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Believer
05 August 2012, 02:56 PM
Namaste,

There was yet another shooting at Sikhs at one of their Gurudwaras in the US.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/05/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Pranam.

Eastern Mind
05 August 2012, 03:22 PM
Namaste,

There was yet another shooting at Sikhs at one of their Gurudwaras in the US.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/05/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Pranam.

Vannakkam: Just sad all around. May the ignorance be lifted soon.

Aum Namasivaya

JaiMaaDurga
05 August 2012, 05:25 PM
Namaste,

Yes, shameful and sad... willful ignorance gives birth to tragedy once again.

For me, this prompts some somber reflection-
It seems to be an asuric "vicious cycle" where those who are arrogant and
crave power, come to know that increasing anxiety, unease, emotional decision-making,
and divisiveness in populations, will create more opportunities
for control and manipulation... yet, since such conditioning is often subtle,
long-term, and difficult to identify while it is happening, those ultimately responsible
are often not known until enough time has passed for the game
to be perceived through the long lens of historical study.. let us hope that
our world need not suffer to such an extent that once again every heart on Earth
pleads desperately for Maa to come and slay the asuras who hold all in their terrible grip....

JAI MATA DI

Eastern Mind
05 August 2012, 08:12 PM
Vannakkam: As long as the school (Hollywood) stays in business, and the classrooms (every living room with a TV) are there, this will continue. What can you expect if that's all you see all day? It's called programming (double meaning intended) Just all so sad.

Aum Namasivaya

Seeker
05 August 2012, 10:23 PM
Sad event.

Guns & idiots don't mix.

Believer
05 August 2012, 10:24 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/05/westboro-responds-to-wisc_n_1745173.html?1344206543#slide=402369

wundermonk
05 August 2012, 11:53 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/05/westboro-responds-to-wisc_n_1745173.html?1344206543#slide=402369


Just minutes after it was reported that people had been shot at a Sikh Temple in Wisconsin, the hate mongers at Westboro Baptist Church were tweeting out: 'God Sent Another Shooter.'

Well, the Abrahamic God indeed sends messengers of death to kill people that he is otherwise impotent to kill on his own.

ShivaFan
06 August 2012, 08:15 PM
Namaste
The news is now reporting he is a racial supremist and a member of a Nazi (National Socialist) party. He also was a member of a Nazi rock band.

So he believes only certain people are superior by blood. This is the mindset that results in concentration camps, repression of others, mass murder and ultimately failure of the very society and people they claim to honor and serve.

Om Namah Sivaya

Seeker
07 August 2012, 01:08 PM
I had to remind my American colleagues that Sikhs are martial people , and the causality could have been much higher , had they chosen not to fight.

One of them sent me this link :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saragarhi

I am also awed by the courage of the police officer , who took the bullets to stop this bigoted coward.

Believer
07 August 2012, 02:34 PM
Namaste,

A post like this one becomes not only an avenue for bringing out frustrations with the various facets of the shooting incident, but also serves as a condolence book for everyone to write a line or two, out of respect for the fallen worshipers.

Many of the spiritually evolved, scripturally enlightened fellow Dharmis who would not kill an ant, chose to stay away from making any comments. Is it because the fallen ones did not belong to their race/ethnic group/religious sect? OR is it because our purpose is only to cling to the SD in a self-serving mode, without worrying about what happens to the natives of the land of SD? Sikhs after all, are the product of SD, have similar bhakti at the core of their religion and have sacrificed a lot for the defense of SD. Don't know why are they ignored like this? We would rather be fighting over different interpretations of some trivial factoid from an obscure scripture than spend a few minutes being remorseful. And that says a lot about how far up the the ladder of spirituality have the 'bookish talking heads' climbed .

Pranam.

wundermonk
07 August 2012, 02:47 PM
Hi Believer,

Yes. This act is absolutely despicable and it is a terrible time for Sikhs in general and US Sikhs in particular. I too wish others on HDF had chosen to post on this thread. But they have their own thoughts/agendas, etc., I guess.

For Indians currently in India, death has just become a numb experience. You open the newspaper, there is just so much news of death. I ended up cancelling my newspaper subscription because all the news is about death/deception/corruption.

For Indians outside of India, I guess there may be other priorities as compared to posting on HDF expressing solidarity with Sikhs.

Indians are really disunited on nearly every issue. :(

Viraja
07 August 2012, 02:57 PM
I kept quiet because I did not have anything intellectual to offer.

BTW Silence doesn't always mean one does not feel for the sufferings or loss of a fellow being. It does not imply indifference always. There is some difference between the situation where it will reach the victims families or not - IMO.

But, I wish to say now that my heartfelt condolences go to the families of the victims and prayers for the victims that they reach the abode of the Lord.

philosoraptor
08 August 2012, 10:35 AM
I live in the United States, and this is not the first time I've heard of this sort of thing. There were multiple acts of violence against both Sikhs and Muslims after 9/11, and I can even recall acts of violence against Hindus during the first US-Iraq war. There comes a point where one just can't find the words to express one's sadness and disgust. Maybe it happens after the 5th or 6th hate-related murder, I guess. Or maybe it's the shock at what the children must be going through who lost a parent, or the wives are going through who lost husbands.

charitra
08 August 2012, 02:08 PM
I kept quiet because I did not have anything intellectual to offer. BTW Silence doesn't always mean one does not feel for the sufferings or loss of a fellow being. It does not imply indifference always.
But, I wish to say now that my heartfelt condolences go to the families of the victims and prayers for the victims that they reach the abode of the Lord.
Same here. Agree.

Kismet
08 August 2012, 02:33 PM
I offer my compassion and condolences on behalf of all parties involved in this brutal attack....

This is what, in my opinion, happens when one buys into the ego belief-system. I don't think one can simply be ignorant in a situation like this. We are all responsible.

Leena
08 August 2012, 05:22 PM
Namaste,
The shooting in Wisconsin is the first act of violencetowards the Sikhs that I have heard about, and I had no idea that suchhostility was shown to them worldwide. And actually, before reading about the shooting online I thought a Sikhwas an ethnic group, no doubt due to my American ignorance lol.
I am deeply saddenedand infuriated by the hate and violence that is projected upon peaceful peoplefollowing peaceful religions who don’t want anything to do with violence. How can we stop people from being so smallminded and hateful? How can peace standa chance when such anger and hostility blackens the hearts of the egotistical,ignorant souls and fuels them up to display such actions and thoughts? Has enough dharma been destroyed by adharmayet for the balanced to be restored? Please, Kalki, bring us Satya Yuga!
I pray for the families and friends who lost their lovedones in this tragedy.
May there be peace!
May there be love!
May there be light!

satay
10 August 2012, 11:50 PM
namaste,

I was in Minnesota vacationing only a few hours away from Wisconsin this week when I heard the news on Sunday. I was shocked to learn of the event and followed it as much as I could on CNN, local papers etc. I was planning to drive down to Wisconsin but couldn't due to other committments. A very sad event indeed.

I must say a very classy response by sikh community in return all over north america showing solidarity and making the attack a 'human problem' rather than an attack on 'their' religion. Smart and admirable.

TatTvamAsi
13 August 2012, 02:38 PM
Sad tragedy.

The ridiculous thing is that this mleccha scum who did the shooting considered himself "Aryan". hahahhaha..

Someone needs to write an article telling him that a stray dog in India is more advanced than him and his "brothers".

Another distortion of Indian history and facts causing harm even today.

Jodhaa
20 August 2012, 07:57 AM
I am late in responding, but I wanted to express my deep regret and sorrow for what has happened to the Sikh community.

The root cause of this problem has so many layers -some of which might never be addressed since the shooter killed himself. There is egotism, and arrogance of course, but there is also the issue of the deplorable state of mental health care in the United States and the widespread unwillingness or inability to educate people in large quantities about one another - to dispel fear and violence.

There is no one right answer. I think rallying together in love and support was an admirable and effective start to healing for the Sikh community. It is a shame the more people outside the community did not also rally in such large numbers. It would have made quite the statement.

Peace.