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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    I could be mistaken, but I believe madhvAchArya interprets this reference as being to that of a sage who happens to be named kRiShNa, and who also happens to have a mother named devakI.

    I liked...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    Another mantra of interest, especially to Krishna devotees. This one is actually a prayer to Earth goddess from the mahAnArAyaNa upaniShad:

    uddhR^itAsi varAheNa kR^iShNena shatabAhunA |...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    From the above e-book:


    In the very first mantram, the word “viSvam” appears thrice: “viSvAksham,
    viSva Sambhuvam and viSvam nArAyaNam devam”. The word “viSvam” is the first word of SrI VishNu...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    Looks like they also translate it as "inner controller of shambhu."

    Interesting.
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    I'm not sure, as I had the same doubt. This section follows a section describing dahara-vidya and precedes another one also describing dahara-vidya, but to be honest, I rather like shambhu in the...
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    patiM vishvasyAtmeshvaraNg shAshvataNg shivamachyutam |
    nArAyaNam mahAj~neyaM vishvAtmAnaM parAyaNam || MNU 92 ||

    nArAyaNa is the master of the universe. This paramatman is the ruler of Himself....
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    These mantras are from the authentic draviDa-patha of the mahAnArAyaNa upaniShad, of the kRiShNa yajur-veda:

    sahasrashIrSham devaM vishvAkShaM vishvashambhuvam |
    vishvaM nArAyaNaM devamakSharaM...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    He actually does not say that. What he does say is that there are limitations in studying the Vedas, of which one is that they are limited to the twice-born varnas only while another is that they are...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    I think the point of counting the shakhas is that each one represents a unified teaching of some sort. That was the way I took it when I heard the percentage, not as percentage of mantras lost.
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    It is not a percentage based on the number of mantras, but on the number of shakhas described in scripture vs number known to be extant. This was obvious from the Satyanarayana's analysis of the...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    kaTha upaniShad

    viGYaanasaarathiryastu manaH pragrahavaannaraH .
    so.adhvanaH paaramaapnoti tadvishhNoH paramaM padam.h .. 9..

    1-III-9. But the man who has a discriminating intellect as his...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    Actually, I think the figure comes from a statement in one of the puranas listing the different divisions of the Vedas, against which one can compare with the known shrutis still extant. This was...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    aitareya brAhmaNa 1.1.1:
    agnirvai devAnAmavamo viShNuH paramaH | tadantarA sarvA devatAH ||
    "Among gods, Agni, the fire-god is the lowest and Vishnu is the highest. In between come all other gods."...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    yajur veda saMhitA (taitirrIya saMhita 5.2.2):

    Headed by Visnu the gods won finally these worlds by the metres; in that he strides the strides of Visnu, the sacrificer becoming Visnu wins finally...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    I used to think like that, until I started studying the Upanishads and other Vedantic texts. The equating of Narayana with Brahman is very explicit. In fact, the equating of Brahman to a "supreme...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    Gentlemen (and ladies), please be nice. I want that this thread should have an auspicious feel to it considering the subject matter.
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    There are multiple references in the yajur veda saMhitA (taitirIya saMhitA) equating viShNu with yagna - this theme also comes out in the bhagavad-gItA and the bhAgavata purANa in conjunction with...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    yajur veda (taittirIya saMhitA) 4.2.9.10-11:

    "May they sustain us with support.
    That highest step of Visnu."

    Here is a less direct reference in yajur veda (taittirIya saMhitA) 4.4.12:

    "May...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    Rig veda 10.90.1-16

    sahasraśīrṣā puruṣaḥ sahasrākṣaḥ sahasrapāt |
    sabhūmiṃ viśvato vṛtvātyatiṣṭhad daśāṅghulam ||
    puruṣa evedaṃ sarvaṃ yad bhūtaṃ yacca bhavyam |
    utāmṛtatvasyeśāno...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    Rg veda 7.100.1-7:

    nū marto dayate saniṣyan yo viṣṇava urughāyāya dāśat |
    pra yaḥ satrācā manasā yajāta etāvantaṃ naryam āvivāsāt ||
    tvaṃ viṣṇo sumatiṃ viśvajanyām aprayutām evayāvo matiṃ...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    I have not studied this Upanishad or the book you quoted, so I can't comment too much. However, that understanding is consistent with what I have read elsewhere. The Vishishtadvaitic paradigm...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    Some may wonder why I am not quoting other mantras in which Rudra, or Indra, or Agni is described as supreme. Isn't this presentation one-sided? The answer, both according to common sense and...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    Rg veda 7.99.1-7:

    paro mātrayā tanvṛ vṛdhāna na te mahitvam anv aśnuvanti |
    ubhe te vidma rajasī pṛthivyā viṣṇo deva tvam paramasya vitse ||
    na te viṣṇo jāyamāno na jāto deva mahimnaḥ param...
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    Rg veda 3.54.14:

    viṣṇuṃ stomāsaḥ purudasmamarkā bhaghasyeva kāriṇo yāmani ghman |
    urukramaḥ kakuho yasya pūrvirna mardhanti yuvatayojanitrīḥ ||

    14 To Viṣṇu rich in marvels, songs And praises...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    This is a repost of an earlier pramANa with some additional context (Rg veda 1.22.16-20):

    ato devā avantu no yato viṣṇurvicakrame |
    pṛthivyāḥ saptadhāmabhiḥ ||
    idaṃ viṣṇurvi cakrame tredhā ni...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    Rg veda 1.156.1-5

    bhavā mitro na śevyo ghṛtāsutirvibhūtadyumna evayā u saprathāḥ |
    adhā te viṣṇo viduṣā cidardhya stomo yaj˝aścarādhyo haviṣmatā ||
    yaḥ pūrvyāya vedhase navīyase sumajjānaye...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    Rig Veda 1.154.1-6:

    viṣṇornu kaṃ vīryāṇi pra vocaṃ yaḥ pārthivāni vimamerajāṃsi |
    yo askabhāyaduttaraṃ sadhasthaṃ vicakramāṇastredhorughāyaḥ ||
    pra tad viṣṇu stavate vīryeṇa mṛgho na bhīmaḥ...
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    Re: nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    Note that, for the purposes of this thread, I may also quote from less ideal translations that just happen to be available on the internet. I always recommend looking at the original Sanskrit...
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    tadviShNoH paramaM padam || (Rgveda 1.22.20, kaThopaniShad 3.9)
    (The highest is the abode of Vishnu)

    agnirvai devAnAmavamo viShNuH paramaH | tadantarA sarvA devatAH || (aitareya brAhmaNa 1.1)...
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    nArAyaNa in the veda-s

    Namaste,

    Inspired by a similar topic elsewhere, I have decided to post references from shruti identifying nArAyaNa as brahman aka paramAtmA aka the supreme Deity.

    A common line of attack used...
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