other siddhas,sadhakas,samprangyat,asmprangyat Samadhi attained Gurus are not comes under category of Satguru. As they all go through karma-mukti,so they can”t give mokhsa to others.
14. But the role of disciple is not to search the calibre of his guru once taken diksha,but accept him with respect as Sat-guru as his devotion is directly accepted by jagat-guru imself and jagat-guru is indirectly guide the disciple through by his own means. But before one beg diksha at a certain guru,he must try to be sure and convinced that the guru is truly evolved one.
15. Guru-sishya relationship is eternal, once guru has accepted a sishya,he can"t attain mokhsa untill his sishya is not freed.
second,if guru hasn"t attained mokhsa,both guru-sishya born again and again as guru-sishya till guru attains siddhi
third,sishya can never attain mokhsa untill guru has attained it.
16. once Guru accepts a sishya,he accept at same time all sins,all karmic bondages forever untill the sishya is liberated from maya.
so imagine how dreadful and how much responsibility is to be a guru.but satguru has so much love,mercy for we ignorant humans that he willingly takes all sin,pain,all karmic bondage of us to give us freedom and suffer the sins of us.suffer so many false accusation from society.
but does he gets anything in return?nothing because he is atmaram...self fulfilled bholanath. it is his his love,pitiness and empathy for us that bring back to this nasty earth again from Brahmananda.
but many ignorant ,half baked sadhus are doing guru-giri as buissness without knowing how nuch sin they are taking,to just confirm their own hell for sure.
jayaguru