Is the White World becoming more Racist

[Indra]

-In America White Terrorists plans to kill Obama
-In Hungary the Magyar Garda assisinates Gypsies
-Czech Party wants to deport Gypsies "back to India"
-In Germany persons got killed recently for being non-white, mostly turkish origin people
-Bulgarian Hooligans attack mosques, gypsies etc.
-In Russia they kill non-whites on a daily basis, mostly swarthy people from caucasus
-In Holland they insult mohammed, other european countries follow
In Scandinavia we got the Terrorist Breivik
-Stromfront numbers above 100.000 active members
White Supremacism grows like mashmallows on the internet

[TTCUSM]

Indra,

You might want to replace "white" with "Christian". Christendom has always been racist.

The Bible mentions something called the "Curse of Ham", which states that all of humanity is descended from three sons of Noah-- Ham, Shem, and Japheth. Ham was the ancestor of African people, Japheth was the ancestor of Europeans, and Shem was the ancestor of Semitic people.

According to a story in Genesis, Ham's descendants were cursed by his father Noah. This was used in America to justify slavery (so much for the claim that Christianity is egalitarian).

During the 1960s, Dr. Martin Luther King led a Civil Rights Movement for the upliftment of African Americans. This movement was inspired by Mahatma Gandhi's non-violent struggle against the British Raj. It led to a temporary period of equality, but it may not last very long if the West returns to its old ways.

[Eastern Mind]

-In America White Terrorists plans to kill Obama
-In Hungary the Magyar Garda assisinates Gypsies
-Czech Party wants to deport Gypsies "back to India"
-In Germany persons got killed recently for being non-white, mostly turkish origin people
-Bulgarian Hooligans attack mosques, gypsies etc.
-In Russia they kill non-whites on a daily basis, mostly swarthy people from caucasus
-In Holland they insult mohammed, other european countries follow
In Scandinavia we got the Terrorist Breivik
-Stromfront numbers above 100.000 active members
White Supremacism grows like mashmallows on the internet

Vannakkam Indra: Good to see you posting again. I think its really hard to tell. Certainly in some cases the white races have become less racial. There is greater tolerance, lees slavery, more politicians of ethnic minorites, etc. But I feel what you point out has some truth to it. Maybe those people who were leaning in that direction have just leaned a little further. At the moment they seem to still be in the minority, thank goodness. I don't know of any good scientific studies on the matter.

Within SD, there is less racism towards whites, at least vocalised racism.

Aum Namasivaya

[Indra]

Vannakkam Indra: Good to see you posting again. I think its really hard to tell. Certainly in some cases the white races have become less racial. There is greater tolerance, lees slavery, more politicians of ethnic minorites, etc. But I feel what you point out has some truth to it. Maybe those people who were leaning in that direction have just leaned a little further. At the moment they seem to still be in the minority, thank goodness. I don't know of any good scientific studies on the matter.

Within SD, there is less racism towards whites, at least vocalised racism.

Aum Namasivaya

Namaste!

Also True.

[Satyamavejayante]

-In America White Terrorists plans to kill Obama
-In Hungary the Magyar Garda assisinates Gypsies
-Czech Party wants to deport Gypsies "back to India"
-In Germany persons got killed recently for being non-white, mostly turkish origin people
-Bulgarian Hooligans attack mosques, gypsies etc.
-In Russia they kill non-whites on a daily basis, mostly swarthy people from caucasus
-In Holland they insult mohammed, other european countries follow
In Scandinavia we got the Terrorist Breivik
-Stromfront numbers above 100.000 active members
White Supremacism grows like mashmallows on the internet

Namaste,

Well I think its always been racist, there has always been underlying racism in the white society, its only been put in the attic till the 9/11 attacks, and now its been used as a excuse especially in the USA, in other countries i can only say about Australia, and to look at its history and the treatment and plight of the Aborigines will itself send fear and discomfort into any human beings heart, but not the whites, they rather have them extinct then to have a guilty conscience.

[issacnewton]

indra

what is "racialist arm of hindutva" . the term racialist is usually used by
white supremacists . why are you using it here. ?

[NayaSurya]

I will answer, no.

Then I will ask you one question in return....

Is this you.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HlQasXJk_pAJ:www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php%3Fp%3D1344817+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

809


The world has far too much hate/ignorance. It even darkens this bright door I suppose.

[NayaSurya]

810

811

For every one of you out there...

Out here....in the distance...I am raising 8 to be un-like you.

[Arjuni]

Namasté and thank you, dear NayaSurya.

Indraneela
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Oṁ Indrāya Namaḥ.
Oṁ Namaḥ Śivāya.

[Believer]

Namaste Naya,

I thought that post looked too kinky and insane to be touched. You confirmed that. Thanks.

Pranam.

[JaiMaaDurga]

Namaste,

The topic is one which reminds me of the dual nature of all technological advances; just as a blade can slice vegetables or throats, depending on the hand that wields it, so too can the internet unite geographically separate persons of like-mindedness, whether for positive, beneficial purposes such as a charity (or HDF :) )- or for negative and harmful agendas like white supremacy, neo-nazis etc.

What stands out for me is that particular wrinkle of the internet's effect on what had previously been isolated or marginalized persons; again, this can be very positive (an example being online support groups for survivors of sexual abuse, where the combination of relative anonymity and the realization they are not alone provides a safe stepping-stone toward recovery)- or very negative... the example being hatred-based groups or individuals (that would never attempt to openly propagandize or recruit within their local community, for fear of the public condemnation and ostracization that would follow) misrepresenting themselves as far more powerful and organized than they really are; their target audience can be exposed to a far more explicit pornography of hatred, elitism, and violence via the privacy of the computer screen, than any mass media campaign...

The increase of economic uncertainty and political unrest historically seem to increase the overall level of ethnocentrism and reactionary behavior everywhere; the trope of foreigner-as-parasite finds itself becoming more easily embraced in minds once wary of it. The need for a societal scapegoat becomes more pressing, in the presence of amorphous and complex webs of responsibility, and the absence of clear, direct and lasting solutions.

Sadly, I expect to see a slight rise in racism and ultranationalism generally... but thankfully, it is far more difficult to commit atrocities or genocidal acts unnoticed in the "information age"....

May Maa bless and keep those of Her children still afflicted daily by this ancient and pernicious asura!

PS I'd started to reply to this earlier, was interrupted, and did not finish/post until after isaacnewton and NayaSurya had replied. I had not noticed the "Racialist Arm" bit until reading those replies. My simple, racially impure, mongrel mind cannot begin to fathom the highly aberrant and darkly convoluted path such a one's thinking has taken to arrive at this point... a variant on the Stockholm Syndrome, perhaps? I am left with a sort of sour and stale pity. Many thanks to NayaSurya for shedding light where it was needed.

JAI MATA DI

[kallol]

The story of permanence to temporary to permanence goes on in different form at different levels.

Here is it reactions to earlier reactions, etc. Why these reactions ? Because something happened. There has been something which tried to change the equillibrium of the society.

The transition is always painful to the next level of equillibrium.

There have been huge wars to establish equillibriums.

These are only small incidents in comparision

[wundermonk]

810


Wow... :-(

If that is indeed Indra I suggest a :banhim:

HDF is NOT stormfront.

[Spiritualseeker]

Namaste,


-In America White Terrorists plans to kill Obama
-In Hungary the Magyar Garda assisinates Gypsies
-Czech Party wants to deport Gypsies "back to India"
-In Germany persons got killed recently for being non-white, mostly turkish origin people
-Bulgarian Hooligans attack mosques, gypsies etc.
-In Russia they kill non-whites on a daily basis, mostly swarthy people from caucasus
-In Holland they insult mohammed, other european countries follow
In Scandinavia we got the Terrorist Breivik
-Stromfront numbers above 100.000 active members
White Supremacism grows like mashmallows on the internet

I feel that racism is very deeply rooted in many different lands. I do not know if it is getting worse or just more apparent.

Looking at some of your post from the other forum they seem to be very strange. Your hatred for Marxism is also humorous. I wonder at all these worlds we live from. You have your world, I have mine, others have theirs. How strange that we live in what seem like different realities, but in reality they are just conditioned changing things, while Reality is unchanging.


Om Namah Shivaya

[NayaSurya]

What confounded me even more, is the fact this one, so seated in hatred would be infact, one who knows about hatred and prejudice first hand due to his own minority status.

Thank Shiva, I was raised in a global community of lil nations represented by goodly families from all over the world. I saw this world and knew it to be beautiful, diverse and wonderful.

A child with a GG Grandmother who was technically a slave in this state. Yet, found myself often judged for my own color(or lack of color).

As blonde hair blue eyed child...was a minority in my own school when my family finally bought a home off base, which was predominantly full of children of diverse colors. I was treated poorly by many, for something which I had no control over...the racial stereotype of my spawning!

We are NOT these bodies....we are NOT.

The more and more one obsesses over this covering...the more one becomes nothing but this covering.

An animal...a beast.

Rise above, every color and nationality.

When one fully knows the Truth of our birthright...can there be anything left to feel but Love?

[Indra]

What confounded me even more, is the fact this one, so seated in hatred would be infact, one who knows about hatred and prejudice first hand due to his own minority status.

Thank Shiva, I was raised in a global community of lil nations represented by goodly families from all over the world. I saw this world and knew it to be beautiful, diverse and wonderful.

A child with a GG Grandmother who was technically a slave in this state. Yet, found myself often judged for my own color(or lack of color).

As blonde hair blue eyed child...was a minority in my own school when my family finally bought a home off base, which was predominantly full of children of diverse colors. I was treated poorly by many, for something which I had no control over...the racial stereotype of my spawning!

We are NOT these bodies....we are NOT.

The more and more one obsesses over this covering...the more one becomes nothing but this covering.

An animal...a beast.

Rise above, every color and nationality.

When one fully knows the Truth of our birthright...can there be anything left to feel but Love?

Namaskar,
Im sorry for your experiences. I had similar experiences being the only dark hair and brown [note: light transparent brown or beige a light coloour brown] skin child in the school. I really dont hate white people. My aim was to raise awareness of rising racism and since i live in a white country im more concerned with white racism which will hit me and not black racism which is less probable to hit me, we dont have many blacks here.

I also dont take much offense in white people, seriously i live in all white area.

BUT

-Im against mixing races out of existence, i mean a few can mix if they want but social engineering in TV and Media to create a mix race of humans on earth with everyone the same facial expression is what i stand against.
-Every race needs it space...so i stand for integration of roma gypsies to india, if indians agree, not a country in india or any form of governance just being normal citizens. I think gypsies who are mixed or married to an european person can stay in europe if they want.

[nitinsharma]

I know ill get flak for this,but its the truth;so love it or hate it:


If you are a hindu.....you are racist(in some degree atleast).Of course nowadays the meaning of the word "racist" is so convoluted that racism is considered worse than rape.Nuff said......


Now,for the self-contradictory hippies,go on:

[Eastern Mind]

If you are a hindu.....you are racist(in some degree atleast).

Vannakkam: So you've met all one billion of us, and observed our actions long enough to make this determination. :) How interesting.

To some degree, I agree. I think it is a natural mechanism of the mind to categorise people, just to keep things simpler, like we recognise species of dogs. So we naturally put all people into groups, political, language, gender, race, height, age, etc. etc. But that's it. Once we figure that out, we try our best to individualise each person and not jump to conclusions too quicky.

Aum Namasivaya

[Believer]

Namaste,


If you are a hindu.....you are racist(in some degree atleast).
I was curious if you include yourself in this 1 billion large "racist" group? (I am assuming that you are a Hindu and living in Bharat.)
And if so, how do you manifest your racism? Do you treat people of other religions/ethnicities/nationalities as if they were less than human beings, or at least less than you?
Does your racism extend to other lower caste Hindus as well?
Do you always wear your caste on your sleeve, even with all your human flaws?
Does your superiority result in your living in a 'farm house' away from the town, where all the low lives live?
Just interested in your lifestyle and your behavior towards others, whom you consider to be belonging to 'lower' races.
Are you in the habit of periodically throwing a firecracker in the forum and then running away only to watch the fun from afar, or do you constructively engage in a debate to justify your statements?
Are you mature enough to call yourself a man, or are you just an overgrown weed, totally devoid of any intelligence?
Please enlighten us with your wisdom, O Great Master!

Pranam.

[Ramakrishna]

Namaste,


I know ill get flak for this,but its the truth;so love it or hate it:


If you are a hindu.....you are racist(in some degree atleast).Of course nowadays the meaning of the word "racist" is so convoluted that racism is considered worse than rape.Nuff said......


Now,for the self-contradictory hippies,go on:

That's an absurd statement. You say the word "racist" is convoluted, but what is the exact definition of racism?

rac·ism
noun \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
"a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism


So you believe that a particular race is inherently superior to others? You may be a racist, but don't go and label all Hindus as racists. Before you rail about "political correctness" or whatnot, you need to realize that racism is exactly what it is: a vile and destructive viewpoint that has caused much damage and violence to our beautiful earth. In fact, racism along with Abrahamic religions (which are often intertwined) have been the most destructive forces in the history of mankind and they both are driven by an intense superiority complex. It's one thing to think that Sanatana Dharma is the greatest religion/way of life there is, but to think that all Hindus, Indians, etc. are inherently superior to others is evil and false.

Jai Sri Ram

[nitinsharma]

Dear "Believer",Ramakrishan ji first off throw off that so called definition of racism you'll have(bin that dictionary).Consider it as having some you know well,pride.

Unfortunately,if you endorse hinduism,it comes with a thing called the "chaturvarna" sytem.I don't think I have to go on here.And make no mistake about it (hippies may tell you otherwise),it is the oldest,most racist categorization of people,like ever.BASED ON SKIN COLOR.Simple????Easy to remember??

And I used to think stromfont was full of self-contradictory posers....

Oh,told you I'd get the flak:Cool:.

[Believer]

Namaste,

Chaturvarna is based on skin color? :)
You being a brahmin must be very very fair and well educated and privileged?


Here are some quotes from your very first thread in the forum:

I'm Nitin,a Hindu-Brahmin from India.

I think I am right to be proud of my caste and will continue to do so.

Without this caste barrier there would be little to no conversions,true.......but then how will we be different from the abrahamists?????Do not look at caste like a confused Ambedkar supporter or something.It is much more than a basis of discrimination.



.......an Oriya Brahmin but converted to christianity .............
............ this guy introduced me to borderline 'metal' which was bsically christian music with screaming and stuff.

And ....... I realized (it) was everything I had ever craved for.........

........and here I am,hoping to join the RSS some day

Please read them again and tell us where you stand on the varna system. Maybe you are consistent in your thinking and are not communicating it to us properly. And for future discussions, can you recommend a dictionary that we should be looking up to get the definition of the terms that you use, like 'racism'? Just a request, so that we can understand you better.

Pranam.

[nitinsharma]

Look...let me get this straight:
I do not endorse racism and I did not say so about me or anyone for that matter.I might have engaged in CASUAL xenophobia once a while but that's about it.

Now,my understanding of the caste system definitely isn't perfect......but of course,I feel its perfect.And that dictionary thing was a joke.:D.

[Spiritualseeker]

Dear "Believer",Ramakrishan ji first off throw off that so called definition of racism you'll have(bin that dictionary).Consider it as having some you know well,pride.

Unfortunately,if you endorse hinduism,it comes with a thing called the "chaturvarna" sytem.I don't think I have to go on here.And make no mistake about it (hippies may tell you otherwise),it is the oldest,most racist categorization of people,like ever.BASED ON SKIN COLOR.Simple????Easy to remember??

And I used to think stromfont was full of self-contradictory posers....

Oh,told you I'd get the flak:Cool:.

Namaste,

What is your beef with hippies? Many hippies actually renounced the world and became Sadhu. If you notice there are many hippies that are protesting against the injustices in the US. Not only do far right Christian fundamentalist attack them, but also you. How strange, yet how fortunate for it shows something of their character as being those that want to go against the norm.


If by hinduism you mean books, rules, and regulations, then perhaps you may find what you are suggesting in some of those works. Hinduism is vast. Sanatana Dharma includes all sorts of systems. I cannot see how someone who practices Advaita, Shaivism, or many of the other great vehicles of enlightenment would have a racist view. Racism is conditioned. It is not natural. Kids put together with other kids of other races will get along fine as long as they do not have their parents influence.

Om Namah Shivaya

[NayaSurya]

Just to clarify, hippies is a long ago thing here. They only exist in halloween constumes now.

In america we call those brave cold folks protesting..."hipsters"

Just to clarify:p

[Spiritualseeker]

lol there are some remnants of dread locked hippies. It is rare to see them, but some are around. Mostly revolutionaries (peaceful). Some of the most kind people I have met.

[nitinsharma]

Namaste,

Kids put together with other kids of other races will get along fine as long as they do not have their parents influence.


Dear God,that is Quite THE evil idea you have right there...Hmmm.Grounds for banning if I were ADMIN around here.


Dear,dear my guess couldn't have been more spot on....remember this pretty passage??:


"Hello everyone,

My name is Juan, I am 23. I live in the United States. I have no particular religion, but for the past 7 years I was practicing Islam. I am married. Now im soul searching a bit. I am interested in learning what the Hindu Faith offers concerning self realization. I look foward to learning from everyone."

No wonder you can't help but defend hippies.....Islam was once hip wasn't it...DUDE????

P.S(edit):Lol??????This isn't a rap forum.

[NayaSurya]

Oh my goodness! I just realized that the whole root of the hipster movement is a new sort of hippie.

I think George Carlin would roll over in his crypt if he could see the auto tune/lil wayne/justin beiber disaster which is hipster culture.:p

[Spiritualseeker]

Dear God,that is Quite THE evil idea you have right there...Hmmm.Grounds for banning if I were ADMIN around here.


Dear,dear my guess couldn't have been more spot on....remember this pretty passage??:


"Hello everyone,

My name is Juan, I am 23. I live in the United States. I have no particular religion, but for the past 7 years I was practicing Islam. I am married. Now im soul searching a bit. I am interested in learning what the Hindu Faith offers concerning self realization. I look foward to learning from everyone."

No wonder you can't help but defend hippies.....Islam was once hip wasn't it...DUDE????

P.S(edit):Lol??????This isn't a rap forum.

Namaste,

I would not say Islam is hip. Far from it. I transitioned into Islam, because I lost faith in my Abrahamic religion of Christianity and wanted to cling to another Abrahamic faith instead of stepping into the unknown. I am not sure what this has to do with the thread? Are you being hostile or is this for jest? Surely, you are not threatened by me, because after all we are only speaking about ideas which are just bubbles of thoughts. Regardless, you and I are only aspects of each other. If you dislike something in me, perhaps that something is in you, or if I dislike something in you, perhaps there is something in me that is similar.

Om Namah Shivaya

[nitinsharma]

So you mean you were once christian....TOOO......:Roll::Roll::Roll::laugh::laugh:.
Dude,you just made my weekend.

[Ramakrishna]

Namaste,


Consider it as having some you know well,pride.


"One cannot attain divine knowledge till one gets rid of pride."
- Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa

[Spiritualseeker]

So you mean you were once christian....TOOO.......
Dude,you just made my weekend.

Namaste,

I was raised in a family that claimed to be Christian, though we were not taught much about it. I am glad that I made your day.

http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.5744757.5768/flat,550x550,075,f.jpg

Om Namah Shivaya

[Adhvagat]

Namaste,

Chaturvarna is based on skin color? :)
You being a brahmin must be very very fair and well educated and privileged?

Here are some quotes from your very first thread in the forum:

[...]

Please read them again and tell us where you stand on the varna system. Maybe you are consistent in your thinking and are not communicating it to us properly. And for future discussions, can you recommend a dictionary that we should be looking up to get the definition of the terms that you use, like 'racism'? Just a request, so that we can understand you better.

Pranam.

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