That just means the Lord applies Dharma even to Himself(even though He Himself is the Upholder and Perfect Disseminator of it). That just shows how much this Being values this principle of existence. If He is willing to make even Himself an example. He didn't have to do it. He automatically is the Best Disseminator of Justice and He does not have to follow because "whatever He does, is just whatever He does, and nobody can have any say regarding that, it's all His right as the Master of all". Truly His Reign is Unquestionable. But He values us thinking I believe. That's why he gave us a brain and conscience. I think the perfect bhakta is one that "simply just follows the mandates" but that would seperate such a bhakta from one who tries to exert himself in knowing all that he does, so he can appreciate such mandates. We appreciate religious things in many ways. Thinking and arriving to conclusions(on our own - not really though) is the remarkable thing. Because the right type of thinking will ultimately lead to what God expects. And when we arrive and realize(and its the same as what God expects) its a spiritual feeling.
I think I may have been influenced by what other people said? But I think this is the best position.
Last edited by Kumar_Das; 28 January 2013 at 06:43 PM.
He was also a politician in that avatara(as reminded to me by satay)... but yet He was subjected to the consequence of His actions as per Dharma... that seperates Him from everybody else... (it is not that the Lord is powerless to the Universal Principle of Dharma, rather it is the Lord Who Perfectly Administers it)
please politicians in reality never allow themselves to be punished for their transgressions...
This Being is the Greatest... yet He chose to be example for Dharma(of all existent beings...) that is(also) why He is the Most Adorable Lord...
I worship my Master anyways... But He lets me know that He is the Most Just Master... all the more to want to love Him and sacrifice everything for His sake...
Last edited by Kumar_Das; 28 January 2013 at 07:02 PM.
Btw do people think that when I accept that I'm a slave to the Lord, I am lowering myself and have no dignity?
What do you call a Being Who Creates you, and Dominates you in everyway(reality) and even in ways you don't know of(hidden/unknown) and is the Controller of All/Supreme Controller(Isvara)?
He is God.
What are you if you are completely powerless to a Being?
Hence Master(Him) ~ Slave(Us).
Reality is reality. Doesn't matter whether you like it or not...
Last edited by Kumar_Das; 29 January 2013 at 08:49 AM. Reason: nothing more worse than a slave with a superiority complex
Brahamnaspati is a realm constituted by Brahman, Rudra, and Daksha; a realm identified with "Moksha" of post Vedic traditions. Superimposing a hierarchy (of whichever kind) or even some equivalence among these three is not only inappropriate but even dangerous.
Moreover, Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu are "Composite Gods" corresponding to the above three; for instance, Shiva is a "Column" consisting of all gods of other realms (Prithivi, Dyo, Antariksha) plus Rudra at the "Top".
Lastly, "Narayana" means "God Incarnate", a definition for Vishnu, the Composite God who incarnates as variuos Gods of his Column.
Shiva, on the other hand, doesn't "need" incarnations; no sophisticated theories or philosophies, either. Simple family dramas of his are good enough for his devotees.
Dear Philosoraptor, though, I think you are right, in overall manner, in your views on this matter. See this, too, if interested.. http://kalicharanveda.wordpress.com/...s-of-one-veda/
Namaste
The only thing that seems immortal is the our never ending (mortal) tendency to selectively use sacred texts to put one of the Devas or Devi as greater than the other, as immortal while others are born or less. This seems to have gone on for eternity.
Which means to me, the Devas and Devi are immortal. Because this has gone on forever, and will go on forever, which means they all must have been forever.
Om Namah Sivaya (which is immortal)
Last edited by ShivaFan; 30 January 2013 at 12:11 AM.
Pranams
Let us put it this way, if the Vedas are eternal (I doubt anyone here who is Hindu would argue otherwise) then the Devas that are worshiped within it must be eternal. Well that's my take on it
Om Shanno mitrah Sham Varunah Shanno bhavatvaryamaa Sanna indro bruhaspathih Shanno Vishnururukramah Namo brahmane Namasthe Vaayo Tvameva Pratyaksham Brahmaasi Tvameva Pratyaksham brahma vadishyaami Rutham vadishyaami Satyam vadishyaami Thanmaavavathu Tadvakthaaramavathu Avathumaam avathu vakthaaram Om ...
Jai Shree Krishna
Rig Veda list only 33 devas, they are all propitiated, worthy off our worship, all other names of gods are derivative from this 33 originals,
Bhagvat Gita; Shree Krishna says Chapter 3.11 devan bhavayatanena te deva bhavayantu vah parasparam bhavayantah sreyah param avapsyatha Chapter 17.4 yajante sattvika devan yaksa-raksamsi rajasah pretan bhuta-ganams canye yajante tamasa janah
The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.
Namaste and pranams. I just noticed this post and this is exactly how I see things.
When both Lord Brahma and Lord Daksha tried to assert their superiority, they both were beheaded by Lord Rudra.....but they didn't die!
Jai Kal Bhairava!
Jai Veerabhadra!
To the other matter:
Paramatman/Brahman = Mahashiva/Sadashiva/Rudra/Nataraja.
Shiv Shankar = Kailashpati/Umapati/Pashupati - His Divine Leelas are too inconsistent to try and even work out but amusing nonetheless, yet I love, respect and worship Him all the same.
Aum Namah Shivaya.
Last edited by Necromancer; 30 January 2013 at 05:28 AM.
The devas are eternal in as much as there is always an Indra, always an Agni, always a Vayu, etc. However, the being who occupies each post changes from one manvantara to another, as spelled out in the Puranas.
Philosoraptor
"Wise men speak because they have something to say. Fools speak because they have to say something." - Plato
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