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yajvan
27 September 2011, 02:07 PM
hariḥ oṁ
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namasté


This occurred a few days ago that the speed limit of the universe was exceeded. That is, within a lab environment & experiment, subatomic particles travelling faster than the speed of light occurred.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8783011/Speed-of-light-broken-at-CERN-scientists-claim.html

With this result, there are many that are checking and re-checking the data, method, observations and execution of the experiment and looking for the ~faults~.

Now we have been told one cannot exceed the speed of light. As I understand it, the energy used to accelerate a particle ( or object) is converted into matter thus requiring more energy to move the object ( hence my limited understanding). Yet something that can travel faster then light is our mind's ability to take one's awareness across the solar system in a blink of a thought, beyond the speed of light.

praṇām

Mana
27 September 2011, 02:59 PM
Namasté yajvan

Great post, you have to admire the human achievement in even creating the apparatus and power required for this experiment.

Now this is an interesting article. The first line is with out a doubt, sensationalist, but also very misleading, quite typical of science writing as they have to play to the media with political spin. There has never been a question as to the doubt around Einstein's theory; he was the first to admit that.

Stephen Hawkins take on the LHC (http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/08/23/a-higgs-setback-did-stephen-hawking-just-win-the-most-outrageous-bet-in-physics-history/)

The LHC "Large Hadron Collider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider)" is a 10 Billion Euro experiment to look for The Higgs Boson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson) particle. The Higgs Boson is a theoretical particle invented to make the current model of physics stand up. It is truly a "Glue" particle to stick it all together. Now if this experiment fails to find Higgs Bosons, what do you do?

First off; re check all the welds (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/732302) as they may be causing a problem, now that must have cost another small principality; something to do with the wrong solder being used, do you remember this (http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090807/full/460784a.html)?

Still no results, now some may find them selves in a conundrum, jobs on the line.

Could it be that the space time has been bent and the particle has been passed through a whole in the fabric of space time. The speed of light thus being passed by reducing the distance.

This is, to my mind a fancy way off dressing up the failure of the model. Which is actually far more interesting than had the particle been found.

Non linear time may be being realised. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNWCwB2XKjU)

These are very interesting times in which we live.

I defiantly think you are onto something concerning thought, yajvan!

praNAma

mana

The Occult
27 September 2011, 10:44 PM
Talking about thoughts travelling faster than light, as we know from quantum mechanics, a particle is able to be at two different places at the same point of time, so who knows , our dreams could possibly be something to do with parallel universe concept where to our world, there are many other worlds within many other universes with many of "I" who might be doing different things and in some world we might not even exist

If you can travel faster than light,then you can go back in time!!!!

rkpande
28 September 2011, 05:44 AM
go back in time!!!
how far back?
far back enough to see brahma creating the universe!!.

The Occult
29 September 2011, 02:55 AM
That depends on the speed which you travel, in any case,even if you do, it still remains a doubt if you can rewrite history

Oh and recently there have been experiments conducted by a group of researchers at CERN where they have observed neutrinos to be travelling faster than speed of light.However the findings of the research still remains to be validated.Most people speculate an experimental error

issacnewton
29 September 2011, 07:01 AM
nice summary here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light

sanjaya
29 September 2011, 11:55 PM
Heh, on Friday my advisor asked me what I thought about this. Despite that the result only came out the previous day, imagine my embarassment that this was the first I was hearing of superluminal (faster than light) neutrinos!

Fortunately I gave him the "right" answer. It's probable that there's a systematic error in this result that hasn't been properly deduced. Systematic error is a type of error that occurs in all science experiments (i.e. it's not human error, and it is quantifiable). It's not related to statistics, but rather has to do with errors resulting from the experimental process. Chances are that the Opera collaboration's systematic errors are underestimated. I'm as excited as the next scientist about particles breaking the speed of light. But given the lack of theoretical foundation, I'm highly skeptical.

OM GUY
01 October 2011, 01:04 AM
Wonderful! I hope it all results in bringing world peace and understanding that much closer, more quickly. :rolleyes:

NayaSurya
02 October 2011, 06:27 AM
You know OMguy...who knows, it very well could!

Any discovery could trickle down to many unforseen elements in the our quality of life. Who knows what wonderful new thoughts/knowledge will come of this.

You wouldn't think WWII would be the cause of so many wonderful things we take for granted today...but it is.

Think about Les Paul and Big Band music. Because of that dual recording technology we wound up with recording technology still in use today. The use of penicillin...has saved so many men, women and children.

Just as this world was once thought the center of the universe, until someone came along to uncover the truth. These discoveries are so wonderful, so precious to this realm. I can not wait to see this phenomenon validated!

OM GUY
02 October 2011, 03:03 PM
You wouldn't think WWII would be the cause of so many wonderful things we take for granted today...but it is.

Well, seeing how I had ancestor's tortured, shot and starved to death in the streets of the Polish ghetto's during WWll, I beg to differ with you on that. :(

To me, it's like saying my head will feel so much better after I finnish banging it against the wall, or my body feels great now, after they amputated my leg that was mangled by a roadside bomb.

I would like to think that perhaps, after thousands of years of wars, we wouldn't have to go through any more of those same ugly scenes just to give birth to life prolonging drugs and or music. I would also hope that none of your family members or friends would have to suffer these unnecessary evils just to give rise to the next invention or discovery.

Given enlightenment and the people striving for such, we could come to the same conclusions without maiming and slaughtering each other.:)

Jainarayan
02 October 2011, 03:14 PM
...it still remains a doubt if you can rewrite history

The nice neat package that I've heard theoretical physicists use is that you would go back in an alternate timeline. You'd be an observer and/or interact in a completely different way than you did in your own timeline. That would eliminate the Grandfather paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox). To me, that screams alternate universe(s). :)

Jainarayan
02 October 2011, 03:20 PM
Well, I'm reminded of the quote "Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine." - Sir Arthur Eddington English astronomer (1882 - 1944).

NayaSurya
02 October 2011, 05:57 PM
You wouldn't think WWII would be the cause of so many wonderful things we take for granted today...but it is.

Well, seeing how I had ancestor's tortured, shot and starved to death in the streets of the Polish ghetto's during WWll, I beg to differ with you on that. :(

To me, it's like saying my head will feel so much better after I finnish banging it against the wall, or my body feels great now, after they amputated my leg that was mangled by a roadside bomb.

I would like to think that perhaps, after thousands of years of wars, we wouldn't have to go through any more of those same ugly scenes just to give birth to life prolonging drugs and or music. I would also hope that none of your family members or friends would have to suffer these unnecessary evils just to give rise to the next invention or discovery.

Given enlightenment and the people striving for such, we could come to the same conclusions without maiming and slaughtering each other.:)


"Any discovery could trickle down to many unforseen elements in the our quality of life. Who knows what wonderful new thoughts/knowledge will come of this."

Meaning from this very important discovery could come amazing things! If things such as medicines come from such a tragic time, then this discovery in the midst of scientific experiments, done peacefully has even more of a chance to blossom into wonderful things.

Who said we make war to make discoveries? We have war...and we will have wars. But from almost every situation, some good can come from it.

Find the good.

My ancestors were driven off the land at gunpoint, land that had been in their family since the begining of their time here...most of them didn't even survive the forced march to dust bowl concentration camps which awaited them.

My own GGGrandmother was sold into slavery for cattle to remain in her home state.

But, from that my family survived and thrived.

I didn't say we should wage war for discoveries...but if war occurs...then thank Beloved Shiva some good is found without the depths of such darkness.

And some wars are absolutely a part of this world, soldiers have a deep duty here just as this humble mother. Finding the good in whatever our part in this drama makes all of this maddness somehow balance out.

OM GUY
02 October 2011, 07:36 PM
We have war...and we will have wars. But from almost every situation, some good can come from it.

Yes, like having no more wars. :rolleyes:

wundermonk
19 November 2011, 12:54 PM
For a while after the initial tests which reported that speed of light had been exceeded, everything was OK as the scientists had stated that they had not accurately synchronized the GPS clocks (?). Now, they have apparently redone the tests and the neutrons still clock faster than light :(

Story on this here (http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/17/8866223-faster-than-light-neutrinos-pass-test).

More sleepless nights for physicists around the globe for some time now.

NayaSurya
19 November 2011, 02:46 PM
When I heard this the other day I jumped for joy. What a wonderful thing.

Just as when the european's limited thinking claimed the world was flat and only from exceeding this claim did more learning come. So too it was time for our previous thinker and idea dreamer to become tested.

Often when one so Beloved makes theories, others are afraid to overcome them with new knowledge...it takes such an amazing discovery for things to finally move forward.

It remind me of when a man could not run a mile in under four minutes and once this was done, everyone began to do so...now it is standard time.

This was just the nudge we needed.<3

Mana
19 November 2011, 04:28 PM
Namaste,

Particles going backwards in time have been a part of the Quantum Electro Dynamic model since 1948, as Richard Feynmaneloquently demonstrated in his "diagrams" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feynman_diagram) ...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Feynmann_Diagram_Gluon_Radiation.svg/287px-Feynmann_Diagram_Gluon_Radiation.svg.pngThe left facing arrows depicted here, represent particles going backwards in time; this model was introduced and has been an effective working model since 1948.

However it would seem that just as particles have spin, so do scientific press releases.

This one conveniently covers another, which states that our standard model is wrong, at the very least it has a very large hole in it!

Where is the Higgs Boson? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXdrk6LC1eU&feature=youtu.be)

Oh... No God particle? (http://www.nature.com/news/higgs-hunt-enters-endgame-1.9399)

The times they are a changing, this has been predictable to the astute for a long time now, we are very slow to react; understandable with knowledge being transcendental few are those who see the big picture, Richard Feynman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman) was one.

Interesting times.


praNAma

mana