The Shame Capital.....

[Believer]

Namaste,

In the land of Saraswati, Parvati, Durga, Uma, Laxmi......

Have we come down to this level?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20753075
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20778668
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20774611
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20765364
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3201908.stm


Pranam.

[Twilightdance]

s

Namaste,

Have we come down to this level?

It would be just be a prejudice to assume that abuse of women is a new thing.

NCR has always been the worst place for women in India topped by only western UP and Haryana.

What is disturbing to me is the apathy of the administration. The extreme brutality combined with a middle class educated victim [instead of a improvised village girl] has shaken up sleeping urban middle class of India who now suddenly feel they are not safe anymore. However, this whole year an unusually high frequency of such events have been happening brazenly without any action from administration in rural areas of Haryana. These incidents along with the Khap panchayet justice system really begs the question if India is at all a civilized nation?

When govt is incapable of doing anything sensible and concrete to protect women of the country, only option left is that the citizens prepare to protect themselves against such incidents. All women can carry pepper sprays which are very effective to my knowledge to stop this type of things escalating. One can even think of carrying illegal firearms if the locality is especially prone to violence against the weak. Spending sometime in jail would be infinitely better option than going through what happened to this paramedic student.

[Jodhaa]

s

All women can carry pepper sprays which are very effective to my knowledge to stop this type of things escalating.

What? The problem with this is that it places the burden of responsibility on the woman. It makes it the woman's job to prevent her own rape so that in the minds of the populace if "she didn't have pepper spray she deserved it."

Sorry, but that doesn't fly. The problem won't go away with increased fire-arms and arming women. A single man is strong enough to overpower a woman, so how effective would a can of pepper spray be against four attackers anyway?

The problem of rape and sexual crimes has to do with an entire society believing that since it's inevitable, there's no point in doing anything about it. The problem is rampant in the US as well. There's even a phrase for it here, "Rape Culture" - which is a society that undermines it's own efforts to stop rape by encouraging shame in the victim, telling her if she says no she's a tease and a prude at the same time, and by raising boys to think they have some sort of right to a woman's body whenever they please.

Men and boys need to be re-educated, and women need to be encouraged to come forward, and society needs to stop blaming the victim.

It's a shame that this type of crime is still very alive and well all over the world.

Peace.

[Twilightdance]

What? The problem with this is that it places the burden of responsibility on the woman. It makes it the woman's job to prevent her own rape so that in the minds of the populace if "she didn't have pepper spray she deserved it."

Sorry, but that doesn't fly. The problem won't go away with increased fire-arms and arming women. A single man is strong enough to overpower a woman, so how effective would a can of pepper spray be against four attackers anyway?

The problem of rape and sexual crimes has to do with an entire society believing that since it's inevitable, there's no point in doing anything about it. The problem is rampant in the US as well. There's even a phrase for it here, "Rape Culture" - which is a society that undermines it's own efforts to stop rape by encouraging shame in the victim, telling her if she says no she's a tease and a prude at the same time, and by raising boys to think they have some sort of right to a woman's body whenever they please.

Men and boys need to be re-educated, and women need to be encouraged to come forward, and society needs to stop blaming the victim.

It's a shame that this type of crime is still very alive and well all over the world.

Peace.

Very good, go and change the mind set of the whole society. Best of luck.

[Arjuni]

Namast�,

Have we come down to this level?
Believer, consider this: this kind of violent assault has been perpetuated against women for many, many centuries; people have not "come down to this level" in modern times only. But nowadays such attacks are publicly reported upon, because the news is expected to draw attention (and even action, via protest), through a shared sense of outrage. So, though the crime itself continues to be a horror, I do take heart, a little, from the publication of actual articles about it - as opposed to just sweeping it under the rug and pretending it didn't happen.

All women can carry pepper sprays--
In India, women can. But pepper spray is illegal in many parts of the world, including my country, where using such spray on another person could stick me with a fine of hundreds of thousands of dollars and/or jail time, if it results in serious harm to that person.
Pepper spray also becomes ineffective the moment a woman's hands are grabbed.

[Twilightdance]

All women can carry pepper sprays--
Pepper spray also becomes ineffective the moment a woman's hands are grabbed.

It is better to have chance than having none at all. Recently in Bangalore a lady got into a small accident which flared up. Her being of north eastern origin made it worse. Guess what, with pepper spray she could effectively incapacitate 20 odd men who could have potentially assaulted her. So it seems it can work. This incident it is not known if the lady was in trouble or created all the trouble since a traffic police is also in her victim list.

[Twilightdance]

But pepper spray is illegal in many parts of the world, including my country, where using such spray on another person could stick me with a fine of hundreds of thousands of dollars and/or jail time, if it results in serious harm to that person.

Just down south of your country I gather one can shoot and kill teenagers and not even get arrested for standing their ground.

I have been to Switzerland, and I can understand that why I would not be bothered about spray. If administration is that effective, nothing is needed. Not sure if Canada falls in the same league.

[Believer]

Namaste,

Talking about other countries/places is a mere distraction. The issue is why does it happen in the land where women are supposed to be worshiped. Why has our moral compass gone so haywire? How can we claim Hinduism's superiority when it too produces animals?

Pranam.

[Viraja]

I would like to take this opportunity to express my deepest sympathies to the affected girl. I hope she stays alive and good. Like Believer, I wonder on a similar note, not on Hinduism, but on Police... I wonder if police around the world have no role to play in crime prevention.

[Twilightdance]

I would like to take this opportunity to express my deepest sympathies to the affected girl. I hope she stays alive and good. Like Believer, I wonder on a similar note, not on Hinduism, but on Police... I wonder if police around the world have no role to play in crime prevention.

Delhi Police is over stressed with providing protection to vip's & vvip's at taxpayer cost. Even an ordinary breaurocrat most likely receives more security than heads of states in some other civilizied nations. So it is not practical to blame just the police where every tom dick or harry chair hugger wants and gets a convoy of protection for going to a shopping mall.

But this is not about hinduism but current indian culture which is not entirely driven by hinduism.