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    Re: Stages Leading to the Appearance of divine love

    (1) Shraddha – transcendental faith

    The Supreme Lord in His Krishna form says that one should renounce the worldly faith in any type of dharma:

    sarva-dharmān parityajya / mām ekaḿ śaraṇaḿ vraja
    ahaḿ tvāḿ sarva-pāpebhyo / mokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ
    (Bhagavad-gita 18.66)

    Renounce any kind of duties pertaining this world - sarva-dharmān parityajya,
    Take Me alone as your shelter - mām ekaḿ śaraṇaḿ vraja
    Don’t worry - mā śucaḥ
    I will deliver you - ahaḿ tvāḿ mokṣayiṣyāmi
    from all sinful reactions (to your deeds) - sarva-pāpebhyo

    Sri Krishna also says in Bhagavad-gita 4.39:

    śraddhāvān labhate jānaḿ
    tat-paraḥ saḿyatendriyaḥ
    jānaḿ labdhvā parāḿ śāntim
    acireṇādhigacchati

    A faithful person atains -śraddhā-vān labhate-
    knowledge about that transcendental -jānam tat-paraḥ
    and controles the senses -saḿyatendriyaḥ
    Having achieved transcendental knowledge -jānaḿ labdhvā
    he attains very soon transcendental peace -adhigacchati acireṇa parāḿ śāntim.

    The attainment of shanti - transcendental peace, is the attainment of of that shraddha that comes out from the association with jnani sadhus.
    If one associates with bhakti sadhus achieve not only shanti but also divine love -prema- for the All Attractive Lord, and transcendental service for Him - bhakti.

    Sri Krishna Caitanya says almost the same thing, but He speaks direct about bhakti in His instructing Snantan Gosvami, recorded in Caitanya-caritamrita (Madhya-lla 22.62):

    'śraddhā'-śabde — viśvāsa kahe sudṛḍha niścaya
    kṛṣṇe bhakti kaile sarva-karma kṛta haya

    The confidence said to be the firm certainty-viśvās kahe sudṛḍha niścaya
    (that) by performing bhakti unto Sri Krishna -kṛṣṇe bhakti kaile
    all ocupational duties -sarva-karma- (duties according varna-ashram dharma) will be fulfilled -kṛta haya-
    is called transcendental faith - śraddhā'-śabde

    The meaning is that one should not worry about one's dutie, because by simply performing bhagavat-bhakti, all one's duties will be accomplished and even more, one attains prema - divine love.
    tadetadAtAravilochanasri / sambhAvitASeza vinamragarvam
    muhur murArer madhurAdharoztham / mukhAmbujam chumbati mAnasam me

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    Re: Stages Leading to the Appearance of divine love

    Namaste Anadi,

    Thanks for the enlightenment provided here. Instead of plainly reading BG, these kind of segregating under different branches help one to appreciate the truth. However, can't understand clearly what are you trying say in the below mentioned statement.


    The Supreme Lord in His Krishna form says that one should renounce the worldly faith in any type of dharma:
    Anirudh...

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    Re: Stages Leading to the Appearance of divine love

    Namaste Anirudh.

    Perhaps you will find the answer in the following purport:
    http://vedabase.net/bg/18/66/en

    Pranama,
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    I aspire to have the darshan of the Lord

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    Re: Stages Leading to the Appearance of divine love

    hari o
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    namast

    Quote Originally Posted by anadi View Post
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    The Supreme Lord in His Krishna form says that one should renounce the worldly faith in any type of dharma:

    sarva-dharmān parityajya / mām ekaḿ śaraṇaḿ vraja
    ahaḿ tvāḿ sarva-pāpebhyo / mokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ
    (Bhagavad-gita 18.66)

    Renounce any kind of duties pertaining this world - sarva-dharmān parityajya,
    Take Me alone as your shelter - mām ekaḿ śaraṇaḿ vraja
    Dont worry - mā śucaḥ
    I will deliver you - ahaḿ tvāḿ mokṣayiṣyāmi
    from all sinful reactions (to your deeds) - sarva-pāpebhyo
    Note that this instruction comes in the 18th chapter... to begin here without fulfilling the instructions that are found in chapters 2,3,4,5 & 6 will leave one in a quandary ( at best).

    It would be wise to view the bhāgavad gītā as 6+6+6 chapters. If one is able to absorb and practice the 1st 6 chapters, all will be right with the world. Then we go to the next 6, and finally the remaining 6.

    iti śivaṁ
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: Stages Leading to the Appearance of divine love

    Quote Originally Posted by orlando View Post
    Namaste Anirudh.

    Perhaps you will find the answer in the following purport:
    http://vedabase.net/bg/18/66/en

    Pranama,
    Orlando.
    Thank you very much. I am elated to learn from a Krishna lover like you. May Shree Raama Chandra Prabhu be with you all the time.

    Anirudh...

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    Re: Stages Leading to the Appearance of divine love

    Quote Originally Posted by Anirudh View Post
    Namaste Anadi,
    However, can't understand clearly what are you trying say in the below mentioned statement.

    The Supreme Lord in His Krishna form says that one should renounce the worldly faith in any type of dharma:
    namaste anirudh,

    I wanted to say, that any dharma according one's social and sacral order, except para-dharma, implies more or less faith in the activities related to this world.

    Para-dharma is different:

    sa vai puḿsāḿ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje
    ahaituky apratihatā yayātmā suprasīdati
    Şrimad Bhagavatam (1.2.6)

    that which is certainly- sa vai
    the transcendental (the highest) prescribed duty for the human kind-paro dharma puḿsāḿ
    is the service for the Supreme Lord - bhaktir adhokṣaje
    which is without cause (being the intrinsic nature of the soul) – ahaituky
    uninterrupted (when manifested) - apratihatā
    by which the soul becomes extremely happy – yaya atmā supra-sīdati
    tadetadAtAravilochanasri / sambhAvitASeza vinamragarvam
    muhur murArer madhurAdharoztham / mukhAmbujam chumbati mAnasam me

    kRSNa karNamRtam 85

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    Re: Stages Leading to the Appearance of divine love

    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by anadi View Post

    TheSupreme Lord in His Krishna form says that one should renounce the worldlyfaith in any type of dharma:

    sarva-dharmān parityajya / mām ekaḿ śaraṇaḿ vraja
    ahaḿ tvāḿ sarva-pāpebhyo / mokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ

    (Bhagavad-gita18.66)

    Renounceany kind of duties pertaining this world - sarva-dharmānparityajya,
    Take Mealone as your shelter - mām ekaḿ śaraṇaḿ vraja
    Dontworry - mā śucaḥ
    I willdeliver you - ahaḿ tvāḿ mokṣayiṣyāmi
    from allsinful reactions (to your deeds) - sarva-pāpebhyo
    ~~~~~~

    namast

    Note that this instruction comes in the 18th chapter... to begin here withoutfulfilling the instructions that are found in chapters 2,3,4,5 & 6 willleave one in a quandary ( at best).

    It would be wise to view the bhāgavad gītā as 6+6+6 chapters. If one isable to absorb and practice the 1st 6 chapters, all will be right with theworld. Then we go to the next 6, and finally the remaining 6.

    itiśivaṁ

    Namaste yajvan,

    regarding the beginning you are right, but at the same time, we should also understand that not all come to bhakti
    with the same material and spiritual qualification, and have different speeds of bhajan.

    We should also not forget, that Bhagavad-gita ends where Bhakti starts sharanagati full surrender to Sri Krishna - sarva-dharmān parityajya ... :

    anukulyasya sańkalpapratikulyasya varjanam
    rakśiyatiti viśvaso gopttve varaa tatha
    atma-nikśepa-karpaye sad-vidha śaraagati
    tadetadAtAravilochanasri / sambhAvitASeza vinamragarvam
    muhur murArer madhurAdharoztham / mukhAmbujam chumbati mAnasam me

    kRSNa karNamRtam 85

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    Re: Stages Leading to the Appearance of divine love

    hariḥ oṁ
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    namast

    Quote Originally Posted by anadi View Post
    We should also not forget, that Bhagavad-gita ends where Bhakti starts –sharanagati – full surrender to Sri Krishna -
    Can you help me understand how full surrender can occur without one knowing their own Self ? Full means all of me, from self to Self.

    If you are of the opinion this is not the way, then help us ( me and the reader) understand what surrender means, other then a mood of the mind.

    iti śivaṁ
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: Stages Leading to the Appearance of divine love

    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
    hariḥ oṁ
    ~~~~~~

    Can you help me understand how full surrender can occur without one knowing their own Self ? Full means all of me, from self to Self.

    iti śivaṁ
    Namaste yajvan,

    you are right, without knowledge of the self, one cannot speak about full surrender.
    At the same time knowledge of the self is not bhakti.
    A prerequisite for bhakti is not bhakti. The impersonalists have also knowledge of the self.

    Bhagavad-gita ends where (Krishna) Bhakti starts –sharanagati – full surrender to Sri Krishna.
    Last edited by anadi; 04 January 2013 at 01:28 PM. Reason: grammar
    tadetadAtAravilochanasri / sambhAvitASeza vinamragarvam
    muhur murArer madhurAdharoztham / mukhAmbujam chumbati mAnasam me

    kRSNa karNamRtam 85

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    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
    hariḥ oṁ
    ~~~~~~

    namast


    Can you help me understand how full surrender can occur without one knowing their own Self ? Full means all of me, from self to Self.

    If you are of the opinion this is not the way, then help us ( me and the reader) understand what surrender means, other then a mood of the mind.

    iti śivaṁ
    Namaste Yajvanji,

    I hear what you are saying, however, Rupa Goswami says
    "Pure devotion is free from the taints of karma and jnAna" - in Bhakti RasAmRt Sindhu.

    Pure devotion is not 'karmaTH' or done for purification through karma,

    nor is it based on pure jnAna. It is love for love's sake.

    Hence, surrender in this case is

    SharaNAgati that might begin with a mood of the mind, yes, but is taken to a much greater height which makes involuntary changes in the bhakta, who is not using his/her own mind anymore but simply being a puppet of BhagvAn, acting on His Will and Instruction - yet maintains individuality.

    Otherwise pure jnAna (which typically leads to nirvikalpa samAdhi on the formless) would come in the way and be an obstacle to shuddha bhakti as taught by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and His goswami followers (pure devotion - in which samAdhi is of a different kind, or switches between one and the other).

    praNAm

    om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya ~
    || Shri KRshNArpaNamastu ||

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