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Tāṇḍava
17 April 2012, 02:23 AM
I came across this site when searching for "Hindu" blogs.

http://mackquigley.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/hindus-are-headed-for-hell/

I don't think I have ever seen a better example of how some Christians are narrow-minded and hate filled.

McKitty
17 April 2012, 03:05 AM
Hello,

[edited]

I am not defending those people that do bad things, as in previous posts I wasn't defending bad Muslims. I am just saying (again) that hateful though only brings hateful speech and only brings more and more hate.
This is not a part of a good Dharma.

Didn't the sages said that every religion were right, that every god manking worship is the same Brahman ? Didn't they said that all is just a different path and that we had to respect other's ?

They do bad things ? Let them be. Karma will judge them. You have no right to do it yourself and to bring hate.

Aum~

Vitani
17 April 2012, 06:40 AM
I've always wondered what is so appealing about a religion like this, that is hateful and condemns other people. It's awful and sad.

Vitani
17 April 2012, 06:42 AM
If I may also add, this blogger is quite a smart alek, showing no love or kindness. But then, I am willing to bet that "it's just my zeal!" Sigh.

Eastern Mind
17 April 2012, 07:43 AM
Vannakkam Tandava: Do you get hate mail, or hate comments directed at you and your blog, and then have to delete them? I'm curious.

Aum Namasivaya

wundermonk
17 April 2012, 01:14 PM
The title of that page - "Hindus are headed for hell" was interesting.

With people like MackQuigley in heaven, I have no interest to share the same place as him. I think the Abrahamic hell is going to be so much more fun than their heaven.

What will Abrahamics do in heaven for the infinity of time? :dunno:

Tāṇḍava
17 April 2012, 02:20 PM
Vannakkam Tandava: Do you get hate mail, or hate comments directed at you and your blog, and then have to delete them? I'm curious.

Aum Namasivaya
Very rarely. I have my blog set so that the first time someone comments I have to moderate it, so usually they only send one - that only happens once every two or three months. If I have a "suspect" comment I set them so that they have to be moderated for further comments, but by default once I approve one then all future comments get through unmoderated.

I have 28 email addresses that are always moderated - for five years of blogging, though I used to get very little traffic early on.

sanjaya
17 April 2012, 06:14 PM
This doesn't really annoy me. This is just some whacky guy with diarrhea of the mouth (or pen/keyboard, as the case may be). And I've seen enough on the news about the Westboro Baptist Church to question if people who say these things even really believe them, or are just trying to get attention.

We Hindus do not need to worry about Christians who tell us outright that we're going to hell for failing to give up our culture and religion to convert to some random Western faith. Rather we need to be wary of the more common evangelical Christians of America, who believe we're going to hell and seek to convert us subtly rather than overtly. Put yourself in the shoes of an Indian college student, either from India or from an irreligious Hindu home in America, who's starting his first year at college. The crazy campus preacher who condemns everyone to hell is no threat to him; he'll dismiss that person for what he is. But what about the evangelical from Campus Crusade who meets this guy in the dorms, befriends him, plays a few rounds of Counterstrike with him, tells him about Jesus, asks him tough questions about his Hindu religion, and slowly sows the seeds of doubt. Before you know it the Campus Crusader invites this Hindu to church, and this poor soul is isolated from his fellow Hindus, deep within the bowels of Christian culture. The Hindu has enough doubt about the faith he grew up with that he is susceptible to the peer pressure of everyone around him. Ultimately bows to Christianity. That is how evangelicals convert Hindus to Christianity. It's not by hellfire preaching. Evangelicals talk Hindus out of Hinduism and into Christianity. It's friendly, it's polite, and it's uttrly insidious.

Personally I wish every Christian in the world were like this blogger. I like him because he's honest, he's straightforward, and he is utterly unsuccessful in his evil mission of converting Hindus. If every Christian were like this guy, no Hindu would ever convert to Christianity. We should be celebrating this man and congratulating him on a job poorly done.

Jainarayan
17 April 2012, 06:25 PM
"Never argue with an idiot; they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Guys like that are idiots and looking for attention. Few people, relative to the entire population, take them seriously. Most people laugh at them. Don't give them the attention they crave.

sanjaya
17 April 2012, 06:25 PM
Hello,

[edited]

I am not defending those people that do bad things, as in previous posts I wasn't defending bad Muslims. I am just saying (again) that hateful though only brings hateful speech and only brings more and more hate.
This is not a part of a good Dharma.

Didn't the sages said that every religion were right, that every god manking worship is the same Brahman ? Didn't they said that all is just a different path and that we had to respect other's ?

They do bad things ? Let them be. Karma will judge them. You have no right to do it yourself and to bring hate.

Aum~

I don't know which sage you're referring to (not saying you're wrong, I just honestly am not aware of this saying). Sri Krishna says that people who worship other gods in truth offer their worship to him. That doesn't mean their religions are right. After all, if every religion were right, I could argue ad absurdum that even the worship of asuras is "right." Yes, even Christians are truly directing their worship to Bhagavan unknowingly. But they're not objectively right. They are very wrong and should be corrected lest they cause us harm.

Jainarayan
17 April 2012, 06:28 PM
I don't know which sage you're referring to (not saying you're wrong, I just honestly am not aware of this saying).

Sri Ramakrishna:

"I have practised all religions—Hinduism, Islam, Christianity—and I have also followed the paths of the different Hindu sects. I have found that it is the same God toward whom all are directing their steps, though along different paths. You must try all beliefs and traverse all the different ways once. Wherever I look, I see men quarrelling in the name of religion—Hindus, Mohammedans, Brahmos, Vaishnavas, and the rest. But they never reflect that He who is called Krishna is also called Siva, and bears the name of the Primal Energy, Jesus, and Allah as well—the same Rama with a thousand names…"

Paramahansa Yogānanda also wrote in his Aims and Ideals for Self-Realization Fellowship/Yogoda Satsanga Society...

To point out the one divine highway to which all paths of true religious beliefs eventually lead: the highway of daily, scientific, devotional meditation on God.

McKitty may also be referring to the "ekam sat viprah bahudha vadanti... " verse of the R.V. 1.164.46

realdemigod
17 April 2012, 09:23 PM
There is no end to human stupidity and better not be agitated by such people who are fooled into by their egoistic beliefs. It serves you nothing and arguing with such people can continue till the end of time. Your peace of mind is too precious to be wasted on such silly fools.

satay
17 April 2012, 09:55 PM
namaste,



That is how evangelicals convert Hindus to Christianity. It's not by hellfire preaching. Evangelicals talk Hindus out of Hinduism and into Christianity. It's friendly, it's polite, and it's uttrly insidious.



So true. I have seen this in action. It can really be tricky if you are not paying attentioin to their plan. :cool1:

charitra
17 April 2012, 10:04 PM
Namaste Chris (Tandava),

I lived in Britain during the first half of nineties and was darn‘impressed’ with islamist militancy even those years and noticed almost none of that from the majority faith. The ignorance about Hinduism was ubiquitous though, but then it didn’t bother me much. Paradoxically, their (Brits’) hearts were bleeding for muslims who were ‘suffering’ everywhere on the planet, well, up until 911 attacks I think. Once I entered USA in mid 90s the difference was immediately obviousto me, not the ignorance part about Hinduism which was much worse, but the fact that large swathes of people here are quite convinced about the literal hell (for non Christians) and heaven for after life. Later I found out the underlying reasons for all this.

A couple of weeks ago I watched a documentary online that explains it all, and a lot more. Why people have such a difficulty to extricate from the c word and j word here? It is because of the relentless indoctrination that’s ongoing here. The summer camp and a bit more shows how the kids are routinely taken thru the guilt trip sowing the seeds of lifelong loyalty to their savior. I think this potential danger forms the basis for Richard Dawkin’s pragmatic demand that kids shouldn’t be indoctrinated and instead be allowed to live free of faith until maturity at which time they can opt for their chosen faith. There is an urgent need for implementation of that policy here in USA.

The below video, showcasing the model of evangelization of small kids (mind you there is no abuse here, it is clean and not in anyway objectionable), at least to me was acutely bothersome.

PS: I like your blog.

satay
17 April 2012, 10:17 PM
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Namaste Chris (Tandava),
The below video, showcasing the model of evangelization of small kids (mind you there is no abuse here, it is clean and not in anyway objectionable), at least to me was acutely bothersome.

PS: I like your blog.

Arjuni
17 April 2012, 10:55 PM
Namasté,

That is a great font that blog is using! From the source code, it seems to be Skolar, created specifically for "scholarly" writing and ease of reading. I have to say, the typeface certainly achieves its goal. That was the most riveting non-information I've ever read.

I think I'm going to take my own blog - which is dedicated to Indra and all of his "wacky satanic teachings" - and change it to that delicious scholastic font, so that the content is even more accessible.

Thanks, person with scary blog! :crazy:

Indraneela
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Oṁ Indrāya Namaḥ.
Oṁ Namaḥ Śivāya.

realdemigod
18 April 2012, 03:28 AM
Namaste Chris (Tandava),

I think this potential danger forms the basis for Richard Dawkin’s pragmatic demand that kids shouldn’t be indoctrinated and instead be allowed to live free of faith until maturity at which time they can opt for their chosen faith. There is an urgent need for implementation of that policy here in USA.

charitra,
Richard Dawkins' demand will never be considered. Young minds are quite impressionable and church nor any evangelical group will never wait for kids to grow up and then teach them their silly and baseless doctrines or ideologies. And once a kid belongs to church the kid belongs to church forever. In one of his documentaries 'Roots of Evil' where he interviews an elderly woman..she still fears at the word of hell. That's the power of mind and social conditioning. Felt bad for her. It's sad to see their freedom taken away.

satay,
Not just evangelicals I have seen with many sects of christians. My grandmother and her family (matriarchal) are christians, I remember several instances of my grandmother demeaning Hindu gods..only christ is great..blah blah. Got many more examples to share..lol. Really glad I'm not one of them.

All I hope is that their good karma takes care of their life as you can't undo the great damage done to such young minds.

sanjaya
18 April 2012, 08:26 AM
Sri Ramakrishna:

"I have practised all religions—Hinduism, Islam, Christianity—and I have also followed the paths of the different Hindu sects. I have found that it is the same God toward whom all are directing their steps, though along different paths. You must try all beliefs and traverse all the different ways once. Wherever I look, I see men quarrelling in the name of religion—Hindus, Mohammedans, Brahmos, Vaishnavas, and the rest. But they never reflect that He who is called Krishna is also called Siva, and bears the name of the Primal Energy, Jesus, and Allah as well—the same Rama with a thousand names…"

Paramahansa Yogānanda also wrote in his Aims and Ideals for Self-Realization Fellowship/Yogoda Satsanga Society...

To point out the one divine highway to which all paths of true religious beliefs eventually lead: the highway of daily, scientific, devotional meditation on God.

McKitty may also be referring to the "ekam sat viprah bahudha vadanti... " verse of the R.V. 1.164.46

Ah yes, I do remember the Paramahansa Yogananda quote now that you mention it. I haven't heard the one from Sri Ramakrishna before. As for the one from the Rig Veda, I would point out that the idea of truth being one and paths many certainly doesn't mean that all paths are true.

Anyway, thanks for supplying the references.

Jainarayan
18 April 2012, 08:38 AM
Namaste.


I would point out that the idea of truth being one and paths many certainly doesn't mean that all paths are true.

You are quite correct. Thanks for pointing that out; 'tis worth remembering. :) There is only one God and one Truth, but not all paths lead to It. A "religion" (cult, if you will) that performs human sacrifice cannot be said to be on a path to God.

Seeker123
18 April 2012, 01:41 PM
I would point out that the idea of truth being one and paths many certainly doesn't mean that all paths are true.
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Very true. Educated Hindus parrot that view all the time. It has been drilled into them by well meaning Swamis over the last 200 years. Some sort of colonial mindset in my opinion. Bobby Jundal in an interview says the following:


The main tenets of the Hindu faith involve two basic beliefs. The first is that all souls earn their way into nirvana, a state of blessedness, through good deeds........ The second tenet is that all religions are equally valid paths to the same God. This strips one of the right to criticize any set of religious beliefs, including those of cults and other extreme groups. Thus, God is not concerned with having His followers believe in truth.

For those interested to dig more I recommend reading "Do all religions have the same goal" by Swami Dayananada. You can google it and read the lecture.

Sahasranama
18 April 2012, 01:59 PM
For those interested to dig more I recommend reading "Do all religions have the same goal" by Swami Dayananada. You can google it and read the lecture.

Here it is: http://www.votebankpolitics.com/source/sds/pdfs/rsg.pdf