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wundermonk
22 November 2011, 03:15 AM
Story here (http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/50531-fleeing-hindus-seek-shelter.html).

I am sure Sonia Maino, Raoul Gandhi, Bianca Robert Gandhi, Manmohan Singh, Barkha Dutt, Prannoy James Roy, Suzanne Arundathi Roy, faculty members at JNU and others shed a silent tear for these oppressed minorities. I have no doubt whatsoever that they are working 24X7 around the clock to help these folks.


A group of 114 Bagris from Pakistan has sought shelter in Delhi. They refuse to return to Pakistan where they face persecution and worse.

Amidst heightened sectarian strife in Pakistan, both inter-community as well as intra-Islam, a small jatha of Hindu landless labourers has reached Delhi in quest of asylum and eventual citizenship. Growing incidents of abduction and forced conversion, especially of minor girls who disappear behind the veil, have instilled deep insecurity in the minority community over the years. Marauding tablighi groups are fuelling an incandescent intolerance of non-Muslims in society, and hatred for kafirs has acquired a chilling vibrancy.

Tensions are particularly high in Sindh, Balochistan and the North-West Frontier Province where Hindus are increasingly being forced to embrace Islam in order to survive. It is from Sindh that 114 Bagri community members have come to Delhi in the hope of settling down in some congenial place once the Government of India grants permission to stay.

The Bagris originally hail from Chittorgarh, Rajasthan, and claim their ancestors fought alongside Maharana Pratap. When Sindh opted for Pakistan at the time of partition, they found themselves beached in the new country. Bagris comprise around 10 per cent of Pakistan’s Hindu population; they worship Ram, Krishna, Hanuman and Durga.

In Pakistan, they were always the children of a lesser god. Group leaders Ganga Ram Bagri and Arjun Das Bagri say their generation was born in Pakistan and in their personal memory, things deteriorated sharply for Hindus under General Zia-ul-Haq. They do not remember earlier rulers, but hold General Pervez Musharraf as the best as he did not persecute Hindus. Even Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was not bad, they aver, but Benazir Bhutto was not good from a minority perspective. Indians who recall her hysterical ranting on Kashmir and crude gestures to dismember Governor Jagmohan would have no difficulty endorsing this view.

During the enhanced Islamisation of Pakistani society, the demolition of the Babri Masjid at Ayodhya was a distinct watershed. Hindu temples were looted and razed en masse with bulldozers, women were brutalised, priests were beaten up, and the community was terrorised. Now temples mostly survive as small shrines within homes. Hardly a handful still function in public places, mostly where the Hindu population is large or good Muslims protect them. The Ravidas Mandir in Haiderabad, Sindh, is still safe, as is the Balmiki temple because the community is needed for the services it provides.

But the intensified activism of the Tablighi Jamaat is making life increasingly hellish for Hindus. There is no sunwai (justice) when Hindu girls are kidnapped, converted, forced into marriage and never seen again. Fear is a constant companion. The al-jahaad (eternal fight) is menacing and all-pervasive.

The bitterest conflicts centre round the cremation of the dead, with tablighi adherents insisting on burials. There are violent fights every time a person dies, and in some places like Matiari, local Hindus have been forced to bury the dead in separate spaces, apart from the Muslim graveyards. This refugee group has successfully resisted burials by going far into the Sindh river to cremate the bodies on sandbars; but each death sees violence, for such is the hatred of Hindus.

Cumulative stress and encouragement from some visiting Hindu leaders made the Bagris secretly plan to return to their roots in India. Ganga Ram said they tried several times to get visas to visit India in the last five years, but were refused each time. Finally this year, they managed to join a jatha of 500 pilgrims, and armed with visas to visit multiple Indian cities like Amritsar, Haridwar, Raipur, Indore and others, crossed the Atari border on September 4.

After visiting the Golden Temple and spending four days at Amritsar, this group of 114 people arrived in Delhi on September 8 and took refuge at Dera Dhunni Das Ji at Majnu ka Tila. The current baba, Rajkumar Pappuji, is continuing a tradition established by his grandfather, Dhunni Dassji, who regularly visited Pakistan to give solace to his devotees and took care of those who arrived in India and did not wish to return. Under his guidance, the group has appealed to the Prime Minister, the President and the National Human Rights Commission for refugee status as their visas have long expired.

They are determined not to return, they say, for the sake of their religion and their daughters. The Bagris are now keen to educate their children as hitherto girls could not be educated for fear of their safety, and boys could not be educated as the education incited them against the faith and inevitably resulted in conversions. Ashram volunteer Naveen Jain observed that the women and girls have blossomed in their short stay in India. When they arrived barely a month ago, they used to cower behind black chadors; the volunteers literally tore these ‘masks’ off and told them to live and breathe freely. They have adapted beautifully.

The men hope to get work as agricultural labourers in neighbouring States as that is the only occupation they know. Pakistan, they reminiscence, is rich in water resources and food is plentiful; there is no real poverty. But there is too much beimani (cheating) and Hindu share-croppers are not given their dues, which forces many to convert to Islam under pressure. The large landlords of Sindh are brutal and some even maintain private jails where Hindu labourers are incarcerated at night, which means they are slaves and get no wages, only food for subsistence.

Rich Hindus are hardly better off, the Bagris reveal, as they are constantly harassed for protection money. Recently, on November 9, three Hindu doctors were shot dead at Chak town of Sindh; the police hinted at a dispute involving a girl. The Bagri refugees, however, said that as the attack took place on the day of Eid-ul-Adha, it was most likely part of an extortion racket flourishing in the area.

Undeniably, Sindh’s Hindu community lives in great anxiety and insecurity. On November 13, at a mass wedding organised by the Pakistan Hindu Council, hundreds took a pledge of allegiance to the state of Pakistan. This political gesture, completely out of sync with the social occasion, is a telling commentary on Pakistan’s inability to weave religious tolerance into its national ethos, and its insistence on Islam as the basis of nationhood even when Islam has utterly failed to weld any Muslim society together. Islam desperately needs a reformation to acknowledge non-Islamic factors like ancient civilisation, culture, or ethnicity, in the making of a nation.

PARAM
25 November 2011, 12:17 AM
Islam is not a faith but a terrorist organization of Hazrat 'The Terrorist' Muhammad, it become a faith for all dirty rotten.

wundermonk
27 November 2011, 07:48 AM
Story here (http://dailypioneer.com/pioneer-news/todays-newspaper/23514-pakistans-hindus-seek-india-sanctuary.html).

Come on Sonia Maino, Raoul Gandhi, Bianca Robert Gandhi, Manmohan Singh, Barkha Dutt, Prannoy James Roy, Suzanne Arundathi Roy and faculty members at JNU. Illegal immigrants from Bangladesh arent the only people who can be immediately given a ration card and made citizens of India.


Septuagenarian Lakshmi sits on a torn blanket inside a tent. She is finishing the last morsel of her lunch and says a small prayer thanking god that her roti has not come through hands that killed a cow.

In between bites, she says she wants her last rites performed according to Hindu rituals and that is what gave her the strength to leave the house where she had lived all her life.

Lakshmi is one of the 145 people who came to India on a tourist visa from Pakistan three months ago and have, since then, refused to return. She is among the Hindus living in Sindh Province of Pakistan. The group has pitched tents at an ashram and appealed to the Prime Minister for permanent shelter in India.

Hindus from Pakistan have left behind their houses, fields and shops hoping for a life free from fear. “We Hindus have been living a miserable life in the Muslim country. There are no jobs for us. We are not even given complete wage when we work in the fields. There is no future for me and my sons in Pakistan,” said Ganga Ram, who owns a pucca house and a grocery shop in Matiari district.

Ram is a graduate. However, his sons refused to go to high school, considering the degree in vain since they anyway would not get jobs. Ravi Prakash, alias Prince, has studied till fifth grade and worked as a labourer in Pakistan. He has now assembled a cart on his own and is selling mobile phone accessories.

“Since I don’t have permission to live here any more, I cannot go to far-off places. However, I manage to earn Rs 250-300 each day,” he says. Ram’s son dreams of a house in India and wants his two younger sisters to go to school.

Sagar Rai, who worked as a motor mechanic in Pakistan, says the life is unsafe there. “Our daughters are picked up from homes. The Muslims of Sindh province are forcing us to adopt Islam. They enter our houses and threaten us. We had no choice but to escape,” he explains.

Another refugee, Raj Kumari, asserts, “Here, we have the freedom to go to the temple. We don’t see men slaughtering cows. Here, even if we have to live under the open sky for the rest of our lives, we will.”

At the dera of Baba Rajkumar Ji at Majnu Ka Tila, women do daily chores like cooking and cleaning while the men have picked up odd jobs in the neighborhood. Small children — about 30 of them — study in a room.

“We have been trying to get a visa to India for about five years now. Each year, we would apply for a visit visa but it was rejected. This time, we applied for a tourist visa and got it for two months,” says Shoba Ram.

The visitors went to the Golden Temple in Amritsar and Har Ki Pauri at Haridwar. It has been a month now that their visas have expired. “We are hard working people and will be able to earn our own bread,” says Rukmani.

Dera devotee Basant Ramdhari adds, “They are all followers of Babaji and the doors of this ashram are open for anybody in need. They can live here till whenever they want.”

PARAM
27 November 2011, 10:36 AM
Hindus are attacked even in India by Secularists and there is no other choice for Hindus to fight back, dirty Muslims are doing every dirty trick to divide Hindus and destroy Dharma. Kaliyug is the time of Adharma rule but Dharma never ends.

Believer
14 December 2011, 09:10 PM
Namaste PARAM,


Hindus are attacked even in India......
That happens in our forum too.
You are fortunate that so far you have not been called a 'self styled defender of Hinduism', or a 'saffron terrorist', or a 'radical Hindu', or a 'blind Shastra follower', or an 'old-fashioned-stuck-in-the-mud-conventional-Hindu', or a yet to be coined 'new label'.

Pranam.

sm78
15 December 2011, 12:55 AM
I mainly used 'self styled defender of Hinduism' - couple of the other adjectives would be flattering somebody really. Noone here to my knowledge has any real connection with actual saffron organization (I used to) or profess radical views.

PARAM
17 December 2011, 09:09 AM
Namaste PARAM,


That happens in our forum too.
You are fortunate that so far you have not been called a 'self styled defender of Hinduism', or a 'saffron terrorist', or a 'radical Hindu', or a 'blind Shastra follower', or an 'old-fashioned-stuck-in-the-mud-conventional-Hindu', or a yet to be coined 'new label'.

Pranam.

I have never been called this way but I know what I have to answer to anti-Hindus in kickback method.


I mainly used 'self styled defender of Hinduism' - couple of the other adjectives would be flattering somebody really. Noone here to my knowledge has any real connection with actual saffron organization (I used to) or profess radical views.

Attacks from ant-Hindus is not surprising but accepting their views is not tolerable.

Satyamavejayante
18 December 2011, 07:12 PM
Story here (http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/50531-fleeing-hindus-seek-shelter.html).

I am sure Sonia Maino, Raoul Gandhi, Bianca Robert Gandhi, Manmohan Singh, Barkha Dutt, Prannoy James Roy, Suzanne Arundathi Roy, faculty members at JNU and others shed a silent tear for these oppressed minorities. I have no doubt whatsoever that they are working 24X7 around the clock to help these folks.

When are the Hindus going to wake up, first they take our land (now Pakistan) and then they boot us out of there, and still we have the weak and cowards who cant stand up and fight, but rather down and discourage the ones who do.

this is our Dharma we have to make our fate, and ive been taught that the week and the coward will call it fate, but the strong and the brave will say "I make my own fate', Hindus need to wake up and stop being secular.

wundermonk
22 December 2011, 03:28 AM
Continuing story of the utter impotence of the Indian state here (http://www.dailypioneer.com/pioneer-news/todays-newspaper/29626-why-no-asylum-to-terrified-pak-hindu-refugees-asks-hc.html):


Over 150 Pakistani Hindus facing danger of deportation following the expiry of their pilgrimage visa to India have found an interim relief from the Delhi High Court which directed the Center to not deport them till it decides the matter. Taking note of a PIL seeking grant of asylum or Indian citizenship to the Pakistan nationals, the court also sought the response from the Center by February 29.

“Let notices be issued to the Union Home Ministry and the Ministry of External Affairs for response by February 29,” said a bench of acting Chief Justice AK Sikri and Rajiv Sahai Endlaw. The petition was filed by Akhil Bharat Hindu Mahasabha on Wednesday.

The Pakistani Hindus had entered India on September 7 this year in two batches on valid visas for pilgrimage but refused to return to Pakistan citing threat to their lives. One Pakistani national also died during the period of their stay in India. The petitioner, Rakesh Ranjan, sought the grant of asylum or Indian citizenship to the 151 Pakistani nationals on the ground of humanity and considering the threat to their lives on their return to Pakistan or deportation to a third country.

“These Hindu families were left in the territory of Pakistan during the partition and since then they have been living in Pakistan as the most depressed and distress class. Among these 151 Pakistani nationals, teen-agers are in majority. Ironically, the parents, as well as children, cannot even read or write.

The Constitution of Pakistan is based on religious preferences and the Hindus have remained denied of any civil, political or fundamental rights,” the petitioner said.

Senior advocate Bhim Singh, appearing for Akhil Bharat Hindu Mahasabha, said these Pakistani nationals are facing the imminent danger of being deported back to Pakistan and, moreover, the Indian Government was not considering their representation for grant of either citizenship or asylum here despite the fact that they do not want to go back to Pakistan.

“The Pakistani Hindu nationals have also moved the petition to the President of India, the Prime Minister and National Human Rights Commission seeking asylum/citizenship for the reasons that their lives would be in grave threat if they return to Pakistan. India is a signatory to the Universal Declaration on Human Rights and the present situation demands urgent attention of the Government of India to provide due protection to the persons of minority community from Pakistan,” Singh submitted. The court, after taking note of the plea, directed the Government that the Pakistan nationals must not be deported back till it decides the petitions.

The petitioner also contended, “Forcible deportation is not only against the centuries old cultural heritage of India but also against Article 21 of the Constitution of India which guarantees fundamental right to life and liberty to every person residing within the boundaries of India.”

uttam
01 January 2012, 09:27 AM
the root cause of all the problem faced by hindus of the sub continent is congress party led by jawaharlal nehru and his family.after independence when pakistan declared itself as islamik country then india should have declared itself as hindu country as the partition was on the basis of religion. but jawarharlal nehru did not declare india as hindu state later his daughter indira declared india a secular country.the problem of kashmir also a product of jawaharlal's whims.i am ashamed of thinking that this great country is run by a part time christian waiter of bar and her muslim chamchas. NO BODY CARES THAT THE HINDUS ARE CONVERTED BY BOTH MUSLIM AND CHRISTIAN IN INDIA. WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE IS LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY SO THEIR CONVERSION FROM ISLAM TO CHRIST OR VICE VERSA MAKE NO DIFFERENCE . WE HAVE TO GET UNITED AND DEFEAT CONGRESS PARTY'S HIDDEN AGENDA OF GOING AGAINST HINDUS .

Believer
01 January 2012, 01:12 PM
Namaste,

WE HAVE TO GET UNITED AND DEFEAT CONGRESS PARTY'S HIDDEN AGENDA OF GOING AGAINST HINDUS .
A noble thought indeed, but how do we put it into practice?
Who would lead this United opposition?
Would everyone else blindly follow the designated leader, considering that we speak with a million different voices even in this small forum?
The forum has had many discussions about the 'ills of India', but no real solutions to deal with them.
One party champions the cause of Hindutava, and most others run away from it because they want to be known as progressive and secular. Even this Hindutava party has had very public power struggles from time to time.
Lack of common agenda and a charismatic leader come in the way of any talk of unity among the opposition, which by the way consists of Dalits, Upper caste Hindus and communists and the belligerent (hate anything associated with Hindi/Northerns) Tamils, Sikhs (who go to the ends of the earth to distance themselves from Hindus) and a hundred other groups with uncompromising divergent philosophies.

Pranam.

sankar
01 January 2012, 10:58 PM
We all know what happens if a student studies in a madrasa. The exactly same is done by education syllabus and medias (supported by the congress for the congress), and they decides how indians should be. Gandhi should not be seen as national hero anymore, what we see today is result of following gandhi's footsteps, he should be replaced with Bhagat Singh or Subash Chandra Bose or Savarkar. I think the only barrier which causing division among hindus is the caste system, this is the reason why veer savarkar and godse has given importance to abolishment of caste system as much as importance as Hindutva, Hindutva wont be possible unless caste system dies.

nitinsharma
02 January 2012, 01:34 AM
Nathuram Godse ki JAI!

PARAM
20 January 2012, 03:45 AM
We all know what happens if a student studies in a madrasa. The exactly same is done by education syllabus and medias (supported by the congress for the congress), and they decides how indians should be. Gandhi should not be seen as national hero anymore, what we see today is result of following gandhi's footsteps, he should be replaced with Bhagat Singh or Subash Chandra Bose or Savarkar. I think the only barrier which causing division among hindus is the caste system, this is the reason why veer savarkar and godse has given importance to abolishment of caste system as much as importance as Hindutva, Hindutva wont be possible unless caste system dies.

Anna Hazare is following Gandhi's footstep but have brain to think the right path, he knows he will even need the footsteps of Chatrapati Shivaji.

The caste system today available is the form of vote system that has no respect even for their own forefathers as family. Leaders of caste system makes case as their very strength to fight against the law of their own forefathers whose family is they are.

Yava Dari
21 January 2012, 12:31 PM
http://tribune.com.pk/story/324799/mass-conversions-for-matlis-poor-hindus-lakshmi-lies-in-another-religion/

We have to let these people in. The above article in Pakistan's Tribune shows what waits for them there.

PARAM
25 January 2012, 10:47 AM
http://tribune.com.pk/story/324799/mass-conversions-for-matlis-poor-hindus-lakshmi-lies-in-another-religion/

We have to let these people in. The above article in Pakistan's Tribune shows what waits for them there.

Terrorist Hazrat Muhammad's terror wing is directly killing everyone, nobody will live in peace. Blood thirst of Muslims will never stop, they will convert all and kill even each other.

charitra
15 April 2013, 10:39 AM
Attacks on non muslim minorities is a common practice in muslim nations and sadly they all largely go unnoticed. Please read:
Americans Demand Justice For Persecuted Hindus In Bangladesh in White House Demonstration (http://www.hinduismtoday.com/blogs-news/hindu-press-international/americans-demand-justice-for-persecuted-hindus-in-bangladesh-in-white-house-demonstration/12817.html)

Hindu American Foundation

WASHINGTON, D.C., April 12, 2013 (HAF): "We want justice, we want justice," was the chant heard from a crowd of over 300 demonstrators, mostly of Bengali origin, on Wednesday in front of the White House. The rally, organized by the Bangladesh Hindu Buddhist Christian Unity Council (BHBCUC) and the Hindu American Foundation (HAF), urged the United States government to use its influence to stop the rampant persecution of Hindus and other religious minorities in Bangladesh.

"The recent tragedies faced by the Hindu community of Bangladesh are reflective of the violent attacks that we faced in 1971 and again in 2001," said Sitanghsu Guha, an advisor to BHBCUC. "In a report presented to Congress, Senator Ted Kennedy shed invaluable light on the targeting of Bangladesh's Hindu community during the country's 1971 war of independence from Pakistan. There are details of the tremendous loss of life, hundreds of thousands of women raped, and the nearly ten million people displaced. It is in that spirit that we urge the U.S. government to offer its support to Bangladesh in this critical time. If the U.S. fails to act now, there may be no Hindus left in Bangladesh."

Protesters arrived in chartered buses from New York, New Jersey, Georgia, and as far as California to join local DC area residents. Recent months have seen a sharp rise in violence perpetrated against Hindus, Buddhists, Ahmadi Muslims, Christians, and atheists in Bangladesh by Islamist groups after the first of three Jamaat-e-Islami (JeI) leaders was convicted for committing war crimes during the country's 1971 War of Independence from Pakistan. JeI and other groups are widely believed to have instigated the current spate of violence.

"The situation in Bangladesh is getting worse by the day. The demands of the protesters to President Obama and American lawmakers to stop the violence in Bangladesh are urgent for not only the safety of Bangladeshis, but U.S. security interests in the region." said Jay Kansara, HAF Associate Director. "Bangladesh has witnessed increasing religious fundamentalism for decades to the demise of all its minority communities who have bore the brunt of violent attacks and killings."

Earlier in the day, a small delegation of leaders from BHBCUC and HAF met with Congressional offices to request a hearing on the persecution of religious minorities in Bangladesh in the House Foreign Affairs Committee and Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission. The delegation also requested groups perpetrating violence against religious minorities in Bangladesh, like the Jamaat-e-Islami and its affiliates, be put on U.S. designated terrorist lists

wundermonk
15 April 2013, 01:23 PM
Attacks on non muslim minorities is a common practice in muslim nations

Not surprising at all. Absent reconversion/outright war, Hindus should migrate out of places where Muslims are in a majority. Or, Hindus should procreate sufficiently that they recapture numerical strength. Or, there should be a massive reconversion campaign to reclaim our lost ground. Or, there should be an outright war on Islam. Or, Hindus should convert to Islam if they would like to live amongst Muslims. I believe Muslims are kind enough to provide this option to Kafirs in their midst before they escalate the situation a notch.

charitra
17 April 2013, 07:38 AM
Hindus should migrate out of places where Muslims are in a majority. Or, Hindus should procreate sufficiently that they recapture numerical strength. .

Politicians dont ever support the cause of these persecuted hindu minority suffering in Pakistan and Bangladesh as they dont constitute a ‘vote bank’. Also It is a shame the media ignore the news as it is not ‘liberal enough’ or not in support of the minorities (of India). They all deserve asylum in India and Nepal. They must be resettled in Kashmir in my opinion. Now it is in the hands of a few caring hindus who must write to the judges of supreme court and make it a legal case of human rights violation to make their case strong. Read:[/font]

A delegation of Pakistani Hindus and the VHP Wednesday submitted a memorandum to the UN explaining the violation of their rights in Pakistan, and requesting rehabilitation in India.[/font]

"We have requested the UN to provide relief to the Pakistani Hindus as they are being attacked and tortured there. We have submitted a memorandum," Rajiv Gupta, one of the VHP representatives, told IANS.[/font]

Holding placards and tricolours in their hands, several Pakistani Hindus gathered outside the UN Information Centre at Lodhi Road and raised slogans, demanding that they be allowed to stay in India.[/font]
http://www.samachar.com/Pakistani-Hindus-submit-memorandum-to-UN-nerqKVfhafh.html (http://www.samachar.com/Pakistani-Hindus-submit-memorandum-to-UN-nerqKVfhafh.html)

Believer
17 April 2013, 09:56 AM
Namaste,

It is a shame that the Indian Govt., the media and the general population ignore the plight of the Hindus in muslim lands and think of it as 'their problem'. The outside world seems to have accepted muslims as the oppressive, single-minded, religious zealots and anything they do is shrugged off. Sad, sad, sad!

Pranam.

Shivam
11 May 2013, 12:00 PM
In Pakistan, "Muslims...treat conversions (of Hindus) such as Rinkle Kumari, as a trophy." here (http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/minorities-in-a-naya-pakistan/article4703142.ece)

Necromancer
11 May 2013, 10:27 PM
Namaste.

India has long been a land of 'refuge' from oppressive regimes.

One just has to look no further than the Dalai Lama and the atrocities in Tibet.

It is easy to blame Islam without looking at the bigger picture.

Whenever you have a large country with an exploitable population, they will be exploited by other parties with 'vested interests'.

It's one of the downfalls of the human condition....of reckless greed and capitalism...no matter which way you look at it.

There's also always going to be problems for Hindus living in Pakistan and Muslims living in India on a geographical basis alone.

It is indeed unfortunate, but not without understanding or due cause here.

Aum Namah Shivaya

dogra
05 June 2013, 07:19 AM
This is case of some corrupt Indian politicians not bothered, just look at stituation regarding Kashmiri Pandits, why have they not returned back ti Kashmir valley.
Pakistani Hindus should be allowed right of residence in India, otherwise Pakistani Hindus will be converted by next century, its just a matter of time.
At least organisations like Agniveer are doing something about this:
http://agniveer.com/another-free-medical-camp-from-agniveer-for-pakistani-hindus/

Bravo Agniveer team