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    Re: What was Gandhi's legacy?

    Namaste,


    October 2nd is Birth Date of Shree Lal Bahadur Shastri also. So I guess we need to remember him, 2nd Prime Minister of India.
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    Re: What was Gandhi's legacy?

    Namaste,

    Gandhi did lot of good for the country, but many of his ideas/thinking/policies were at odds with the Hindu nationalists. So, the legacy is a mixed bag. Whereas I respect him as a person and am grateful for many of his accomplishments; I fully embrace his assassin's p.o.v. also. It seems that the name Gandhi attracts assassins - Mohan Das, Indira and Rajiv, all Gandhis, were the only three high profile leaders gunned down/blown away in the history of independent India. Our simple minded electorate keep electing the political party aligned with Gandhi's ideology, even though the leaders have lost their moral bearings and have become thoroughly corrupt. His name still carries lot of weight among the masses, which is unfortunate because the people getting into power with his association have been destroying the nation from within.

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    I do not think anyone,pro or anti Congress,associates the congress with the Mahatma anymore or has done so after Nehru's death.

    Gandhiji was a great man and he made important contributiins to both India and the world,but he soes not deserve to be singularly idolized at the expense of other leaders, and nor is he deserving of all the hyperbole that surrounds him.He made several blunders like cancelling the Non cooperation movement and demanding concessions to pakistan at the time of partition.Nor is his personal life as squeaky clean as is commonly portrayed.
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    Namaste EM and all,

    My opinion is that people should read and have in depth knowledge on Gandhi if we are trying to make an opinion on him. Let's remember that Gandhi was a political leader and therefore, as it happens in politics, there are many political outfits who were and even today are against Gandhi. I have studied quite a good lot about him and I have to share this :

    a) Gandhi always believed that changes can be brought about by peaceful means. He also believed that to change the world, one has to change himself. He did exactly that. Before Gandhi such an experiment was almost unheard of. On his proposal to register protest, some hard core revolutionists had remarked : Even the English dogs won't be afraid of him !

    History tells us that his thoughts got him the full backing of common masses of India and that made the movement of Independence as common man's movement in India. People advocating violent means for independence were proved wrong. My father, who was a witness to the later part of Independence movement, used to tell us : Gandhi was worshipped by common people almost literally. People were ready to go to any length under his leadership. It was believed that he was another Avatar like Rama and Krishna.

    The hardliners could never got the support of the masses and that is why all their efforts failed to bring any big changes in India even when great souls like Bhagat Singh, Chandrasekhar Azad, Ashfaqullah Khan, Khudi Ram Bose, Ram Prasad Bismil etc. were sacrificed to this doctrine.

    b) The allegation that Gandhi encouraged Muslims propitiation is true to great extent. The reason was that Gandhi knew very well that a peaceful and prosperous India was possible only when people of all faiths would march together for the good of the country. The large population of Muslims couldn't have been wished away without a massive bloodshed and unthinkable destruction. The partition of India and the bloodshed witnessed after that proved this point beyond doubt.

    Moreover, where would have Indian Muslims go ? All their ancestors were born on the very land, India. Did they lose their rights on this country just be changing their faith ?

    Let me tell you all that this was the main point which irked the Hindutva promoting parties. Veer Sarvakar, Nathu Ram Godse etc. were promoters of this doctrine that "India is for the Hindus alone". They were against Gandhi as they felt that even after Independence, the rein of the country may not come into their hands.

    c) Who was behind that partition of India ? It is the greatest lie being spread and also being accepted to a great extent by today's young people who have not read about Gandhi in depth that it was Gandhi who was responsible for the partition of the country. Nothing can be farther than the truth. Gandhi was dead against partition and it was he who proposed that even if by making Jinnah the Prime Minister, partition can be avoided, it should be done. Naturally, this was not acceptable to many.

    There are many such lies against Gandhi and the worst part of it is that the young generation has started believing the lie as the Truth. If you keep telling the same lie a hundred times, it might be accept as the Truth and I can see that this what is happening in case of Gandhi. Today, it is almost impossible for anyone of us to follow his path ... it is really difficult. The sacrifices he made for this country is difficult to make for any ordinary person. He left the luxurious life of a Barrister and adopted the life of a common poor man of India. He could not care much for his children ... his family life was highly neglected. He didn't ask for any post of profit for himself even after independence. Throughout his life he wore only one dhoti as he saw that many Indians have not enough clothes to wear.

    So, emulating Gandhi is a very difficult proposition. But we can always bring him down to our level by maligning him and using disparaging remarks against him !

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    Quote Originally Posted by devotee View Post
    Moreover, where would have Indian Muslims go ? All their ancestors were born on the very land, India. Did they lose their rights on this country just be changing their faith ?
    It is not non-Mohammedans who point out the incompatibility between being a Mohammedan and a proud Indian at the same time. Mohammedans are taught to disrespect ANY nation by Mohammed himself and his Quran!

    O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust. [Qur'an 9:23, Shakir translation]

    O mankind! We have created you from a male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you with Allah is that (believer) who has piety. [Qur'an 49:13, Shakir translation]

    The Prophet (S) said: "Whosoever possesses in his heart 'asabiyyah (prejudice in any of its forms such as tribalism, racism, nationalism) even to the extent of a mustard seed, God will raise him on the Day of Resurrection with the (pagan) Beduins of the Jahiliyyah (the pre-Islamic era)." (al-Kafi)
    Also keep in mind that Mohammedans are perenially in a state of war with Kuffars. Their Quran prescribed duty is to convert Dar al harb (land of Kuffar) to Dar al Islam (land of prostrating Momins).

    I have been told on more than one occassion by Mohammedans themselves that in case of an outright war between Mohammedan majority nation and Kuffar majority nation, the Quran expects Mohammedans (regardless of nationality) to NOT kill other Mohammedans. Kuffars are to be killed first. Mohammedans do NOT respect the right to life of Kuffars.

    Islam is quite unlike anything that you have ever known, devoteeji.


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    Namaste WM,

    What you say is not incorrect. In fact, the only religion which is difficult for me to understand is Islam and the most difficult scripture to accept is Quran. I can't believe how God can allow such a scripture which openly justifies violence in the name of God.

    However, politically speaking, we don't have the luxury of choosing our neighbours and the countrymen that we live in with. This country has more than 12 Crore Muslims. Either we have to learn to live with them peacefully or be ready for destruction.

    We don't have a choice. We have to find ways to assimilate them to the mainstream by making them more and more literate which can make them see reason. ... and I don't agree with you that by becoming a Muslim one becomes anti-India. On the contrary, I have many examples including Captain Hamid of Indo-Pak war who sacrificed their lives for India. It is not fair to doubt on their integrity. That way we have many Jaichands within our Hindu community. I cannot advocate in favour of them just because they are Hindus.

    Anyway, this thread is for Gandhi and not for discussing Muslim's integrity etc.

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    So the genocidal Old Testament makes for easier reading than the Koran?Or even the new testament, for that matter?
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    Also,being Hindus,where does the question of you accepting or not accepting the koran or any other mleccha text as revealed literature come into the picture?All non-vedic texts must be automatically rejected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devotee View Post
    Either we have to learn to live with them peacefully or be ready for destruction.
    If I may, one way is to mercilessly mock Islam in the hope that Mohammedans realize the futility of believing in it. 72 virgins with Allah being a pimp, Allah sitting idle before creation, Allah loves sneezing but hates yawning, Mo showing his private parts to Abu Bakr, Mo getting some of his verses when he was snoozing on Ayesha's lap, Mo consummating his marriage with 9 year old Ayesha, Mo marrying his daughterinlaw, all of these are fair game! Keep in mind that nothing irritates a Mohammedan more than making fun of Mo. They can withstand an atheist who denies the existence of Allah, but they can kill if one so much as opens one's mouth against their beloved Mo. This should be exposed as idol worship and Mohammedans should be taught that there is hellfire waiting for them if they love Mo so much. That would go against Allah's words.

    Moderate Mohammedans have time and again proven that they are disinterested or incapable of controlling the extremists in their midst. Left to itself, Islam will not self-correct because it cannot. So, we - as concerned world citizens who would like to leave the world in a better shape than how we found it - are forced to take up the fight on their behalf.

    This is not an OP-derail because one of Gandhi's legacy is his ham-handed approach towards dealing with the Mohammedan problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omkara View Post
    So the genocidal Old Testament makes for easier reading than the Koran?Or even the new testament, for that matter?
    Definitely more readable, Koran is almost unreadable in totality with no sequence in chapter or verse coupled strange attempt to be poetic from an illiterate person. Bible scores much better in terms of readability but is of course still excruciatingly boring.
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