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    Re: The Wife is the Guru and the Deity of the Husband

    Quote Originally Posted by Sudarshan View Post
    Does this mean that if your wife is not having the powers wielded by these women, then she is not a pativrata?

    There is much more yogic to these esoteric stories than the power of chaste women. Nearly every woman who is made to undergo "agni-parixa" that Sita underwent will be reduced to ashes regardless of her pati-bhakti. That should warn us not to take these stories literally.
    Pativrata means more than just purity and chastity here. Sita, Draupadi, Gandhari, Sati etc have exhibitted devotion to husband to an extent that is impossible for the ladies of this yuga.

    In this yuga, neither will a man's wife agree to take up agni pariksha on his order nor will the man himself agree to forgo everything and take up exile on his mother's order. These were extreme adherence to dharma even in those yugas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sudarshan View Post
    Does this mean that if your wife is not having the powers wielded by these women, then she is not a pativrata?

    There is much more yogic to these esoteric stories than the power of chaste women. Nearly every woman who is made to undergo "agni-parixa" that Sita underwent will be reduced to ashes regardless of her pati-bhakti. That should warn us not to take these stories literally.
    What a bizarre statement. Are you trying to suggest that the moral of these stories is that women should immolate themselves in fire to prove their devotion to their husband? Seriously?
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    Vannakkam: Next Tuesday will be my 38th wedding anniversary. But I've never read a single Hindu scripture on the how to, when to, what to do in a marriage. Several people have commented to us how well we get along.

    It's pretty simple. Treat each other with respect, and listen.

    But I guess maybe I'd better start reading this stuff real soon, or divorce will surely be on the horizon.

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    Who is guru of Kali ma, who is diety of Saraswati, who is guru of Shakti.

    So odd that there are female personifications of god, where we are blatantly told to respect power that women can also have, and yet we are supposed to ignore this and say women are subordianet to men, NO NO NO, no reconciliation and that is the problem with these basic twists we get, NO reconciliation to basic primal points of powerful female forms of God!
    Gender equality is enshrined in Sanatan Dharma:

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogra View Post
    Who is guru of Kali ma, who is diety of Saraswati, who is guru of Shakti.

    So odd that there are female personifications of god, where we are blatantly told to respect power that women can also have, and yet we are supposed to ignore this and say women are subordianet to men, NO NO NO, no reconciliation and that is the problem with these basic twists we get, NO reconciliation to basic primal points of powerful female forms of God!
    Gender equality is enshrined in Sanatan Dharma:
    The subordination is more related to the age than the gender thing. Respect to the elderly has always run our stable Vedic society. If a wife devoutly obeyed her husband, then a son too devoutly obeyed his mother.

    If Sita obeyed Rama to extreme, then Rama too obeyed Kaikeyi to extreme. Even after what Kaikeyi had done, she was still a queen till the end. This general hierarchy and respect is a very sweet part of our Indian tradition. Respect aside, Rama and Sita used to play with and tease each other.

    In today's world where even a father has to fix an appointment to meet his son, how can anyone understand this sweet relationship?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogra View Post
    Agniveer is doing a great service. However, their rejection of everything central to the Hindu belief like Draupadi's five husbands, Rasa Leela, Agni pareeksha etc. is making them lose their credibility.

    This is unnecessary as close investigation of these incidents, which were very rare even in those ages, will actually indicate adherence to dharma at unimaginable heights.

    Here they say:

    "Please note that for ages, there was no printing press and publication house to publish authentic versions of any text. They used to be written by hand and memorized and spread across various schools and among scholars. So adulteration was easier"

    In fact they are quite wrong about this. In those ages, kashmir to kanyakumari was dense with sanskrit pundits whose main(often only) job/occupation/love was learning our scriptures. Even if someone as much as pronounces even one syllable wrongly he would become the laughing stock. The more one goes into the past, the more difficult scripture tampering becomes.

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    Agniveer is a crassly revisionist website, intended solely for Hindus who are ashamed of their culture and religion.

    They make all kinds of claims to the effect that Krishna never had 16,108 wives, that rasa-lila is symbolic only, that caste is not real, etc etc.
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    jignyAsu, Agniveer is indeed doing a great service, and no doubt they may get a few things wrong, but that does not make majority wrong.
    Think they have enlightened many, into aligning to scriptures, which is important.

    As regards women situation, they do not have to obey Husband if he misbehaves, and sometimes husband has to obey Wife, it depends on matters at hand, and who has better knowledge.
    http://www.ivarta.com/columns/OL_070503.htm
    Great saints like Swami Vivekananda have predicted that the 21st century will be the century of women. Women (and men!) can draw strength from our great Vedic traditions to ensure that women get their rightful place in society.
    This beautifully lyrical sloka from the Atharvaveda clearly states that the woman leads the man: “The sun god follows the first illuminated and enlightened goddess Usha (dawn) in the same manner as men emulate and follow women.” Athravaveda Samhita, Part 2, Kanda 27, sukta 107, sloka 5705.
    Jai Mataji (note not jai papa ji)

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    Re: The Husband is the Guru and the Deity of the wife

    Quote Originally Posted by dogra View Post
    jignyAsu, Agniveer is indeed doing a great service, and no doubt they may get a few things wrong, but that does not make majority wrong.
    Agreed. And this is what makes me sad..otherwise they would have been perfect.

    Quote Originally Posted by dogra View Post
    As regards women situation, they do not have to obey Husband if he misbehaves, and sometimes husband has to obey Wife, it depends on matters at hand, and who has better knowledge.
    http://www.ivarta.com/columns/OL_070503.htm
    Tolerance and blind acceptance are two different things. Mandodari often tried to correct Ravana and so did Gandhari her husband. Forget this..even Sita questioned Rama on dharma!! Prahalad also tolerated his father Hiranyakashyapa and so this is not a gender thing.

    But what is absent in Hinduism is forsaking one's spouse (unless it is for a higher dharma). If Mandodari had to live with Ravana no matter what he was, then Bharata also had to live with Kaikeyi. Kashyapa had to live with Diti even after she plotted to kill his own son (through Aditi).

    This is tolerance and this is dharma. Rejecting this, divorce is on the increase. What is worse is those who have passed their criticism of the above are often those who change their ladies like they change their clothes.

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    Jai Mataji (note not jai papa ji)
    LOL, noted! In Srivaishnavam, we give more importance to Lakshmi than Vishnu Himself. Out of all the 12 Alwars saints, the lady Alwar is considered to be the greatest.

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