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wundermonk
13 March 2012, 08:16 PM
Story here (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Forced-conversion-of-Hindus-in-Pakistan-jolts-US-out-of-slumber/articleshow/12256632.cms).


WASHINGTON: Pakistan's state-endorsed discrimination, and in some cases extermination, of its minorities has finally caught the eye of Washington lawmakers.

Coming on the heels of support in Congress for a Baloch homeland in the face of Islamabad's depredations in the region, a US Congressman has zeroed in on the abduction and forced religious conversion of Hindus in the country highlighted by the case of Rinkel Kumari .

In a sharply-worded letter to Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari, Congressman Brad Sherman urged him to take action to ensure the return of Rinkel Kumari to her family, pursuant to reports that she had been abducted with the help of a Pakistan People's Party (PPP) lawmaker.

In a case that has been widely reported in the liberal Pakistani media, Rinkel , who was abducted on February 24, was forced to marry one Naveed Shah and convert to Islam .

She was subsequently produced before a civil judge twice ,but she was reportedly coerced into claiming that she had converted on her own will, even as her family was denied access to her in kangaroo court proceedings that revealed in video clips to be led by a frenzied mob of zealots , including armed followers of the Pakistani lawmaker .

According to Pakistani civil liberties activists in Washington, Rinkel was allegedly threatened while in police custody that if she did not change her statement, she and her family would be killed.

"Rinkel's case is just one case of abduction and forced religious conversion in Pakistan," Sherman said in the letter to Zardari, citing the Asian Human Rights commission figure of 20-25 kidnappings and forced conversions of Hindu girls in Sindh every month.

The Rinkel Kumari case was brought to the attention of US lawmakers not by Hindu activists but by the Sindhi American Political Action Committee (SAPAC ), a lobby group that , like the Baloch groups , is increasingly asserting the secular and syncretic identity of Pakistan's Sindhi community in the face of growing Islamization in the country .

Sapac activists are telling US lawmakers that state sponsored discrimination against minority groups in Pakistan is rampant and is causing Hindus to migrate out of Pakistan in droves.

Two thoughts.

(1)There is nothing new here. This is the modus-operandi of Mohammedans since the time of Mo back in the 8th century Arabian desert.

(2)When will stupid INDIAN politicians develop spine to address this and other issues?

sm78
14 March 2012, 12:09 AM
Story here (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Forced-conversion-of-Hindus-in-Pakistan-jolts-US-out-of-slumber/articleshow/12256632.cms).



Two thoughts.

(1)There is nothing new here. This is the modus-operandi of Mohammedans since the time of Mo back in the 8th century Arabian desert.

6th century arabian desert to be precise.



(2)When will stupid INDIAN politicians develop spine to address this and other issues?
Never, since with each passing day the minority vote bank is getting more and more important as minorities or muslims are not going down numerically but up.

So soaps for muslims can only go up in future. Naive idiot tv presenters were proudly proclaiming that muslims during UP elections did not buy the exuberent promises made by congress - overlooking the fact that they voted SP which outbid the congress in terms of soaps to muslims.

India will not get any better, not just in terms of minority appeasement, and sometimes I feel stupid not to have emigrated out of this country.

PARAM
14 March 2012, 12:17 AM
No country in the world is safe to Islam, this Islam is destroying everything. Indian secular politicians want votes and Hindus are badly devided.

No wonder these are Hindus themselves who are helping Muslims in India, thus creating serious troubles for India.

Hindus needs another Shivaji, another Surajmal, another Mihirbhoj, another Karikal, another Maharana Pratap, another Prithviraj Chauhan, another Dahir, another Jaypal.

charitra
14 March 2012, 08:29 AM
Zardari's intervention sought against forcible conversions

Washington, Mar 14, 2012, (PTI)
A US lawmaker has written to Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari asking him to look into the matter of the ''forcible conversion'' of a Hindu girl and ensure her safe return to her family.

In a strongly-worded letter, dated March 12, Brad Sherman, a lawmaker from California urged Zardari to take steps to ensure that those responsible for such acts are held accountable.

"I urge you to take action to ensure the safe return of this girl to her family," Sherman said in his letter to Zardari, referring to the case of a Hindu girl named Rinkel Kumari, who was allegedly abducted from her home in Mirpur Mathelo, in the Sindh province of Pakistan.

Sherman said Rinkel's family has alleged that she abducted on February 24, forced to marry a Muslim man named Naveed Shah and convert to Islam.

"Rinkel was reportedly held in custody with the help of Mian Mohammad Aslam, the son of Pakistan People's Party Member of National Assembly Mian Mitho in Bharchundi Shareef, where she was forced to marry a Muslim man and convert to Islam," he said in the letter.

On February 25, Rinkel was brought before a civil judge, who ruled in favour of Naveed Shah and she was taken into custody for two days at Sukkur police station, the Congressman said.

"Rinkel was allegedly threatened with violence while in police custody to make her change her statement," he claimed.

He said on February 27, Rinkel appeared in court again and this time her relatives were reportedly not allowed inside the court. During this second hearing, Rinkel was returned to Naveed Shah's custody.

"Rinkel's family is unaware of the whereabouts of their daughter," Sherman said in his letter.

"Unfortunately Rinkel Kumari's case is just one case of abduction and forced religious conversion in Pakistan. According to the Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC), around 20-25 forced kidnappings and conversions of Hindu girls in Sindh every month.

"I urge you to take all necessary steps to bring an end to this practice and other harassment of Hindus in Pakistan," Sherman said.

Rinkle has reportedly told a court that she voluntarily converted and married a Muslim man.

Sherman's letter comes in the wake of the campaign by the Sindhi American Political Action Committee, a lobby group for the Sindhi community in the US.

Seeker123
14 March 2012, 01:46 PM
Story here (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Forced-conversion-of-Hindus-in-Pakistan-jolts-US-out-of-slumber/articleshow/12256632.cms).

Two thoughts.

(1)There is nothing new here. This is the modus-operandi of Mohammedans since the time of Mo back in the 8th century Arabian desert.

(2)When will stupid INDIAN politicians develop spine to address this and other issues?


Did you know that precisely today Sri Sri is in Pakistan delivering lectures to packed audiences - students, political leaders, clerics. Maybe he should use his status to make some comments.

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-god-not-in-99-names-or-1000-idols-sri-sri-in-pak/20120312.htm

wundermonk
16 March 2012, 05:19 AM
More depressing news here (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Hindu-girls-are-forced-to-marry-Muslims-Pakistani-president-Asif-Ali-Zardaris-sister/articleshow/12280383.cms).


ISLAMABAD: Acknowledging that Hindus face a lot of challenges in Sindh, sister of Pakistan president Asif Ali Zardari said in Pakistan's parliament on Thursday that Hindu girls are being forcibly kept in madrassas in the province and are forced to marry Muslims.

The remarks by Azra Fazal Pechuho, a lawmaker of the ruling Pakistan People's Party, came against the backdrop of the Pakistan supreme court's recent directive to authorities to produce three Hindu women who were allegedly kidnapped in Sindh.

Two of the women - Rinkle Kumari and Lata Kumari - have told magistrates they voluntarily converted.

Speaking in the National Assembly or lower house of parliament on the issue of Rinkle Kumari, Pechuho said Hindus faced a lot of challenges in Sindh.

She stressed the need for laws to protect the rights of minority communities and to end forced conversions.

Nafeesa Shah, another lawmaker from Sindh, endorsed Pechuho's stand and said parliament should introduce legislation on forced conversions.

How come the Mohammedan sense of propriety erupts into violence when a Quran is improperly disposed but the Mohammedan finds it perfectly okay to abduct and forcefully convert Hindu women?

Where are all the elite media folks on this issue and why isnt this on the news 24x7? Where are prominent Indian Mohammedans on this issue and why are they silent?

Is there no humanity left in the Mohammedan, Indian, Pakistani or otherwise?

PARAM
17 March 2012, 12:20 AM
Islam is a deadly Virus

Somebody who comes into the effect of that virus is sure to become a Zombie. Islam virus is spreading everywhere and Muslim Zombies are creating problem everywhere. Use Dharma Raksha complete security to delete Islam.

charitra
19 March 2012, 07:46 AM
Hindus terrified by forced conversions to Islam in BalochistanSource :

Last Updated: Mon, Mar 19, 2012 17:49 hrs
Islamabad: Forced conversions to Islam and increasing incidents of kidnapping have instilled fear among Hindus in Balochistan, Pakistan's Minister for Human Rights and Minority Affairs Basant Lal Gulshan has said.
Reports suggest that as many as four girls and three boys of the Hindu community forcibly converted to Islam in 2011.
"At least 50 Hindu families have migrated from Quetta alone. The families migrated to rural Balochistan and Sindh because their rights were not safeguarded in Quetta," The Express Tribune quoted Gulshan, as saying.
He also claimed that investigations have not begun on the conversion cases reported in Loralai, Chaman and Sibi.
Criticising the Baloch Government for ignoring minority rights, Gulshan said: "I took up the issue with Chief Minister Aslam Raisani and also discussed it on the provincial assembly floor, but they are not serious in addressing the grievances of minorities."

He further said at least 25 people of his community have been kidnapped for ransom this year, adding: "There were 55 cases last year and we are witnessing a sharp rise this year."
Dr Rajesh Kumar, a pharmacist, was kidnapped in broad daylight from outside the Bolan Medical College Complex in Quetta approximately one and half months ago. His whereabouts are still unknown.
According to a rough estimate, around 200,000 Hindus reside in different parts of Balochistan and most of them are either businessmen or traders. "Criminals consider Hindus an easy target for earning money."
Gulshan assured that as a member of the provincial cabinet, he will continue to raise his voice for his community, regardless of his reservations being ignored

PARAM
20 March 2012, 12:58 AM
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Muslims were never serious of human rights, their history is all written in blood of non muslims. If there is any chance for human rights to survive, there is only one thing as Francois Gautier said "Hindus need another Shivaji", I will add another factor that we need another Banda Bahadur to fight against Islam.

dustyroad
20 March 2012, 11:21 PM
This is the nature of the material world - bad things happen all the time. We must not complain like worldly people.

charitra
26 March 2012, 12:26 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/25/pakistani-hindu-court-forced-conversion

Pakistan supreme court to decide fate of Hindu woman in Muslim marriage row


March 25, 2012
Chaitra Shukla Trutiya, Kaliyug Varsha 5114
The fate of a Pakistani Hindu woman who claims she was kidnapped, forcibly converted to Islam (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/islam) and married against her will is to be decided this week, after weeks of campaigning by the country’s Hindu minority.
The case of 19-year-old Rinkle Kumari has outraged Hindus from her small town in the south of the country, where community leaders accuse Muslims of preying on Hindu girls of marriageable age.
Some claim similar cases are helping to fuel a steady outflow of Pakistan (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/pakistan)‘s tiny Hindu community as families choose to move to Hindu-majority India instead.
In a hearing beginning on Monday, the supreme court in Islamabad will try to get to the bottom of the hotly contested versions of events.
The town’s Muslims, backed by a powerful local politician, say Kumari freely converted to Islam to marry her neighbour, Naveed Shah, on 24 February. But her father, a primary school teacher, is adamant she was abducted in the middle of the night from her house in Mirpur Marthelo, in Sindh province.
“These people see beautiful young Hindu girls and chase them,” said her uncle Raj Kumar. “For 15 days Naveed Shah had been shouting at Rinkle, threatening to kill her only brother.”
Her case has won support from members of parliament and attracted widespread attention in the Pakistani media. According to the Frontier Post newspaper, Rinkle was seized “for reasons based in sheer lust and debauchery”.
Throughout the whole saga Rinkle’s voice has barely been heard, although both sides say she has made clear statements supporting their contradictory claims.
Her family says that when she first appeared at a magistrates court late last month the tearful woman made clear she had been forcibly converted and wanted to return to her parents. But the court failed to record her statement and put her in police custody after hundreds of Muslim protesters surrounded the court.
In a subsequent hearing – from which the family say they were banned – Kumari said she had freely converted.
In a sign of the enormous tensions created by the case, the Hindu minority only succeeded in forcing the authorities to open a case on the issue by staging protests, with shopkeepers striking and demonstrators blocking a highway. The intervention of the Pakistani president, Asif Ali Zardari, forced the police to act, say protesters.
Mian Mitto, the local member of parliament whom Kumari’s family has accused of being intimately involved in the abduction and conversion, dismissed her initial court statement. “She may have been emotional, it is only natural to be upset after seeing her parents in court,” he said.
Mitto’s family control a nearby Sufi shrine which has a long history as a place where people come to convert to Islam.
In his version of events Kumari had long been in love with Shah. Speaking at his house in Islamabad, he produced telephone and SMS logs that apparently showed the pair were in regular communication, although Raj Kumar insisted the family was too poor for Rinkle to have a phone.
Whether she was abducted or went on her own volition, she arrived at the shrine late at night. Within hours she had converted to Islam and married Shah, Mitto said.
Amarnath Motumal, from the Sindh chapter of Pakistan’s human rights commission, said many cases of forced conversion were covered up, but he believed there were at least 20 such incidents each month. He said: “They take them into these extremist madrassas and don’t let the parents meet their families, claiming the girl does not want to meet kaffirs [unbelievers] – her own parents.”
Another recent case involves a female medical student who was allegedly kidnapped on the streets of Karachi. “These people want to stoke a war between the Hindus and Muslims so that we leave the country,” said Amarlal, chairman of the Progressive Minorities Commission, who uses only one name. “Local mullahs and fundamentalist people think that if they leave they can take their properties.”
Only a tiny minority of Hindus live in the country after massive migration of Sikhs and Hindus out of Pakistan when the state was formed in 1947 to create a homeland for South Asia’s Muslims. About 3% of the population are Hindus. Some Hindu community organisations claim that about 10 families leave Pakistan each month.
Source: Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/25/pakistani-hindu-court-forced-conversion)

McKitty
26 March 2012, 01:51 PM
Hello,
Sorry if I say something different about all of this, but I have to express my peaceful opinion on many comments.
What happening in many countries because of extreme Islam is very awful for everyone. Look even in my country we recently caught a French man who convert to extreme islam and killed tree soldiers and many childrens in a school. All of this happened near my home and drove terror to schools for many days.

But the first thing muslim people in France said was: "It is not our faith's fault."

And I found this somewhat true.

I would like to see where in the Quran is written the half of what they do, especially to womens. I saw in Egypt modern muslim womens very peaceful and beautiful, not wearing this integral thing that hide them from everything. In France, many muslim people don't treat people like they do in some "extreme" countries.

What happen is not the fault of Islam. It's the fault of the extreme people who misanderstand their own faith, and turn it into something terrible to achieve their lust of power.

Hate only brings hate. I will not hate the first muslim who come into my sight, saying "he is muslim, he destroy everything, he don't treat womens good ect..."

I'm not saying there is a solution, I don't live in your country, but you're not the only ones who have problems with those people. In my country, hate for hate, we now have problem with racism, and it is sad, as many muslim are peaceful and assure their religion is peaceful too.

I do not say to do nothing. Just to not hate everyone. Many are good, but bringing hate on everyone for some is not gonna help anyone...

Aum, peace

PARAM
28 March 2012, 12:44 AM
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Sorry we cannot understand you. Muslims are doing everything bad as order of Quran, true Muslims are true followers of Quran and there is no good mentioned in Quran.

We know we feel what we are bearing from Islam and Muslims. Muslims are trying their best to cover the World Wide Web with their Islamic thoughts - describing themselves as peace lovers, and at the same time they spread message of Quran terror.

One very important question for those who believe "only few" extremists are behind the terrorism and not all Muslims -


Why the Majority of Muslims are not doing anything against these "only few" extremists? Who is responsible when even in Islamic Government is not willing to stop these "only few".

McKitty
28 March 2012, 02:51 AM
I'm in a christian country, what can I do for the extreme ones that make their childrens dumbs teaching them that Darwin is wrong and human tamed dinosaurs to ride on them ? :D

More seriously, not every dutch people were nazis during WW2. Many, many of them did not agree at all with nazism and didn't even knew about alf the terrible atrocities Hitler and nazism commited. Still they did nothing, why ? Because "the few" had the power. They had the terror. When my country fell under the nazis, everyone was afraid. Nobody said anything. Even the man that was in command, he cooperated and did atrocities himself, putting mud in the name of my country. Yes in the end, many ordinary people became "marquisards", hiding themselves in nature and using every means and ressource to protect people and disturb nazis. But fear was there, always.

All of this to say, do not underestimate fear. Muslim womens are beaten, throw alive in fires, raped, and still they don't say or do anything. Should I blame them for having their faith ? There are many and many womens among the muslims, why do they don't say anything, or take defense of those poor girls ? If they do that, what do you think that could happen to them ?
Fear is one of the most quick and powerful way to take power and shut every resistance.
In my country white women convert to islam by themselves and are not terrorist or extremist. In fact, most of them don't even care about other's beliefs. Should I blame them for choosing to wear burkas and living their life on their own ?

I'm sorry, I understand your position. But still hate brings more hate. Aren't we all humans from the same place ? For me, whatever the name, God, Allah, whatever, it's the same being I am looking on. Still, the acts are from mens.
Maybe I should plan to read the Quran more, but I'm sure I've seen far many exemples of "principles" extremists follows that totally contradict what is written in the Quran.

I am not defending anyone, I know what happen is terrible and I am sincerely sorry about this...

Aum