yajvan
02 January 2007, 10:10 PM
Hari Om
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I ask this question on Purnima, while Chandra is in Gemini owned by Mercury and the intellect -buddhi ( one of thought, intellectual inquiry and the like)…
This is something I have pondered for some time…any one care to help me in my comprehension is welcomed to participate.
Here's my quandary: From a historical perspective, we have been around for some time if we use the time scale of the 4 yugas and one day of Brahman as a reliable scale. ( this is at the bottom of this post as an fyi for easy reference. Its from a previous post, Time - the yardstick for the infinite).
We are knowledgeable spiritual people, more so in other ages then kali, yet knowing about the Veda, an age-old, even beyond time, knowledge level. Yet, when we look to what scientist suggest, even on a good day, it dates us back to 5 Million BC.
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html (http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html)
So here's where I start scratching my head:
Quandary #1
That is, science see's primitive man several million years ago, one with little skills ...fire is a big thing, as is a club perhaps and the ability to sharpen a stone for utility. Yet, if we add up the numbers for 1 Mahayuga that = 4.32 Million years, and look back at this time from our present day, it suggests humanity was in Sat yuga, or close to it. Yet scientist suggest that was prehistoric times.
How does this add up? If we look back only 200,000 to 300,000 years, we see the most noted modern man a.k.a. Homo-sapiens ( which happens to mean "wise man") , Homo-habilis- means "handy man" or man with ability 2 million years ago used stone tools Homo-erectus- means "the man who walks erect". Where is the enlightened? And the records thereof?
How does one rationalize past times that are spiritual by nature ( Sat yuga, Treta, Dvapara), yet comprehend 'cave men' animal like people - could they have been jivanmukti and muni's?
Quandary #2
Here's my conundrum… when we cycle though various yuga's, are we penalized to start all over again and start the evolutionary growth cycle from cave man to modern man again? So, along the way of our evolution via the golden ages erode (sat yuga), then we have various levels of pralaya ( from li to dissolve + pra or away) and we start back at square 1?
Not just in knowledge ( that of the Divine), but in physical appearance, behaviors, more animal like? Is there a time were what we learned rolls over? Or is each Mahayuga a 'new day', square one of the evolutionary time line?
If you have seen the movie Ground Hog Day with Bill Murray this is the perfect example of the above.
Any insights are welcomed.
pranams,
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The 4 Yugas
Sat Yug 1,728,000
Treta Yug 1,296,000
Dvapara Yug 864,000
Kali Yug 432,000 ( each Yug above is a multiple of kali yug)
One Kalpa
One Day of Brahma = 1 Kalpa 1,963,008,000
Manu 490,752,000
Manvantara 490,752,000
One Chaturyugi 6,912,000 ( this = 4 X sat yuga period)
~~~~~
I ask this question on Purnima, while Chandra is in Gemini owned by Mercury and the intellect -buddhi ( one of thought, intellectual inquiry and the like)…
This is something I have pondered for some time…any one care to help me in my comprehension is welcomed to participate.
Here's my quandary: From a historical perspective, we have been around for some time if we use the time scale of the 4 yugas and one day of Brahman as a reliable scale. ( this is at the bottom of this post as an fyi for easy reference. Its from a previous post, Time - the yardstick for the infinite).
We are knowledgeable spiritual people, more so in other ages then kali, yet knowing about the Veda, an age-old, even beyond time, knowledge level. Yet, when we look to what scientist suggest, even on a good day, it dates us back to 5 Million BC.
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html (http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html)
So here's where I start scratching my head:
Quandary #1
That is, science see's primitive man several million years ago, one with little skills ...fire is a big thing, as is a club perhaps and the ability to sharpen a stone for utility. Yet, if we add up the numbers for 1 Mahayuga that = 4.32 Million years, and look back at this time from our present day, it suggests humanity was in Sat yuga, or close to it. Yet scientist suggest that was prehistoric times.
How does this add up? If we look back only 200,000 to 300,000 years, we see the most noted modern man a.k.a. Homo-sapiens ( which happens to mean "wise man") , Homo-habilis- means "handy man" or man with ability 2 million years ago used stone tools Homo-erectus- means "the man who walks erect". Where is the enlightened? And the records thereof?
How does one rationalize past times that are spiritual by nature ( Sat yuga, Treta, Dvapara), yet comprehend 'cave men' animal like people - could they have been jivanmukti and muni's?
Quandary #2
Here's my conundrum… when we cycle though various yuga's, are we penalized to start all over again and start the evolutionary growth cycle from cave man to modern man again? So, along the way of our evolution via the golden ages erode (sat yuga), then we have various levels of pralaya ( from li to dissolve + pra or away) and we start back at square 1?
Not just in knowledge ( that of the Divine), but in physical appearance, behaviors, more animal like? Is there a time were what we learned rolls over? Or is each Mahayuga a 'new day', square one of the evolutionary time line?
If you have seen the movie Ground Hog Day with Bill Murray this is the perfect example of the above.
Any insights are welcomed.
pranams,
----------------------------------------------------------------
The 4 Yugas
Sat Yug 1,728,000
Treta Yug 1,296,000
Dvapara Yug 864,000
Kali Yug 432,000 ( each Yug above is a multiple of kali yug)
One Kalpa
One Day of Brahma = 1 Kalpa 1,963,008,000
Manu 490,752,000
Manvantara 490,752,000
One Chaturyugi 6,912,000 ( this = 4 X sat yuga period)