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    Re: Are gods mortal in Hinduism?

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    Welcome to the forum.

    Why not introduce yourself, sit down, have a cup of tea, familiarize yourself with your surroundings, read so many interesting posts in the forum and then ask questions. What is the big rush? Just chill! We will all be here tomorrow also to handle any trivia that comes along.

    Pranam.
    Thanks, I wasn't expecting such a warm welcome.

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    Re: Are gods mortal in Hinduism?

    Namaste. Gods can do whatever they please according to their Leela because, they are Gods and that's what they do; 'God things we can't understand'.

    Avatars can be either 'mortal' or 'immortal' according to whatever Karma they impose upon themselves, being beyond that state.

    If I recall correctly, Lord Krishna was 'killed' by an arrow piercing the sole of his foot by a hunter, thinking they were the ears of a deer. We can only say that it was meant to happen like that from the beginning because Lord Vishnu willed it.

    Some Divine forms appear to die a 'mortal death' and some do not. It all depends on the Avatar and situation. Some go into 'heaven' in full auspicious form...others die in human form and go there.....

    Over all though, the Trimurti (Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha) are immortal, but anything else, I am unsure about.

    It all depends on what they want to be, I guess.

    Aum Namah Shivaya
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    Re: Are gods mortal in Hinduism?

    Namaste Necromancer,

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer View Post
    If I recall correctly, Lord Krishna was 'killed' by an arrow piercing the sole of his foot by a hunter, thinking they were the ears of a deer. We can only say that it was meant to happen like that from the beginning because Lord Vishnu willed it.
    Nice to remind this story to us. Lord Krishna, who took birth with 16 kalas (i.e. 100 % of God qualities) of Ishvara (RAmA is said to have only 12 kalas of Ishvara), accepted the curse of GAndhAri and that is what caused His death in this manner. Learning that it was all Sri Krishna's clever moves which caused the death of all her sons, she was infuriated and cursed Lord Krishna, "You behaved like a Pashu (animal) in killing my sons and therefore, you may also be killed like a pashu (animal)".

    Yes, LeelA of God cannot be understood by this human mind.

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    Hari Om. Thank you for 'filling in the blanks' and reminding me. It has been a very long time, but I remember that story now....and a very sad one it is, too.

    I don't think it was 'nice' to remind anybody, but I meant nothing by it. I have been on the 'other side of this fence'. It feels really nice over there too.

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    Re: Are gods mortal in Hinduism?

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    Are devas, like Indra, mortal in Hinduism? I read how an Indra is supposed to die and another one would take his place, and the demon king Bali asked Vishnu if he could be the next Indra in his next life. And in the Mahabharata, a rishi tells Drupada, the father of Draupadi, that the Pandavas all were incarnations of Indra in their past lives from different millenium.
    So, in Hinduism, are gods capable of dying and being reborn in the lower worlds?
    Devas like Indra, Agni, Vaayu, Suurya, etc are actually mortal beings. They are described in the shruti as being created by, and subordinate to, Brahman (God). The Bhaagavata Puraana mentions that these are posts which change in every manvantara. In other words, there is always an Indra, an Agni, a Vaayu, etc but who occupies those positions is different from one manvantara to another.

    It is also mentioned that the time scale for the devas is different compared to human beings. From our frame of reference, devas are long-lived and are immortal only in a figurative sense.
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    Re: Are gods mortal in Hinduism?

    Vanakkam,

    Quote Originally Posted by philosoraptor View Post
    Devas like Indra, Agni, Vaayu, Suurya, etc are actually mortal beings. They are described in the shruti as being created by, and subordinate to, Brahman (God). The Bhaagavata Puraana mentions that these are posts which change in every manvantara. In other words, there is always an Indra, an Agni, a Vaayu, etc but who occupies those positions is different from one manvantara to another.

    It is also mentioned that the time scale for the devas is different compared to human beings. From our frame of reference, devas are long-lived and are immortal only in a figurative sense.
    Does Navgrahas fall in this category ? :0

    Thank you

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    ~Aum Namah Shivaya~

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    Re: Are gods mortal in Hinduism?

    Quote Originally Posted by philosoraptor View Post
    Devas like Indra, Agni, Vaayu, Suurya, etc are actually mortal beings. They are described in the shruti as being created by, and subordinate to, Brahman (God). The Bhaagavata Puraana mentions that these are posts which change in every manvantara. In other words, there is always an Indra, an Agni, a Vaayu, etc but who occupies those positions is different from one manvantara to another.

    It is also mentioned that the time scale for the devas is different compared to human beings. From our frame of reference, devas are long-lived and are immortal only in a figurative sense.
    Interestingly enough, Jains and Buddhist believe the same.

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    Re: Are gods mortal in Hinduism?

    Quote Originally Posted by McKitty View Post
    Vanakkam,



    Does Navgrahas fall in this category ? :0

    Thank you

    Aum Namah Shivaya
    Pranams,

    I believe so, but I don't have an explicit reference one way or another. That is to say, I'm certain they are jivas, but I'm not as certain whether they are also considered "posts" or if they remain the same throughout the manvantaras.

    regards,
    Philosoraptor

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    Re: Are gods mortal in Hinduism?

    So Brahma is mortal in Hinduism? What about Vishnu, Shiva, and Shakti? Do they die as well?

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    Re: Are gods mortal in Hinduism?

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    So Brahma is mortal in Hinduism? What about Vishnu, Shiva, and Shakti? Do they die as well?
    Brahma is mortal. His lifespan extends for the duration of the universe, and when it is destroyed, he attains liberation. Shiva is a mind-born son of Brahma according to the Bhaagavatam and the Vishnu Puraanas. I don't know of anything specific regarding his life-span, but most Vaishnavas consider him a jIva, the exception being some North Indian traditions about whom we are having a discussion elsewhere. The position of Shakti is a little less clear, since she is identified in some traditions as the personified energy of the Lord. I believe most would again identify her as a nitya-siddha.

    Vishnu is identified with brahman aka nArAyaNa and as such, He is eternal, the highest truth, and supreme person from whom everything else originates and into Whom everything else is absorbed.
    Philosoraptor

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