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    Re: Defining Hindu

    If some of your saliva drops out of your mouth while you speak is it burning a hole in the table? Just curious.
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    I am sorry that this may seem unacceptable to you but according to my worldview it is only after there is a temple built and after an artist has acquired the ability to fashion an image and then has...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    I did did not say any of this, i cannot endlessly defend myself against opinions i never expressed, all i said is that the Nambudiri today use manuals for their tantric pujas that date from the 10th....
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    I do not need to amend views or change opinions that i never expressed, the same goes of course for your assorted insults and accusations i do not have the time to spent and defend myself against all...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    Now that was a good one :) How about such stuff that you repeat as fact such as that literally a female bear can give birth to a human or was it the other way around? i donīt remember. Very little...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    You already drove that car against the wall, and failed, why try that route again? Do you think anything eventually becomes the truth only if we repeat it long enough, or are you interested in...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    Apparently you have no idea of the nambudiri keralese puja paddhatis their content, practises origin, neither do you know who composed them and at which dates they were composed, since these are...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    There is no need to give evidence for the obvious, you can of course argue that there was temple and murti worship at a time when there yet existed no temples, that samsara and reincarnation are...
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    Re: Reincarnation and Karma in the Veda Samahita

    I studied these subjects since i was about six years old in this life, it is therefore from 50 years of almost constant study and practice that is where i get "this stuff" from.
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    No you got me wrong, what i meant is in the ancient time when shrauta dharma was the sole vedic culture, at that time, several elements of modern hinduism were missing, because of that my proposal...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    They are also well versed in Siddhanta, Tantra and Mantravada, to be an expert in several branches of knowledge stemming from different periods of time where some aspects are contradictory, is not...
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    Re: Reincarnation and Karma in the Veda Samahita

    Thats a surprise i thought you agree with me as usual :)

    In Sanskrit there is no mention of papam or punyam but it properly says "according to its destination".

    sUryam cakshur gachatu vAtam...
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    Re: Reincarnation and Karma in the Veda Samahita

    It is clearly said in this sukta, where the person is destined to be going, and that several times:

    O Jātavedas, when thou hast matured him, then send him on his way unto the Fathers.
    2 When thou...
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    Re: Reincarnation and Karma in the Veda Samahita

    This as you can see is a description of the death and cremation process, and "merit" here means that each element must go to the correct cosmic element and not somewhere else, that is individual...
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    Re: Reincarnation and Karma in the Veda Samahita

    Of course after dissolving the elements of his impermanent body and leaving it behind, he gains another subtle body to go to pitris.... O Agni, to the Fathers send him....

    The sukta begins with...
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    Re: Reincarnation and Karma in the Veda Samahita

    This verse is about the body, life force and indriyas all the constituents of the body and mind, dissolving and returning to the associated elements after death, like earth, wind, water and so...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    I will try to look up some sources,spontaneously i donīt know any dates from memory. Yes it is absolutely fascinating, and truly amazing that these customs have been preserved for such a long time...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    You mean the custom and philosophy of early vedic community i.e. shrauta dharma? Rituals like Agnistoma, Somayagya, ashvamedha, Nirudhapashubandha, Nakshratreshti, Arunaketuka Yagya etc.

    No...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    There is absolutely no reference in vedas and not even in early upanishads to any of these elements I mentioned, if any person would find any of this it would be sensational, and it would change...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    We, (as hindus), were not yet existing in the olden days, i think no one here can imagine calling a religion Hinduism if it is lacking temples, places of pilgrimage, yantras, murtis, is without...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    The existence of several lokas is certainly present in the vedas, but the soul will go to the pitris or other subtle places, but not seek rebirth in a human body, the concept of rebirth in a human...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    It depends on the sect, influence of the vedic community is certainly more pronounced in the Vaishnava sampradayas and almost not present for instance in tantric kaula Sampradaya, but both sects in...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    You promised me to execute some self control in the future and not again derail a thread.
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    Certainly this assimilation is exactly what makes Hinduism a syncretic religion.
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    There is a difference betwen a colonial power trying to rule over a country and academics that are mereley interested in researching a subject.
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    The problem is that modern Hinduism is not at all vedic, vedic religion had no murtis, vedic religions had no temples, vedic religion had no upachara offerings solely offerings in the fire, it had a...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    Accuse me of whatever you wish, but it is first of all my viewpoint, if western indologists agree with it so much the better, i have no qualms with the academia.

    At least it is consistent with my...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    Calling all non-muslim, indigenous religions by the name Hinduism might have been the use at an earlier time, nowadays i think the term implies some influence of the vedic community otherwise there...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    If that is your position i fully agree with it, it seemed to me that you expect prominence of vedic thought rather than merely loose alliance, while the majority of the practices and philosophy can...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    Most people in this forum apparently are not convinced of your sectarian viewpoints either, and you are still posting here, so it seems to have the majority vote is not a necessary prerequiste to be...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    I would propose that Hinduism had a beginning at a time much later than IVC, and that this could be not prior to the spread of the vedic community over larger parts of the subcontinent.

    Though i...
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    Yes-that all changes with the circumstances, there were times when Siddhanta was the majority belief and Hindu Kingdoms stretched into Indonesia, with lots of foreigners becoming acharyas, these...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    You can try your best to not derail the thread, i cannot estimate if you have enough of the required self control for that. I donīt know you good enough to be certain :)
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    Re: Defining Hindu

    All these definitions do not really work, buddhism usually is excluded from being accepted as a valid darshana except that there are exceptions for instance in Shri Kula tantra one of the several ...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    But that was part of an organised smear campaign coming from self declared defenders of "true Hinduism", and we have heard insults such as the like of "filthy jewish bitch" etc. and worse here on...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    One might not agree with Wendy Doninger in all points and her freudian approach is unusual and strange, but i browsed through some pages of her newest book alternate history of India , and it...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    I fully agree and i also mentioned exactly the same thing already.
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    But you know that Rajiv Malhotra is a close disciple of the vile Swami Nithyananda and has taken pains to defend him against the anti hindu conspiracy and faked videos etc.? I also used to like some...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    When there is lots of evidence it is not a conspiracy theory. But to accuse others of being anti-hindus conspiring against India and true Hinduism, just because they happen to disagree with your and...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    This is nonsense, these people have problems because plain and simple they are Nutjobs that are known to be constantly harressing innocent people.
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    Yes i agree with you, as i do with most of what you write, just there is always a tiny but..... because.... people like Ramakrishna and Vivekananda and others like the founder of Brahmo samaj, Ram...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    We actually find both arguments misused by neos, for instance Manus Smriti was dug up and promoted and propagated and pushed by the british and their vedantic sepoys and instituted as a law book...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    Not necessarily, but putting written scriptures on a pedestal, without thinking twice, as if a holy book similarly to the likes of the Quran or Bible is containing absolute truth, instead of the...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    What does real mean to you? Does it means that we have to belive everything written is meant literally? That the world is flat and rests on the back of elephants, who in turn rest on a tortoise, or...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    Yes there is a conspiracy, a conspiracy of fanatical political motivated Neo Hindus and their supporters like Eelst and Subramaniam against decent people like Doninger and Wietzel that have been...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    if you think that traditional vedic communities agree with your Neo hindu interpretations of their tradition you are dead wrong.

    Most of the work of Staal and Wietzel and other indologists...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    No i am not generalising it is solely Neo Hindus with twisted and perverted political motivations that suffer from conspiracy theories, traditional Hindus especially from the vedic shrauta dharma,...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    You are incorrect, all shastras and all veda mantras contain a secret meaning the rahasyam which cnnot be understood without the guru sishya parampara.

    A few years ago i was in Kerala visiting the...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    Literalism of puranas, antiquity of the word Hindu are all typical Neo hindu viewpoints. neo Hindus cannot live without an imagined enemy the anti-Hindu, while traditional hindus do not share the...
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    Re: Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

    Yes and these evil anti hindus even teach us that day and night exist because of the movement of the earth around its axis, while while we know it from purana that it just vanishes behind Mount Meru,...
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