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Viraja
29 July 2012, 07:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WkMLdB2uZg

I am sorry if I offend the anti-Islam faiths, I respect the feelings of fellow Hindus what everyone knows Islamics have done to our soil and people.

But I studied in a Muslim college, a Muslim lecturer helped me get the seat in the course I wanted, another one used to have such affection on me, I also had several good Muslim friends.

I have come to believe Rama is indeed Allah, also.

Hope not to offend anyone.:)

Sahasranama
29 July 2012, 08:13 PM
I have come to believe Rama is indeed Allah, also.

Hope not to offend anyone.:)

You hope not to offend anyone, but you believe Sri Rama is the same person as some psychopath desert god?

Anyone who has clicked on that link with ashudha speech has to purify themselves now, listen to some bhajans to remove the mala from your mind: bhakti sagara (http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=5764)

Believer
29 July 2012, 08:56 PM
Namaste,

Any special reason you thought that the HDF members would be ecstatic about the information that you have shared? What should we do with this information? And after you have defamed Lord Rama by equating him to Allah, what is your next move?

Pranam.

Viraja
29 July 2012, 10:30 PM
Believer,

I thought HDF members would like the song like I did. So produced it here.

Besides, I wanted to find out if there are others who felt the same way as I do such as ones living in Arabian countries, who might have had some pleasant experiences as I did.

I shall make no more of this comparison, though.:o

Twilightdance
30 July 2012, 01:09 AM
Believer,

I thought HDF members would like the song like I did. So produced it here.

I didn't like it, but I generally do not enjoy arabic music - nothing to do with Islam as such


Besides, I wanted to find out if there are others who felt the same way as I do such as ones living in Arabian countries, who might have had some pleasant experiences as I did.

Many people particularly the liberal kind who generally wouldn't have lived in Arabia often feel very optimistic about Islam. Its a psychological mystery, we may be able to find some reasons behind it.

As far your beliefs are concerned, I don't see why people should get offended as they are your beliefs - as long as you don't claim it to be an universal truth, we should be fine.

McKitty
30 July 2012, 01:40 AM
Vanakkam !

I'll listen to it after work, it seems interesting, I don't know about arabic songs very much, it'll be an interesting discover !

I know popular songs from Mahgreb, the voice of male and female singers is truly amazing ! Too bad I'm not able to understand what they say or to remember the names :D It seems to be a very complicated language, yet I find it beautiful in some songs

Nothing to do with religion like Twilightdance, just the music and popular songs.


Aum Namah Shivaya

IcyCosmic
30 July 2012, 04:54 AM
I love arabic songs, and the qu'ran recitations in arabic are definetely peaceful.

Viraja
30 July 2012, 06:28 AM
Vanakkam everyone,

I think what made me post this song is that I feel quite drawn to Islam like what IcySFX says, I sometimes listen to Quranic verses recited and I think of all the discipline, 5 times prayer, the burkah and other rituals they go through and I think "this religion inculcates discipline as a strict guideline towards its devotees and therefore has got a good foundation" - for isn't discipline against the evil effects of 'Kali'- but I also wonder why all the violence and the bloodshed. I think I tried to bring it out from readers' minds, those who had similar faiths, as I thought that song was truly spiritual.

McKitty, I would love to hear it if you know any outstanding Mahgreb song.

Thanks.

McKitty
30 July 2012, 06:47 AM
Vanakkam,

I will try my best to find thé songs, I remember a popular singer, she had such a wonderful voice ! I will search for her.

Well about islam...I like popular arabic songs, I'm open to maybe appreciate recitations, but I would note agree with those kind of some principles. Many things are not for the sake of discipline, like bhurka. Disciplined in violence, childrens mimic the violence, and many, not to say most of the principles of islam have been deformed and misused for control, war and politics in many countries, thus cannot be any help for spiritual upliftmen in those cases.

The révolution in mahgreb countries id a good exemple. People fighted for freedom and democracy against political dictators. ..now thé power slowly fall in religious dictature, violence dawn, I saw womens in Tunisia crying and crying because they know how they will be treated like animals if the radical islam take power.

I have no hate for Islam, but I have principles of Dharma and more importantly love and compassion. I cannot look favorably at Islam, my first priority is rather to pray for the people suffering for it and that never asked for this...

I hope Mahadev will ease their actions on those poor womens...


Aum Namah Shivaya

Viraja
30 July 2012, 08:44 AM
McKitty,

Be it whether we have hatred for Islam or not, they have hatred (most people) for us, they call us all 'kAfirs'.

But I just have some recidual good sentiments owing to the exposure I had with some good Muslim souls.

There seems to be a 'collective karma' with every religion. With Hinduism, amidst all the wonderful spiritual strengths and foundation, there is population explosion, corrupt politics.... With Islam, violence... I wonder what this collective karma stems from, say, flaw what in what aspect of the religion, in each religion, maybe this will be my 'research subject' sometimes. :)

McKitty
30 July 2012, 08:51 AM
Vanakkam,

Don't worry, I don't have any hate in myself, not even for the most violent muslims. God is not made of hate, our path is not made of fights between us.

I have friends too, wich are good muslims and yet very polite, friendly, smiling and funny persons... But I cannot really study Coran and Muslim teachings in a good peace, as I think of the poor souls trapped in those countries where religion were torn to become a weapon...

I don't mind Muslims calling me kafir. After all, Hindu call me Mleccha. So what. I'm a bhakta of Shiva, not a bhakta of those people, so I really don't mind what names they call me or my friends....This is just sad to see, but how can you explain to them this is not fair ? This is really sad...But I will not make sacrifice of my open minded just to look good and conform to others.

Anyway I enjoy arabic cultures, especially the architectural and artistics of middle age. I can't imagine those people were already painting, building palaces and stories, where at the same time most countries in the west could only put tree stones one on another ! :D


Aum Namah Shivaya

Twilightdance
30 July 2012, 10:11 AM
Vanakkam everyone,

I think what made me post this song is that I feel quite drawn to Islam like what IcySFX says, I sometimes listen to Quranic verses recited and I think of all the discipline, 5 times prayer, the burkah and other rituals they go through and I think "this religion inculcates discipline as a strict guideline towards its devotees and therefore has got a good foundation" - for isn't discipline against the evil effects of 'Kali'- but I also wonder why all the violence and the bloodshed. I think I tried to bring it out from readers' minds, those who had similar faiths, as I thought that song was truly spiritual.

McKitty, I would love to hear it if you know any outstanding Mahgreb song.

Thanks.

I liked walking in the forest till it got dark and the wild animals started howling.

It feels good to look at beautiful sea creatures in Nat Geo until suddenly one starts to cannibalize the other.

But more importantly we love our own ideals and cherry pick reality to appear like the ideal.

As far your burka comment goes, I hope you are a woman and want to try it out, else it reeks of chauvinism.

But, I will give you that Islam == discipline as defined Islamic law [and that's the funny bit].
If submitting to some authority or being a slave makes one happy, Islam may be byfar the best choice there.

Omkara
30 July 2012, 11:56 AM
Aspirant 01,On what basis do you make the statement that 'corrupt politics' is part of the 'collective karma' of sanatana dharma?Or that 'population explosion' is part of this theologically non existent 'collective karma'?

The neo-nalthusian,leftist theory that population growth is bad has long been refuted and discredited.

And in any case,India's share of the workd population in 1000 AD was 33 percent and now it is only 16 percent.In other words,there has been a drastic decline in India's share of the world population

Jainarayan
30 July 2012, 12:14 PM
And in any case,India's share of the workd population in 1000 AD was 33 percent and now it is only 16 percent.In other wirds,there has been a drastic declibe in India's share of the world population

What was the absolute population of India in 1000 CE, v. 2012 CE? What was the population of the entire world in 1000 CE v. 2012 CE? Would you see the population of India @ 2.3 billion just to keep the same percentage? Quantity of life over quality of life in a country that even people on this forum consider underfed and undereducated? Why is percentage more important than absolute numbers? :confused: This makes no sense to me. :dunno:

Viraja
30 July 2012, 12:27 PM
Omkaraji,

I agree with Jainarayanji. India has a staggering population and I used to wonder why it cannot be as rich and prosperous as the West is (because India essentially has all the hardwork and resources needed for it) and it seems to me that maybe caste system or something somewhere is the pitfall of our religion that causes it. And I am not saying this negative is only present in Hinduism. The West is practicing Christianity largely, they are rich and prosperous but compare to Hinduism (or practitioners of Hinduism), the West is crippled by numerous number of divorces, single parenting, broken family, etc.

TwilightDance,

By referring to Burka, the discipline I meant was that 'it erases from the female's mind even traces of affinity towards indecent exposure' for it is from this evil of 'Kali' does many sins afflicting mankind arise.

And I agree as you refer, behind all the facade of discipline and peace, there is violence and incredible turbulence. But what I am trying to say is that like every religion, Islam has a place in world's truest religions too, as it too has produced many saints who have realized the self, such as Saint Dara-Shikoh.

Jainarayan
30 July 2012, 12:34 PM
the West is crippled by numerous number of divorces, single parenting, broken family, etc.



Not to mention crime in the US alone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States).

Eastern Mind
30 July 2012, 12:35 PM
Vannakkam: In my humble opinion, (based on geography of agriculture, demographics of wealth, and a lecture of one economics professor many years ago) our planet is not overpopulated. Wrong crops (corn for ethanol and cattle feed, sugar cane, poppies, cocoa, and coffee to 'feed' the wealthy, wasted land on golf courses and back yard lawns, are just a few more obvious examples.

The distribution of wealth is extreme. So there is no population problem. There could be at some time in the future, but right now there isn't. We just have to sort out the way we think about food and sustainable agriculture.

Aum Namasivaya

Jainarayan
30 July 2012, 12:42 PM
Namaste.

Here alone in the middle of the Garden State, as New Jersey is officially known, we are losing farmland at an alarming rate. Losing it to what, you might ask? To warehouse/distribution centers, to condominium and housing developments. Many of which remain empty. In the area I work (hypocritically at a distribution center :rolleyes: ) I can think of 5-6 tracts of farm land that have been sold to build warehousing centers in the past 15 years. There are some county initiatives to preserve open spaces, but nothing can be done about selling the private farmland that can grow food crops. Follow the $$$.

Omkara
30 July 2012, 12:49 PM
There is no link whatsoever between population and poverty.India is poor because of deliberate deindustrialization due to the british raj as well as crypto marxist socialist policies for decades after independence.India was the economic superpower of the ancient world.Indua during the times of the marathas amounted to abiut 26 percent of world GDP.In comparison,the US today has a 21 percent share.

McKitty
30 July 2012, 01:09 PM
Vanakkam,

I am sorry if I say something sad, but there IS enough food produced for everyone. The problem is lobbys, money, and stuff. Why not send food in africa ? Well, ask a big millionnaire company if they want to send the surplus of food for free at their own cost. You won't be surprised by the answer. So each day tons of food are thrown away.
Agriculture in Africa is possible. They could survive with the mineral ressources. Instead the people sell the little food they have to big companies and their governement give their mineral resources to countries like...China. Yes, this happened recently. China build a whole artificial city in a state of africa. with schools, and everything. The whole is now a ghost city, as nobody can offer to live in it. But in exchange of the city, China took big % on mineral ressources.

I ask, which side is the good guy, wich side is the bad guy ? I can't tell the difference between the farmer that sell his own subsistence for money, and the big company that offer him the money.

West or East, no country is more rotten than another. There are only mens and womens.

This is why little things done with compassion, regardless of origins, beliefs and color, can only lead to great things.

In Kali Yuga, what's the use of sitting and debate about how good or how bad is east/west/Islam/christianity/sanathana dharma/green olives with guacamole. It's a time to act. Not to show superiority and pride, but to show compassion and help.

Aum Namah Shivaya

Viraja
30 July 2012, 01:17 PM
McKitty's words are a 100% true. Very well said.

Seeker
30 July 2012, 02:51 PM
There is no link whatsoever between population and poverty.India is poor because of deliberate deindustrialization due to the british raj as well as crypto marxist socialist policies for decades after independence.India was the economic superpower of the ancient world.Indua during the times of the marathas amounted to abiut 26 percent of world GDP.In comparison,the US today has a 21 percent share.
Namaste Omkara Ji,

I am in agreement with you.

Moreover , we need to realize that everything we see is sustained by Brahman . My grandparents used to say that 'abhivirthi' comes from Gods blessings and not just with our 'prayarthana'. Even if the population becomes 20billion , I have not even an iota of doubt that all those lives will be sustained by Brahman.

wundermonk
31 July 2012, 12:03 PM
"An Islam song I love":

The following video just melted my heart...Awww....the young boys are so excitedly talking about the math and science that they learned at school earlier that day. No wonder we stupid Hindus lag behind the Islamic world in math and science. How can we Hindus catch up with these future brilliant minds of the Arab Muslim world?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtt8V25lGmc

Sahasranama
31 July 2012, 12:09 PM
"An Islam song I love":

The following video just melted my heart...Awww....the young boys are so excitedly talking about the math and science that they learned at school earlier that day. No wonder we stupid Hindus lag behind the Islamic world in math and science. How can we Hindus catch up with these future brilliant minds of the Arab Muslim world?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtt8V25lGmc


how cute!

Believer
31 July 2012, 01:21 PM
Namaste,

Don't forget to watch the following videos after you have enjoyed the Islamic songs and listened to recitation of Koranic verses for your 'peace of mind'.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozzWrGg6iQw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04-OmLb2gTU&feature=related
http://hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=7246&highlight=islam+france
And many others posted in other subforums....

Pranam.

Viraja
31 July 2012, 01:48 PM
No, no.. I don't want to sound like recommending Islam to anyone.

As a Bhakta, when I think of the HUGE number of masses practicing this religion, I think that Lord Mahadeva or Vishnu or Skanda wouldn't abandon such a huge populace from their grace...and that is why I believe the religion must be true.

And as to the burkah and other strict guidelines, I feel that people practicing this religion must have some heavy and unique karmas, such guidelines are essential for their upliftment.

So it is just a sentimental belief on the religion above the other lines... as there are some very good, noble souls born in every religion.